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Post by awhina on Mar 20, 2017 10:08:35 GMT
With two, maybe 3 exceptions all the males on this board are pro-abortion. Of the 5 women on this board 3 are pro-life and only 2 are pro-abortion. I can't accept your assertion. I have not seen anyone actually say they are pro abortion, that is your opinion. I have seen posters state that they are pro choice. Am I to assume that you take that as pro abortion? If so then you are wrong. Also a poster has posted New Zealand data which shows that most men are against the legality of abortion unless it is for the health of the mother. This is in contrast to the women. Yes of course "pro-choice" id pro-abortion. Pro-choice is a weasel word, as murder isn't a matter of "choice". He didn't give NZ figures, he gave UK ones after one of the two pro-abortion "ladies" claimed all she could find were US ones. I have just read an article about a crazy female who hates her own gender, a lunatic abortion campaigner called Wendy Savage who has called for sex-selection abortion to be made legal. I wonder what mental damage she has sustained?
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Post by OldSamVimes on Mar 20, 2017 10:15:32 GMT
I love watching you go on and on about abortion and gay rights. It's almost like you imagine someone gives a shit about your opinion. So cute. The obsolete relic from the past still thinks she's relevant!
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Post by chasallnut on Mar 20, 2017 10:15:43 GMT
I can't accept your assertion. I have not seen anyone actually say they are pro abortion, that is your opinion. I have seen posters state that they are pro choice. Am I to assume that you take that as pro abortion? If so then you are wrong. Also a poster has posted New Zealand data which shows that most men are against the legality of abortion unless it is for the health of the mother. This is in contrast to the women. Yes of course "pro-choice" id pro-abortion. Pro-choice is a weasel word, as murder isn't a matter of "choice". He didn't give NZ figures, he gave UK ones after one of the two pro-abortion "ladies" claimed all she could find were US ones. I have just read an article about a crazy female who hates her own gender, a lunatic abortion campaigner called Wendy Savage who has called for sex-selection abortion to be made legal. I wonder what mental damage she has sustained? No it isn't at all. Therefore you calling people pro-abortion is completely wrong. With regards to the figures, they were NZ ones. I have reposted them below. The working link to the poll is in the original posters post. In 2017, ALRANZ commissioned a national poll to measure New Zealanders’ attitudes towards abortion.
The results are just pretty much what we expected and we’re excited to share them with you now.
Executive Summary
Only 14% of adults correctly estimated that around one in four women have had an abortion. 37% thought the prevalence rate was under 20% while 19% thought it was over 30%
A majority of New Zealanders supported abortion being legal in all seven specific circumstances given to them.
The net level of support (those saying legal less those saying illegal for each circumstance was:
– Pregnant woman likely to die +72%
– Foetus has no chance of survival +70%
– Pregnant woman likely to be permanently harmed +70%
– Pregnancy is a result of rape +65%
– Pregnancy is a result of birth control failure +31%
– Pregnant mother can’t afford to have another child +27%
– Pregnant woman doesn’t want to be a mother +22%
Men are less supportive of the legality of abortion where there is no physical harm to the health of the mother
Over 60s are less supportive of the legality of abortion than other age groups
There is little variation by area when it comes to views on abortion
Pacific Island respondents were overall less supportive of the legality of abortion
Green party voters were most supportive of the legality of abortion, followed by Labour voters then National voters and least supportive were NZ First voters
2017 New Zealand abortion poll
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Post by awhina on Mar 20, 2017 10:22:00 GMT
Yes of course "pro-choice" id pro-abortion. Pro-choice is a weasel word, as murder isn't a matter of "choice". He didn't give NZ figures, he gave UK ones after one of the two pro-abortion "ladies" claimed all she could find were US ones. I have just read an article about a crazy female who hates her own gender, a lunatic abortion campaigner called Wendy Savage who has called for sex-selection abortion to be made legal. I wonder what mental damage she has sustained? No it isn't at all. Therefore you calling people pro-abortion is completely wrong. With regards to the figures, they were NZ ones. I have reposted them below. The working link to the poll is in the original posters post. In 2017, ALRANZ commissioned a national poll to measure New Zealanders’ attitudes towards abortion.
The results are just pretty much what we expected and we’re excited to share them with you now.
Executive Summary
Only 14% of adults correctly estimated that around one in four women have had an abortion. 37% thought the prevalence rate was under 20% while 19% thought it was over 30%
A majority of New Zealanders supported abortion being legal in all seven specific circumstances given to them.
The net level of support (those saying legal less those saying illegal for each circumstance was:
– Pregnant woman likely to die +72%
– Foetus has no chance of survival +70%
– Pregnant woman likely to be permanently harmed +70%
– Pregnancy is a result of rape +65%
– Pregnancy is a result of birth control failure +31%
– Pregnant mother can’t afford to have another child +27%
– Pregnant woman doesn’t want to be a mother +22%
Men are less supportive of the legality of abortion where there is no physical harm to the health of the mother
Over 60s are less supportive of the legality of abortion than other age groups
There is little variation by area when it comes to views on abortion
Pacific Island respondents were overall less supportive of the legality of abortion
Green party voters were most supportive of the legality of abortion, followed by Labour voters then National voters and least supportive were NZ First voters
2017 New Zealand abortion poll
What poster? You almost certainly don't know (or care) that ALRANZ is a pto-abortion campaign group. Therefore their figures áre about as trust-worthy as a those of a crime syndicate publishing s poll about desired police numbers!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2017 10:26:43 GMT
With two, maybe 3 exceptions all the males on this board are pro-abortion. Of the 5 women on this board 3 are pro-life and only 2 are pro-abortion. I can't accept your assertion. I have not seen anyone actually say they are pro abortion, that is your opinion. I have seen posters state that they are pro choice. Am I to assume that you take that as pro abortion? If so then you are wrong. Also a poster has posted New Zealand data which shows that most men are against the legality of abortion unless it is for the health of the mother. This is in contrast to the women. More evidence about the opinions of women on abortion in the UK: Perception doesn't equal reality. That somebody thinks the opinions of less than a dozen people on this board can be used to extrapolate the opinions of tens of millions of people spread across different countries is frankly absurd. Then again as you will soon come to realise that poster is a fool who can be perceive no other opinion being valid except her own. That she presumes to speak on behalf of women as if they're not independent human beings with their own thoughts and experiences is patronising in the extreme. What is even more ironic is that the poster in question has taken the name Kate Sheppard a leading suffragette as her username. So this idiot uses the name of a women who championed women's rights to espouse the view that women don't have the right to decide what to do with their own bodies. The irony of this will pass over that poster's head like a waxed frisbee of ignorance.
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Post by OldSamVimes on Mar 20, 2017 10:36:29 GMT
The poster posing as 'Kate Sheppard' doesn't know what 'Pro-choice' means.
She thinks it means 'Pro-abortion'. Pro-abortion would be a stance that says 'Women should get abortions'.
Pro-choice means 'I let the woman choose what to do' or 'I support the woman's right to choose'.
She is stupid and does not even understand the basic terms used in the debate.
Most of us already knew she was stupid. I don't know what the Hell people are doing arguing with her like she's a rational human being.
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Post by progressiveelement on Mar 20, 2017 10:53:03 GMT
The poster posing as 'Kate Sheppard' doesn't know what 'Pro-choice' means. She thinks it means 'Pro-abortion'. Pro-abortion would be a stance that says 'Women should get abortions'. Pro-choice means 'I let the woman choose what to do' or 'I support the woman's right to choose'. She is stupid and does not even understand the basic terms used in the debate. Most of us already knew she was stupid. I don't know what the Hell people are doing arguing with her like she's a rational human being. Morbid amusement. 😀
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Post by londonbird on Mar 20, 2017 10:54:19 GMT
I can't accept your assertion. I have not seen anyone actually say they are pro abortion, that is your opinion. I have seen posters state that they are pro choice. Am I to assume that you take that as pro abortion? If so then you are wrong. Also a poster has posted New Zealand data which shows that most men are against the legality of abortion unless it is for the health of the mother. This is in contrast to the women. Yes of course "pro-choice" id pro-abortion. Pro-choice is a weasel word, as murder isn't a matter of "choice". He didn't give NZ figures, he gave UK ones after one of the two pro-abortion "ladies" claimed all she could find were US ones. I have just read an article about a crazy female who hates her own gender, a lunatic abortion campaigner called Wendy Savage who has called for sex-selection abortion to be made legal. I wonder what mental damage she has sustained? Please don't speak for me dear when you can barely speak for yourself. I am not pro abortion. I don't condone nor would I have an abortion ( except in severe foetal health issues) I do support a woman's right to choose as I don't believe I have the right to tell someone else what to do with their body nor do I believe in placing my moral code on others. But you already know this and are just being obtuse. With regards to your blatant lie that I stated I could not find uk ones I very clearly wrote that I had still to find up to date ones as I only found ones from 2006. Do keep on telling fibs dear when the truth is actually in the very thread people are reading as it just adds more weight to people's assertions that you and the truth are only passing acqUintances.
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Post by chasallnut on Mar 20, 2017 10:55:44 GMT
I can't accept your assertion. I have not seen anyone actually say they are pro abortion, that is your opinion. I have seen posters state that they are pro choice. Am I to assume that you take that as pro abortion? If so then you are wrong. Also a poster has posted New Zealand data which shows that most men are against the legality of abortion unless it is for the health of the mother. This is in contrast to the women. More evidence about the opinions of women on abortion in the UK: Perception doesn't equal reality. That somebody thinks the opinions of less than a dozen people on this board can be used to extrapolate the opinions of tens of millions of people spread across different countries is frankly absurd. Then again as you will soon come to realise that poster is a fool who can be perceive no other opinion being valid except her own. That she presumes to speak on behalf of women as if they're not independent human beings with their own thoughts and experiences is patronising in the extreme. What is even more ironic is that the poster in question has taken the name Kate Sheppard a leading suffragette as her username. So this idiot uses the name of a women who championed women's rights to espouse the view that women don't have the right to decide what to do with their own bodies. The irony of this will pass over that poster's head like a waxed frisbee of ignorance. To label people because of her own prejudices and view those labels as correct is delusional.
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Post by chasallnut on Mar 20, 2017 10:58:10 GMT
Yes of course "pro-choice" id pro-abortion. Pro-choice is a weasel word, as murder isn't a matter of "choice". He didn't give NZ figures, he gave UK ones after one of the two pro-abortion "ladies" claimed all she could find were US ones. I have just read an article about a crazy female who hates her own gender, a lunatic abortion campaigner called Wendy Savage who has called for sex-selection abortion to be made legal. I wonder what mental damage she has sustained? Please don't speak for me dear when you can barely speak for yourself. I am not pro abortion. I don't condone nor would I have an abortion ( except in severe foetal health issues) I do support a woman's right to choose as I don't believe I have the right to tell someone else what to do with their body nor do I believe in placing my moral code on others. But you already know this and are just being obtuse. With regards to your blatant lie that I stated I could not find uk ones I very clearly wrote that I had still to find up to date ones as I only found ones from 2006. Do keep on telling fibs dear when the truth is actually in the very thread people are reading as it just adds more weight to people's assertions that you and the truth are only passing acqUintances. It would seem that KS is applying labels to people that she either disagrees with or her prejudices dictate. That is completely disingenuous and dishonest.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2017 11:01:55 GMT
No it isn't at all. Therefore you calling people pro-abortion is completely wrong. With regards to the figures, they were NZ ones. I have reposted them below. The working link to the poll is in the original posters post. In 2017, ALRANZ commissioned a national poll to measure New Zealanders’ attitudes towards abortion.
The results are just pretty much what we expected and we’re excited to share them with you now.
Executive Summary
Only 14% of adults correctly estimated that around one in four women have had an abortion. 37% thought the prevalence rate was under 20% while 19% thought it was over 30%
A majority of New Zealanders supported abortion being legal in all seven specific circumstances given to them.
The net level of support (those saying legal less those saying illegal for each circumstance was:
– Pregnant woman likely to die +72%
– Foetus has no chance of survival +70%
– Pregnant woman likely to be permanently harmed +70%
– Pregnancy is a result of rape +65%
– Pregnancy is a result of birth control failure +31%
– Pregnant mother can’t afford to have another child +27%
– Pregnant woman doesn’t want to be a mother +22%
Men are less supportive of the legality of abortion where there is no physical harm to the health of the mother
Over 60s are less supportive of the legality of abortion than other age groups
There is little variation by area when it comes to views on abortion
Pacific Island respondents were overall less supportive of the legality of abortion
Green party voters were most supportive of the legality of abortion, followed by Labour voters then National voters and least supportive were NZ First voters
2017 New Zealand abortion poll
What poster? You almost certainly don't know (or care) that ALRANZ is a pto-abortion campaign group. Therefore their figures áre about as trust-worthy as a those of a crime syndicate publishing s poll about desired police numbers! Do you think ALRANZ ran the poll themselves you stupid bitch. They commissioned the poll, it was conducted by a Wellington based independent market research company called Curia. The full poll can be found here: Abortion poll
ALRANZ had no influence on those polled or the polling data collected. Here is the sample size Curia used: So what you're saying is an independent polling company manipulated the data to get this result? That would be illegal under New Zealand law as noted on the compliance section above. So the question is this: Do we trust an independent polling company using an internationally recognised polling method to gauge New Zealanders opinions on abortion,or do we trust the word of one fundamentalist fanatic who has yet to provide one shred of proof to support her assertions. No question mark was needed after that sentence because to all sane posters it's a rhetorical question.
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Post by awhina on Mar 20, 2017 11:09:47 GMT
More evidence about the opinions of women on abortion in the UK: Perception doesn't equal reality. That somebody thinks the opinions of less than a dozen people on this board can be used to extrapolate the opinions of tens of millions of people spread across different countries is frankly absurd. Then again as you will soon come to realise that poster is a fool who can be perceive no other opinion being valid except her own. That she presumes to speak on behalf of women as if they're not independent human beings with their own thoughts and experiences is patronising in the extreme. What is even more ironic is that the poster in question has taken the name Kate Sheppard a leading suffragette as her username. So this idiot uses the name of a women who championed women's rights to espouse the view that women don't have the right to decide what to do with their own bodies. The irony of this will pass over that poster's head like a waxed frisbee of ignorance. To label people because of her own prejudices and view those labels as correct is delusional. Keep on campaigning for abortion, you still can't make us do it - yet at least. You're male I would not expect any different. Sadly for you I am not delusional, and I have time on my side. My children's generation is significantly more pro-life than your generation is.
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Post by Arlon10 on Mar 20, 2017 11:13:50 GMT
The poster posing as 'Kate Sheppard' doesn't know what 'Pro-choice' means. She thinks it means 'Pro-abortion'. Pro-abortion would be a stance that says 'Women should get abortions'. Pro-choice means 'I let the woman choose what to do' or 'I support the woman's right to choose'. She is stupid and does not even understand the basic terms used in the debate. Most of us already knew she was stupid. I don't know what the Hell people are doing arguing with her like she's a rational human being. If pro-choice means 'I let the woman choose what to do' or 'I support the woman's right to choose,' then shouldn't that also mean supporting a woman's right to choose to make a meal of soda? Her right to choose to smoke a cigarette wherever she wants? Her right to home school her children without government conditions? Her right to decline health care she does not believe is helpful? Since it obviously does not mean those things then maybe you're the one who needs to revise terms.
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Post by OldSamVimes on Mar 20, 2017 11:15:06 GMT
Sadly for you I am not delusional, and I have time on my side. You're delusional if you think you have time on your side. In your photo you looked old, and like you spent over 40 years of your life smoking cigarettes.
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Post by OldSamVimes on Mar 20, 2017 11:17:04 GMT
The poster posing as 'Kate Sheppard' doesn't know what 'Pro-choice' means. She thinks it means 'Pro-abortion'. Pro-abortion would be a stance that says 'Women should get abortions'. Pro-choice means 'I let the woman choose what to do' or 'I support the woman's right to choose'. She is stupid and does not even understand the basic terms used in the debate. Most of us already knew she was stupid. I don't know what the Hell people are doing arguing with her like she's a rational human being. If pro-choice means 'I let the woman choose what to do' or 'I support the woman's right to choose,' then shouldn't that also mean supporting a woman's right to choose to make a meal of soda? Her right to choose to smoke a cigarette wherever she wants? Her right to home school her children without government conditions? Her right to decline health care she does not believe is helpful? Since it obviously does not mean those things then maybe you're the one who needs to revise terms. We're talking 'pro-choice' in the context of a debate about abortion Arlon, as in 'I believe the woman should be the one to choose'. Glad I could help.
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Post by chasallnut on Mar 20, 2017 11:17:59 GMT
To label people because of her own prejudices and view those labels as correct is delusional. Keep on campaigning for abortion, you still can't make us do it - yet at least. You're male I would not expect any different. Sadly for you I am not delusional, and I have time on my side. My children's generation is significantly more pro-life than your generation is. Who is campaigning for abortion? Again, simply because someone doesn't agree with you, you make things up. Yes I am male. This seems to be a problem for you. You display a dislike for all things male, therefore fuelling your prejudices. And I have no idea what you mean by "you have time on your side" What generation would that be?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2017 11:35:55 GMT
Wrong: Do you think that your children are somehow representative of all New Zealand's younger generations? Damn you get stupider by the post.
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Post by londonbird on Mar 20, 2017 11:40:35 GMT
Keep on campaigning for abortion, you still can't make us do it - yet at least. You're male I would not expect any different. Sadly for you I am not delusional, and I have time on my side. My children's generation is significantly more pro-life than your generation is. Who is campaigning for abortion? Again, simply because someone doesn't agree with you, you make things up. Yes I am male. This seems to be a problem for you. You display a dislike for all things male, therefore fuelling your prejudices. And I have no idea what you mean by "you have time on your side" What generation would that be? I am unsure why she states her children's generation are far mor pro life.... All the stats given can show age ranges. www.stats.govt.nz/browse_for_stats/health/abortion/AbortionStatistics_HOTPYeDec15.aspx. Plus basing e perience on just her children is hardly indicative of a whole generation!
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Post by Jonesy1 on Mar 20, 2017 11:42:08 GMT
Keep on campaigning for abortion, you still can't make us do it - yet at least. You're male I would not expect any different. Sadly for you I am not delusional, and I have time on my side. My children's generation is significantly more pro-life than your generation is. Who is campaigning for abortion? Again, simply because someone doesn't agree with you, you make things up. Yes I am male. This seems to be a problem for you. You display a dislike for all things male, therefore fuelling your prejudices. And I have no idea what you mean by "you have time on your side" What generation would that be? As you have probably noticed she has a habit of talking out of her arse.
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Post by chasallnut on Mar 20, 2017 12:32:06 GMT
Who is campaigning for abortion? Again, simply because someone doesn't agree with you, you make things up. Yes I am male. This seems to be a problem for you. You display a dislike for all things male, therefore fuelling your prejudices. And I have no idea what you mean by "you have time on your side" What generation would that be? I am unsure why she states her children's generation are far mor pro life.... All the stats given can show age ranges. www.stats.govt.nz/browse_for_stats/health/abortion/AbortionStatistics_HOTPYeDec15.aspx. Plus basing e perience on just her children is hardly indicative of a whole generation! What I have witnessed is that she is basing whole swathes of demographics on singular experience or anecdotes.
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