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Post by Primemovermithrax Pejorative on Sept 21, 2018 0:27:45 GMT
Wow you have my condolences having to watch it.
Exsqueeze me.
I did like the idea of the opening scene but I think they blew it as soon as the racist merchant aliens showed up. If it had been Jedis rescuing Amidala from space pirates or something--I think it would have been better. I also liked R2's intro--there's something Captain Blood/Sea Hawk-like about him standing in the palace room being recognized for bravery. But I think it would have been far more logical to have C3P0 on that ship than the incredibly lame ass way he is introduced in the film.
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Post by Nalkarj on Sept 21, 2018 0:29:48 GMT
Am I talking to myself? I may be talking to myself. This is getting to be more and more common… (“Curiouser and curiouser,” Alice said.)
Why is Liam-Wan Kenobi letting a little kid in this big dangerous race? Even more worrying, why is his mom letting him in this big dangerous race? Little kid’s Darth Vader, right? OK. Doesn’t seem that evil, but OK. Everyone starts somewhere. The virgin birth bit kinda came out of nowhere.
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Post by Nalkarj on Sept 21, 2018 0:32:34 GMT
Wow you have my condolences having to watch it. Exsqueeze me. I did like the idea of the opening scene but I think they blew it as soon as the racist merchant aliens showed up. If it had been Jedis rescuing Amidala from space pirates or something--I think it would have been better. I also liked R2's intro--there's something Captain Blood/Sea Hawk-like about him standing in the palace room being recognized for bravery. But I think it would have been far more logical to have C3P0 on that ship than the incredibly lame ass way he is introduced in the film. I don’t have to watch it; I just enjoyed those other ones and saw this one was available for free. But thanks for the condolences! Yeah, I saw that with Dino-Man there was something weird going on race-wise—he’s acting like a Willie Best performance from the ‘30s. It’s out of place and somewhat inexplicable, but as I say I like the other characters so far. Captain Blood/ Sea Hawk—I’d not thought of that, but yes! I agree about space-pirates; I still can’t quite understand this world’s wacky politics.
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Post by Nalkarj on Sept 21, 2018 0:36:53 GMT
The first Harry Potter borrowed its Quidditch scene from this.
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Post by Nalkarj on Sept 21, 2018 0:40:34 GMT
So many questions. Why doesn’t Mom just tag along? Who’s gonna stop her?
And what’s up with the fact that they still allow slavery here?
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Post by Primemovermithrax Pejorative on Sept 21, 2018 0:52:28 GMT
Captain Blood/ Sea Hawk—I’d not thought of that, but yes! I thought of that while watching in in the theater. The way he stands there facing the Queen made me think of those kind of pirate ship movies.
That was one scene where the 1930s-40s Hollywood vibe was being referenced. I think there was a lot of that in the original Star Wars (lots of parallels between it and Wizard of Oz when you think about it). I don't think The Empire Strikes Back and Return of the Jedi did that as much.
What do you think about Archie Bunker Yoda? Its funny-even Rick Baker the makeup fx guy said Yoda looked off and he offered to re-sculpt it.. lol
The Red Letter Media guy Mr Plinkett said Jackson was bad casting-they should have used Morgan Freeman instead. I agree. Jackson just isnt the right type for the mellow Jedi. But Yoda hanging out in a fancy city--that's jarring to me too. The Dalai Lama was only hanging out in big cities when he was in exile. With Yoda its the opposite.
Wait until you get to the Attack of the Clones where Yoda is standing on the military transport ship and his scenes with Christopher Lee.
Ewan McGregor is badly used in TPM. I think he plays a similar kind of role in Jack the Giant Slayer but does it better.
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Post by Nalkarj on Sept 21, 2018 0:52:36 GMT
Samuel L. Jackson’s in this? Huh? EDIT: Cross-posted with Primemovermithrax Pejorative’s comments about Jackson. While I agree that Freeman might have been better, I actually think Jackson has fit it so far. It was just jarring to see him pop up here.
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Post by Nalkarj on Sept 21, 2018 0:57:34 GMT
I didn’t think I’d ever see the day there’d be a movie with Liam Neeson, Terence Stamp, and Samuel L. Jackson. I’m actually thinking of the Merlin miniseries with Sam Neill that I recently mentioned.
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Post by Primemovermithrax Pejorative on Sept 21, 2018 1:02:28 GMT
Oh that reminds me-Terence Stamp was really pissed about this movie. He wanted to do a scene with Natalie Portman but she was sick and so Lucas had him act opposite a stick. That's why he never did another one. Also, Neeson had to tell Lucas to get McGregor to stop making light saber "whoosh" sounds when they were doing duel scenes because it was making the former lose concentration and laugh.
"There's always a bigger fish."
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Post by Primemovermithrax Pejorative on Sept 21, 2018 1:03:08 GMT
Brian Blessed is so wasted in this film. They should have given him a human role.
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Post by Nalkarj on Sept 21, 2018 1:03:54 GMT
Good thinking, Anikin. What are midichlorines?
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Post by Nalkarj on Sept 21, 2018 1:04:27 GMT
Brian Blessed is so wasted in this film. They should have given him a human role. Brian Blessed is in this?
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Post by Primemovermithrax Pejorative on Sept 21, 2018 1:09:46 GMT
Brian Blessed is in this? His voice is. He is the king of JarJar's people. He makes the weird goofy noises.
Ha that reminds me. JarJar's intro was kind of funny with him just standing there and Qui Jon asking him if he was an idiot for almost getting killed.
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Post by Primemovermithrax Pejorative on Sept 21, 2018 1:11:07 GMT
I was very disappointed when watching the film-even shocked--however once it gets to the big duel I think that made up for it a little-until it was over then I went home depressed.
Howard Stern pretty much described the same feeling after he saw it.
I watched an ASCII version of Star Wars and was more entertained.
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Post by Nalkarj on Sept 21, 2018 1:13:54 GMT
Wow. I really like this shot of the battle—the dinosaur-creatures getting together in an army and the tanks attacking. That’s cool. I’m tempted to say this reminds me of another miniseries I remember seeing as a kid, Dinotopia.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2018 1:15:08 GMT
One thing I love about TPM is the pure imagination. The planets are gorgeous. Even the sound design is phenominal. And it's obvious the FX team went all out because the CGI is amazing. Also, same cinematographer from Empire Strikes Back! Do NOT expect the other two to look anywhere near as good.
That said, although there's a lot to like, the story is kind of muddled. Qui Gonn is the protagonist in act one- then it's Anakin... Then it's Obi Wan! Very strange choices by Lucas. Also, I have neve understood why Anakin is a kid here. It should've been a story about a 20 year old Anakin befriending a slightly older Obi Wan and joining the adventure as brothers in arms.
Anyway, great to hear your thoughts, Salz!
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Post by Nalkarj on Sept 21, 2018 1:18:01 GMT
So…the Devil’s in this too?
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Post by Nalkarj on Sept 21, 2018 1:25:51 GMT
One thing I love about TPM is the pure imagination. The planets are gorgeous. Even the sound design is phenominal. And it's obvious the FX team went all out because the CGI is amazing. Also, same cinematographer from Empire Strikes Back! Do NOT expect the other two to look anywhere near as good.
That said, although there's a lot to like, the story is kind of muddled. Qui Gonn is the protagonist in act one- then it's Anakin... Then it's Obi Wan! Very strange choices by Lucas. Also, I have neve understood why Anakin is a kid here. It should've been a story about a 20 year old Anakin befriending a slightly older Obi Wan and joining the adventure as brothers in arms. Anyway, great to hear your thoughts, Salz! Same cinematographer as Empire? That’s probably what I’m liking about it, then. You’re right, everything looks and sounds gorgeous. I love the designs of the planets, the sheer scale and size. It’s really impressive. I’m watching this duelling scene right now, and I don’t know if it’s Lucas or what, but the whole thing looks amazing. Problem is, I think it’s all wasted on a story that I just don’t get. It’s serviceable, but just serviceable; the characters are one-dimensional, fine, but they’re not really lovable (except the Droids). The whole crew from the first three movies were one-dimensional as well, but there’s just something friendly and likeable about them. These characterizations seem more clinical. I hope that makes some kind of sense. I mean, it seems Lucas is trying to set him up somewhat as a Christlike figure, virgin birth and all, so I suppose in that way it makes sense that we first see him as a kid. (But I don’t really think it fits to see him as Christlike.) A story about a 20-year-old Anakin befriending a slightly older Obi-Wan sounds great, like The Three Musketeers with Anakin as D’Artagnan. Excellent idea, m’friend. Now that I think of it, that would have been perfect and fit the fantasy world to a T. Thanks. I sometimes feel like I’m just bloviating with these play-by-plays, but it’s fun to express thoughts.
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Post by Nalkarj on Sept 21, 2018 1:27:26 GMT
This stuff with young Anakin (Anakin’s the correct spelling? OK) in the spaceship, weaving through that one planet, is also the first thing that felt like Star Wars the original movie to me.
I like this climax. And I feel like I would have loved this had I seen it as a kid, especially the action and the take-off on the Roman Republic (I had a weird interest in Greek and Roman civilizations even then). Now, though, it seems fine but weaker than the original three.
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Post by Nalkarj on Sept 21, 2018 1:32:44 GMT
Devil-Liam fight is mirroring Luke-Vader fight pretty closely.
Oops. Liam’s dead. Too bad. He was the most interesting character in the thing.
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