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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2017 17:19:14 GMT
UEFA coefficient points on the line as Man United and Leicester become the last two clubs flying the flag for England.
Although, it might actually do English football a favour if we did lose a CL place, then the Premier League and FA might actually address the heavy fixture burden and lack of winter break in this country.
Should be a comfortable win for the home team as Zlatan returns, but the tie is still in the balance and anything can happen in these European ties as we've seen.
Prediction: 3-0 United.
But does anyone care?
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Post by mandragora on Mar 16, 2017 17:24:44 GMT
As of 2018/19, four CL spots are guaranteed to the top four leagues. So no more worries about the coefficients. France is too far behind to endanger even Italy.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2017 17:33:54 GMT
As of 2018/19, four CL spots are guaranteed to the top four leagues. So no more worries about the coefficients. France is too far behind to endanger even Italy. True, but it might become an issue further down the line if we don't step up our game soon. It is looking like it will be another dismal year, I don't expect Leicester to go much further, and United, who knows?
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Post by bluerisk on Mar 16, 2017 18:15:08 GMT
As of 2018/19, four CL spots are guaranteed to the top four leagues. So no more worries about the coefficients. France is too far behind to endanger even Italy. Bastards. If Germany was 4th there would be no reform in ages, but a soon as the English are in danger...
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Post by mandragora on Mar 16, 2017 18:18:41 GMT
I read it was the Milan clubs who pushed for the reform specifically.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2017 18:37:46 GMT
I'd care if they won it but in general, this competition is abysmal and needs scrapping. Just invent a Champions League v2.0 or expand it to 64 teams.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2017 18:43:01 GMT
No one actually believes that UEFA (or FIFA for that matter) actually favours English clubs?
We've been screwed over and over again since the 1980s, and that's just in my lifetime.
Look at what they did to avoid a 2nd all English final in 2 years.
Exhibit A
The list of injustices against the English are endless.
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Post by mandragora on Mar 16, 2017 18:46:40 GMT
This time your teams aren't playing each other. Unlike Schalke and Gladbach tonight.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2017 18:56:02 GMT
This time your teams aren't playing each other. Unlike Schalke and Gladbach tonight. Would have been a bit difficult for our teams to meet!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2017 21:36:10 GMT
Been like watching paint dry this, Pogba looks like he's done his hamstring in, but Mata puts United in the lead to settle their nerves. Still though, a goal from Rostov and this is going to extra time.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2017 21:36:29 GMT
Finally. Not that it matters.
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Post by bluerisk on Mar 16, 2017 22:44:34 GMT
No one actually believes that UEFA (or FIFA for that matter) actually favours English clubs? We've been screwed over and over again since the 1980s, and that's just in my lifetime. Look at what they did to avoid a 2nd all English final in 2 years. As a Kraut, I do.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2017 23:26:57 GMT
No one actually believes that UEFA (or FIFA for that matter) actually favours English clubs? We've been screwed over and over again since the 1980s, and that's just in my lifetime. Look at what they did to avoid a 2nd all English final in 2 years. As a Kraut, I do. How can you believe that? 1985 UEFA bans EVERY English club from European football for 5 years! 1986 The referee allows Maradona's handball goal to count, the whole world sees he punches it in with his hand, the whole world except the referee... sending England out the WC 1990 The referee books Gazza in the semi finals of the WC leaving him in tears as he's suspended for the final leaving team morale in tatters 1993 In one of the penultimate qualifying games for WC94, the referee fails to send off Ronald Koeman for the most obvious professional foul you will ever see in your life when David Platt is clean through on goal. To add injury to insult, Koeman goes up the other end to score a freekick (which the ref gave him two chances to score after he fluffed his first attempt). England go out as a result. 1998 The referee sends off Beckham after he tapped Diego Simeone. To make matters worse in extra time the referee disallows a perfectly good goal from Sol Campbell for reasons that to this day remain a complete mystery. England exit the WC 2006 Referee sends off Rooney when he accidentally stood on a Portugese player who was behind him. England surprise, surprise go home 2010 Referee disallows Frank Lampard's goal which crossed the line by about a kilometre against Germany. England go out as a result. That's just off the top of my head. If you can find me another nation that has been screwed over more, I'd love to hear it.
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Post by Carl LaFong on Mar 17, 2017 1:20:40 GMT
Anyone watch the Europa League highlights on ITV on Thursday night?
Roy Keane and Glen Hoddle absolutely eviscerated Mourinho. Keane said he'd never heard as much rubbish in his life (JM mewling about fixture congestion) and wondered if the club was too big for him!
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Post by mandragora on Mar 17, 2017 7:47:26 GMT
England didn't go out of the 2010 World Cup as a result of the Lampard goal. You lost 1-4.
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Post by Excellent Bulletproof Vest on Mar 17, 2017 9:21:34 GMT
Most countries and clubs have conspiracy theories about how the authorities are against them. You don't know any other country who's been on the wrong end of decisions because when Italy get a goal wrongly disallowed or have a player wrongly sent off you've forgotten about it within a year, when a player scores with his hand against England people are crying about it for the next thirty fucking years.
The idea of the country that has with a seat on IFAB is somehow victimised by world football is ludicrous. There is no country in football more powerful than England.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2017 9:42:09 GMT
England didn't go out of the 2010 World Cup as a result of the Lampard goal. You lost 1-4. No, football doesn't work like that, if that goal counts, which the whole stadium saw it cross the line, the game goes 2-2 and Deutschland are now on the backfoot. It is a massive, massive handicap when teams are allowed to foul your players in the box at will, goals are being ruled out for no reason, and referees are giving the opposition goals when they punch the ball in with their bloody hand! I don't know, I don't think it is a conspiracy as such, I just think in the heat of the moment, for one reason or another most foreign referees just don't like the English and are more willing to give the opposition the benefit of the doubt. I mean just tell me one country that has been on the wrong end of just the Maradona handball decision and the Frank Lampard goal. Decisions that bad going against them? I can barely remember us ever getting a break! The closest was a dodgy penalty awarded to Liverpool in the 2005 CL final, and even then, that was a club game and I think they were 2 or 3 goals down at the time so the ref probably felt sorry for them and didn't think it would matter.
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Post by mandragora on Mar 17, 2017 9:55:00 GMT
England didn't go out of the 2010 World Cup as a result of the Lampard goal. You lost 1-4. No, football doesn't work like that, if that goal counts, which the whole stadium saw it cross the line, the game goes 2-2 and Deutschland are now on the backfoot. Well, it doesn't work like that either. It could have changed the game; maybe England would have come back, maybe not. "2010 Referee disallows Frank Lampard's goal which crossed the line by about a kilometre against Germany. England go out as a result." - You make it sound like England was denied the winning goal in the 92nd minute. It happened in the 38th minute, and it was an equalizer. To say that England would have advanced if not for the disallowed goal is pure speculation. Anything could have happened with more than a halftime to play. And England had more than enough time left to equalize if they were the better team. Besides it made good for the injustice of Wembley 1966, if anything.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2017 10:27:31 GMT
Anyone watch the Europa League highlights on ITV on Thursday night? Roy Keane and Glen Hoddle absolutely eviscerated Mourinho. Keane said he'd never heard as much rubbish in his life (JM mewling about fixture congestion) and wondered if the club was too big for him! No, I've seen part of it on youtube now. Funny. I agree with Glen 'you must have done something bad in a previous life' Hoddle to an extent. As a manager, I think you really want to be using positive language, and not be giving your players or staff a reason to fail. The guys on BT were suggesting Jose was saying it to create that 'siege mentality' although I think Michael Owen also said he's talking rubbish. Let's take one more look at that sensational interview: And Mangora, the TV replays were inconclusive regarding the 66 goal. We can argue about that one till the cows come home, so on that one, we just have to accept the officials got it right that day.
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Post by mandragora on Mar 17, 2017 10:33:20 GMT
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