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Post by Aj_June on May 24, 2018 14:41:39 GMT
In season 6 when Bran and Meera were escaping from the cave it looked as if Meera found a special sword in the cave (that she managed to escape with). Many people had then predicted that that sword could be Dark Sister. One of the two ancestral swords of house Targaryen and was famously wielded by Queen Visenya Targaryen. Meera was still carrying the sword she had found in season 7 but they didn't give any prominence to it. Also, it was rumoured that Arya will get it but Arya already got a Valyrian steel dagger from Bran. Also, I have no idea why they decided to permanently finish off Meera's presence in the show. That certainly was totally dislikeable move. Or are they bluffing us? If not then it seems sometimes they deliberately do things to create confusion among fans.
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Post by jon snow loves sansa on May 24, 2018 23:49:34 GMT
In season 6 when Bran and Meera were escaping from the cave it looked as if Meera found a special sword in the cave (that she managed to escape with). Many people had then predicted that that sword could be Dark Sister. One of the two ancestral swords of house Targaryen and was famously wielded by Queen Visenya Targaryen. Meera was still carrying the sword she had found in season 7 but they didn't give any prominence to it. Also, it was rumoured that Arya will get it but Arya already got a Valyrian steel dagger from Bran. Also, I have no idea why they decided to permanently finish off Meera's presence in the show. That certainly was totally dislikeable move. Or are they bluffing us? If not then it seems sometimes they deliberately do things to create confusion among fans. Meera was so important to bran I really disliked how bran dismissed her so coldly meera was right brandon died in that cave sadly I think that's it for her , don't think we will see her again , i believe her father was going to play a big role knowing ned and brining home a baby Jon snow but I guess they don't need him anymore for that since Sam and bran figured it out I guess they are getting rid off supporting characters since story is ending |
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Post by Aj_June on May 25, 2018 4:37:52 GMT
In season 6 when Bran and Meera were escaping from the cave it looked as if Meera found a special sword in the cave (that she managed to escape with). Many people had then predicted that that sword could be Dark Sister. One of the two ancestral swords of house Targaryen and was famously wielded by Queen Visenya Targaryen. Meera was still carrying the sword she had found in season 7 but they didn't give any prominence to it. Also, it was rumoured that Arya will get it but Arya already got a Valyrian steel dagger from Bran. Also, I have no idea why they decided to permanently finish off Meera's presence in the show. That certainly was totally dislikeable move. Or are they bluffing us? If not then it seems sometimes they deliberately do things to create confusion among fans. Meera was so important to bran I really disliked how bran dismissed her so coldly meera was right brandon died in that cave sadly I think that's it for her , don't think we will see her again , i believe her father was going to play a big role knowing ned and brining home a baby Jon snow but I guess they don't need him anymore for that since Sam and bran figured it out I guess they are getting rid off supporting characters since story is ending I cannot agree more, Jonsa. Meera was so faithful to Bran and he just left her. people say Bran is changed now. But Bran was there to take interest in execution of Littlefinger. So if he can care for his family matter then why not for Meera? They should have kept her but I agree with you that it seems it's curtains for her. |
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Post by Leo of Red Keep on May 25, 2018 5:28:12 GMT
I cannot agree more, Jonsa. Meera was so faithful to Bran and he just left her. people say Bran is changed now. But Bran was there to take interest in execution of Littlefinger. So if he can care for his family matter then why not for Meera? They should have kept her but I agree with you that it seems it's curtains for her. That's a GoT-style happy ending. She won't get killed. |
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Post by Aj_June on May 25, 2018 13:20:18 GMT
I cannot agree more, Jonsa. Meera was so faithful to Bran and he just left her. people say Bran is changed now. But Bran was there to take interest in execution of Littlefinger. So if he can care for his family matter then why not for Meera? They should have kept her but I agree with you that it seems it's curtains for her. That's a GoT-style happy ending. She won't get killed. I hope they don't do such a stuff with any of major characters or put us in dilemma regarding fates of main characters. But on rethinking I am not much against doing that. It will give us more to talk about in future. |
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Post by Aj_June on Mar 16, 2019 13:40:32 GMT
I cannot agree more, Jonsa. Meera was so faithful to Bran and he just left her. people say Bran is changed now. But Bran was there to take interest in execution of Littlefinger. So if he can care for his family matter then why not for Meera? They should have kept her but I agree with you that it seems it's curtains for her. That's a GoT-style happy ending. She won't get killed. So they will likely not cover her and we are to assume she survives unless there is bad new from The Neck?
I guess Meera is one of the characters that most of us can respect.
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Post by Leo of Red Keep on Mar 16, 2019 14:05:33 GMT
That's a GoT-style happy ending. She won't get killed. So they will likely not cover her and we are to assume she survives unless there is bad new from The Neck?
I guess Meera is one of the characters that most of us can respect.
You never know what twists the writers have in store. The Hound was left for dead, remember? There is a certain amount of "trolling", of writing deliberately made to get people to talk, like Sansa keeping information from Jon, and Dark Sister could have been a part of that, a pointless nod to book readers. Or it might end up having meaning. Who knows, we might see Jaqen again too, with an explanation of the Arya plot. I suppose this is what feeds the theory of Arya killing Daenerys as a tool of the Faceless Men, opposing the return of a Valyrian ruler. Meera, like Gilly, Sallador Saan, Missandei, Grey Worm, Bronn or Qyburn is one of those 3rd row characters without depth. They are one-sided, one-purpose without surprise, just doing what they are supposed to do all along.
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Post by Seto on Mar 17, 2019 9:09:14 GMT
I doubt D&D even know what 'Dark Sister' is.
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Post by Marendil on Mar 25, 2019 17:57:41 GMT
I doubt D&D even know what 'Dark Sister' is. I think they do, thus the insertion of little Easter eggs like this; another was the horn Sam found along with the dragonglass at the Fist of the First men.
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Post by Seto on Mar 26, 2019 0:09:57 GMT
I think they do, thus the insertion of little Easter eggs like this; another was the horn Sam found along with the dragonglass at the Fist of the First men. The horn found at The Fist of the First Men isn't an Easter egg. It's a major plot MacGuffin that the show included back when it was being relatively faithful to the source material. In later seasons D&D stopped caring, and largely forgot the books, and forgot a lot of what had happened in the show prior. Hence the horn vanished. You can believe in your Headcannon that the sword is Dark Sister if you like. But there isn't much evidence for it.
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Post by Marendil on Mar 26, 2019 0:33:18 GMT
I think they do, thus the insertion of little Easter eggs like this; another was the horn Sam found along with the dragonglass at the Fist of the First men. The horn found at The Fist of the First Men isn't an Easter egg. It's a major plot MacGuffin that the show included back when it was being relatively faithful to the source material. In later seasons D&D stopped caring, and largely forgot the books, and forgot a lot of what had happened in the show prior. Hence the horn vanished. You can believe in your Headcannon that the sword is Dark Sister if you like. But there isn't much evidence for it. We don't know that the Horn of Winter/Joramun does anything at all--or even exists--just that Mance Rayder thought so and had the Wildlings looking for it and pretended to find it by substituting a giant's horn.
I think they included that horn in the dragonglass pouch as an inside joke, if you prefer that terminology to Easter Egg, just as they suggested Dark Sister might have been with Bloodraven/Brynden Rivers--which makes sense if you think on it. They don't have time in the show to explain all these little details but they can wink at us once in a while with these little Easter Eggs/inside jokes.
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Post by Seto on Mar 26, 2019 0:49:14 GMT
We don't know that the Horn of Winter/Joramun does anything at all--or even exists--just that Mance Rayder thought so and had the Wildlings looking for it and pretended to find it by substituting a giant's horn.
I think they included that horn in the dragonglass pouch as an inside joke, if you prefer that terminology to Easter Egg, just as they suggested Dark Sister might have been with Bloodraven/Brynden Rivers--which makes sense if you think on it. They don't have time in the show to explain all these little details but they can wink at us once in a while with these little Easter Eggs/inside jokes.
That's the meaning of a MacGuffin. (Its why I linked it for you, in case you didn't know). An item that may have no meaning, but drives all the characters in their actions. The horn is very important to the characters in the books, and its inclusion in the show seemed to be leading to the same thing. But alas no. D&D decided to drop that plot thread. And it has nothing to do with time. They have all the time in the world, D&D have simply had enough and are super eager for this show to be finished.
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Post by Marendil on Mar 26, 2019 1:12:52 GMT
We don't know that the Horn of Winter/Joramun does anything at all--or even exists--just that Mance Rayder thought so and had the Wildlings looking for it and pretended to find it by substituting a giant's horn.
I think they included that horn in the dragonglass pouch as an inside joke, if you prefer that terminology to Easter Egg, just as they suggested Dark Sister might have been with Bloodraven/Brynden Rivers--which makes sense if you think on it. They don't have time in the show to explain all these little details but they can wink at us once in a while with these little Easter Eggs/inside jokes.
That's the meaning of a MacGuffin. (Its why I linked it for you, in case you didn't know). An item that may have no meaning, but drives all the characters in their actions. The horn is very important to the characters in the books, and its inclusion in the show seemed to be leading to the same thing. But alas no. D&D decided to drop that plot thread. And it has nothing to do with time. They have all the time in the world, D&D have simply had enough and are super eager for this show to be finished. My point being that if they know it ultimately doesn't bring down the Wall it's not that important in the final analysis, is it? There's no need to include it at all, except as an Easter Egg/inside joke, as there's no need to establish anything outside the Wildlings not wanting to be on the wrong side of the Wall now that the Scary Monsters are awake and slaughtering them wholesale.
There was never any plot thread regarding the Horn, just that little Easter Egg/inside joke. When you have to summarize thousand-plus page books in ten hours or so you most definitely don't have 'all the time in the world.'
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Post by Leo of Red Keep on Mar 26, 2019 5:41:58 GMT
But alas no. D&D decided to drop that plot thread. And it has nothing to do with time. They have all the time in the world, D&D have simply had enough and are super eager for this show to be finished. Book purists are idiots. All of them. Naive fools angry at the world not serving their petty little god. Art is a great thing but it takes a fool to see it as something to serve or to be faithful to and it takes a pitiful one to consider any of GRRM's output as such in the first place. Will you ever understand that your stupid ideals give it away for all to see?
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Post by Seto on Mar 26, 2019 12:57:06 GMT
My point being that if they know it ultimately doesn't bring down the Wall it's not that important in the final analysis, is it? There's no need to include it at all, except as an Easter Egg/inside joke, as there's no need to establish anything outside the Wildlings not wanting to be on the wrong side of the Wall now that the Scary Monsters are awake and slaughtering them wholesale.
There was never any plot thread regarding the Horn, just that little Easter Egg/inside joke. When you have to summarize thousand-plus page books in ten hours or so you most definitely don't have 'all the time in the world.'
I guess nothing I say will convince you otherwise. You see Meera picking up a random sword as a nod to Dark Sister, while I see it as nothing. You see Sam finding the Horn of Joramun, a major plot MacGuffin of the books as a mere Easter Egg, while I see it as setting up something with eventually no pay off. We interpret things differently, which is fine I guess.
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Post by Marendil on Apr 2, 2019 0:58:09 GMT
My point being that if they know it ultimately doesn't bring down the Wall it's not that important in the final analysis, is it? There's no need to include it at all, except as an Easter Egg/inside joke, as there's no need to establish anything outside the Wildlings not wanting to be on the wrong side of the Wall now that the Scary Monsters are awake and slaughtering them wholesale.
There was never any plot thread regarding the Horn, just that little Easter Egg/inside joke. When you have to summarize thousand-plus page books in ten hours or so you most definitely don't have 'all the time in the world.'
I guess nothing I say will convince you otherwise. You see Meera picking up a random sword as a nod to Dark Sister, while I see it as nothing. You see Sam finding the Horn of Joramun, a major plot MacGuffin of the books as a mere Easter Egg, while I see it as setting up something with eventually no pay off. We interpret things differently, which is fine I guess. Outside that one shot of the horn found with the Dragonglass what else caused you to think they were 'setting up something' in regards to that subplot in the books?
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Post by Seto on Apr 2, 2019 6:58:58 GMT
Outside that one shot of the horn found with the Dragonglass what else caused you to think they were 'setting up something' in regards to that subplot in the books?
I think that one scene is more than enough.
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Post by Leo of Red Keep on Apr 2, 2019 7:24:44 GMT
Outside that one shot of the horn found with the Dragonglass what else caused you to think they were 'setting up something' in regards to that subplot in the books?
I think that one scene is more than enough. Butt-hurt book fans will pick on anything they can find. Why don't people tell them to get the fuck out and go discuss their childish crap on some book-dedicated forum? I do. Horns are used to warn of the coming of foes. This is exposed in S2 and comes into play in its last scene, so mere signalling horns are as essential as weapons and therefore kept safe together. It takes some dumb book wankers to see it as anything more than that. Then they complain about their own fantasy "not having a pay off" and blame the writers. Pitiful.
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Post by Marendil on Apr 2, 2019 7:33:48 GMT
Outside that one shot of the horn found with the Dragonglass what else caused you to think they were 'setting up something' in regards to that subplot in the books?
I think that one scene is more than enough. And I think that sort of 'blink-and-you-miss-it' reference qualifies much more as an easter egg than 'setting something up.'
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Post by Leo of Red Keep on Apr 2, 2019 7:42:31 GMT
I think that one scene is more than enough. And I think that sort of 'blink-and-you-miss-it' reference qualifies much more as an easter egg than 'setting something up.'
It was not even an Easter egg, just a horn.
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