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Post by coldenhaulfield on Sept 28, 2018 5:18:44 GMT
This isn’t a criticism—to the contrary—but this is the only one of the lot that left me without a smile on my face. Because it’s really well done, really very well done, and it’s not supposed to leave you with a smile on your face; evil wins. It’s not perfect (what is?), with Christensen’s voice and emoting still off, and I could probably find some nitpicks, but it’s a great film. Purely considered as scene-painting, mise-en-scène, it’s a masterwork. Some general impressions, though: none of the prequels was as much fun as the originals. While I was regularly impressed with the staging, imagery, and set-design for all of them, The Phantom Menace struck me as somewhat pointless and Attack of the Clones somewhat badly filmed. (Still liked ‘em, though.) I think this is the only one of the three to compete with the originals just for pure quality, and fittingly there are rather clear cross-references to all three of the originals. All the originals, even The Empire Strikes Back, left with a smile on my face; this is serious, and dares to take itself seriously. But I think the subtitle of Star Wars, “a new hope,” makes more sense now: the situation at the end of this movie seems pretty damn hopeless, but Luke is that one small hope in a sea of evils from Pandora’s box. I think that this movie, at least, makes the originals more satisfying and makes everything more wholistic. It’s a good one. I’m delighted I saw these movies at long last. Now watch this scene again:
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Sept 28, 2018 5:19:33 GMT
Okay. Didn't want to spoil anything, per se, but -- re: your Dante comment: "I think that this is the creator of Star Wars basically giving us the nucleus of his entire epic. You know? This is the Origin Story. We finally 'earned' this. You know, we watched The Phantom Menace and Attack of the Clones, but this is really where the galactic civil war is created, and this is where Darth Vader is born. It's where Luke is born; it's where Padme dies. It is such a critical moment in Star Wars, and this is the creator of Star Wars not answering to any studio, just creating what he wants to create the way he wants to create it." -- Bryan Young, Star Wars Oxygen podcast It’s pure auteurism, and it’s great. Oddly enough, with the Dante comparison, this is Dante and Virgil at the very center of hell, before they escape on Easter morning. Star Wars and The Empire Strike Back can represent Purgatory, then, and Return of the Jedi Heaven. Yes, of course I’m overanalyzing it! Nah, you're on the right track.
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Post by Nalkarj on Sept 28, 2018 5:19:41 GMT
Thanks for joining me, coldenhaulfield and President Ackbar™. I’ve enjoyed having you guys, and everybody here, along for the ride. (That sounds clichéd, but—well, it’s true. ) Unfortunately, finishing this one makes me now want to take a look at the original Star Wars again… Curses!
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Post by Nalkarj on Sept 28, 2018 5:20:20 GMT
Now watch this scene again: ^^^Guess we’re thinking the same thing.
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Sept 28, 2018 5:22:24 GMT
Now watch this scene again: ^^^Guess we’re thinking the same thing. I mean. If and when you wanna dive into the deep end of the pool, this is the next step: www.starwarsringtheory.comETA: I would maybe give the movies a couple days to marinate before tackling this, but it's a really fun read when you have time.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2018 5:47:44 GMT
Time to watch the sequels?
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Post by Primemovermithrax Pejorative on Sept 28, 2018 5:49:49 GMT
Darth Vader: Nooooooooooo!
What I had heard was Coppola gave Lucas some advice on performance-at least that was what I heard. Maybe he showed up and directed a bit of it? I thought maybe he did for the final scene between Anakin and Padme.
But then he left again.
The novelization of Return of the Jedi mentions Vader and the lava pit so it was kind of neat yet weird to finally see that scene filmed.
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Sept 28, 2018 5:52:07 GMT
Time to watch the sequels? What sequels? He's watched the entire Star Wars Saga. The only logical move from here would be the Ewok movies. Innit?
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Post by Nalkarj on Sept 28, 2018 5:52:53 GMT
Time to watch the sequels? Well, at the moment I feel like my eyes are about to fall out of their sockets, so…not for the time being, amico mio.
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Sept 28, 2018 5:56:15 GMT
Time to watch the sequels? Well, at the moment I feel like my eyes are about to fall out of their sockets, so…not for the time being, amico mio. Don't listen to him. There are no sequels. Only fanfiction films, and there's way more of those on YouTube than the House of Mouse has vomited out, and many of them are quite good, unlike the execrable Disney dreck. I say: avoid all of that rot like the plague.
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Post by Nalkarj on Sept 28, 2018 6:07:00 GMT
Whether or not I do watch the sequels… Thanks to everyone here throughout my journey on watching Star Wars long after the rest of the human race has. coldenhaulfield , BATouttaheck , @forceghostackbar , President Ackbar™ , Tristan's Journal , Primemovermithrax Pejorative , deembastille , MCDemuth , No Morpho, Only Bánh mì , RiP, IMDb —I think I’ve got everybody. Thank you all so much, folks! I’ve greatly appreciated everyone’s comments and advice, and the whole thing’s been a lot of fun.
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Post by Waxer-n-boil on Sept 28, 2018 6:07:44 GMT
Yoda was NEVER called a Jedi Knight. Let's see you find a quote that contradicts that. He was called Jedi Master.
Yoda seems to have been based on the monks in KUNG FU-who are not shown to be fighters.
And before you say- but Obi Wan Kenobi was training Jedis too--yeah he did--one, and it went badly. Do you not know that Clonetroopers routinely took orders from Yoda in AOTC the same way that they took orders from Jedis they called general? Also, Yoda was called general in CWAS (Clone Wars animated series). "Wars does not make one great." Apparently that was a lesson he learned from his experiences in the Clone Wars. Yoda's experiences over the course of the entire saga plays out like it was. If you are looking for a really ridiculous Yoda look no further than the one in TLJ. He shows up in a festive mood to a serious situation. He contradicts everything he ever stood for; he says Rey doesn't need training or Jedi text. And apparently Force ghost Yoda is stupider than someone who has only used a lightsaber once and never pursued the wisdoms and enlightenment of the Force ever. Rey took the Jedi text so apparently Yoda was wrong. And TLJ Yoda implies that all of Luke's training and attempts at mentoring were a waste of time. But the audience is supposed to look right past that absurdity because Yoda explains his position by breaking out some fortune cookie wisdom: "Experience is the best teacher." (Cue the oohs, ahs, and jaw drops).
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Post by Primemovermithrax Pejorative on Sept 28, 2018 7:47:03 GMT
Do you not know that Clonetroopers routinely took orders from Yoda in AOTC the same way that they took orders from Jedis they called general? Also, Yoda was called general in CWAS (Clone Wars animated series). I am going by the Kurtz and Lucas version--not the later revisions. In the original Empire Strikes Back and Return of the Jedi Yoda is never called a general.
Certainly if Kenobi could be called that then Yoda could have..if that was intended. At the time it wasn't-just like Vader's back story and all the rest. Lucas just picked it out of a hat later on. He never had a firm plan for the stories-which is why the Emperor goes from kind of a weakling in TESB to the guy in charge by ROTJ.
The way Clive Revell says "Luke Skywalker-he can destroy us" and then after Vader suggests they turn him to the Dark Side: "Yes, yes..he could be a great asset. Can it be done?"
That is not the same Emperor who said: "Everything is occurring as I have foreseen it."
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Sept 28, 2018 9:03:24 GMT
This isn’t a criticism—to the contrary—but this is the only one of the lot that left me without a smile on my face. Because it’s really well done, really very well done, and it’s not supposed to leave you with a smile on your face; evil wins. It’s not perfect (what is?), with Christensen’s voice and emoting still off, and I could probably find some nitpicks, but it’s a great film. Purely considered as scene-painting, mise-en-scène, it’s a masterwork. Some general impressions, though: none of the prequels was as much fun as the originals. While I was regularly impressed with the staging, imagery, and set-design for all of them, The Phantom Menace struck me as somewhat pointless and Attack of the Clones somewhat badly filmed. (Still liked ‘em, though.) I think this is the only one of the three to compete with the originals just for pure quality, and fittingly there are rather clear cross-references to all three of the originals. All the originals, even The Empire Strikes Back, left with a smile on my face; this is serious, and dares to take itself seriously. But I think the subtitle of Star Wars, “a new hope,” makes more sense now: the situation at the end of this movie seems pretty damn hopeless, but Luke is that one small hope in a sea of evils from Pandora’s box. I think that this movie, at least, makes the originals more satisfying and makes everything more wholistic. It’s a good one. I’m delighted I saw these movies at long last. Now watch this scene again: there are countless of those, here is one - but scored with William's Sith music, and that makes THE difference between well-intended and brilliant:
...not to forget the awesome OFFICIAL Sith teaser that originated all these cuts; must have watched it more than all movies together back in the day...
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Post by No Morpho, Only Bánh mì on Sept 28, 2018 13:45:29 GMT
Gah, I can’t believe I missed the RotS viewing!!! That’s my favorite SW. I did enjoy getting to binge your thoughts, though.
That film leaves me with a huge smile on my face, But I am probably just a sadist. It’s so masterful and ties the entire series together.
Did anyone else play RotS on ps2? I’m trying to remember how they got around The youngling slaying for the game. I think you just fought teens around the library? Maybe?
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Sept 28, 2018 14:02:55 GMT
Gah, I can’t believe I missed the RotS viewing!!! That’s my favorite SW. I did enjoy getting to binge your thoughts, though. That film leaves me with a huge smile on my face, But I am probably just a sadist. It’s so masterful and ties the entire series together. Did anyone else play RotS on ps2? I’m trying to remember how they got around The youngling slaying for the game. I think you just fought teens around the library? Maybe? Yeah, it was the peak experience of my moviegoing lifetime. (Rock-bottom, of course, being ten years later with TFA.) I'll never forget my buddy nudging me right before the flick started and saying, "Think about this: you've waited your whole life to see this movie. You'll never be able to say that again." And he was right. I loved Revenge of the Sith; it's the Star Wars movie of my wildest dreams.
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Post by Hauntedknight87 on Sept 28, 2018 14:10:09 GMT
Gah, I can’t believe I missed the RotS viewing!!! That’s my favorite SW. I did enjoy getting to binge your thoughts, though. That film leaves me with a huge smile on my face, But I am probably just a sadist. It’s so masterful and ties the entire series together. Did anyone else play RotS on ps2? I’m trying to remember how they got around The youngling slaying for the game. I think you just fought teens around the library? Maybe? I remember that game! I liked the fighting game aspect of it. I know that they attempted it back on the ps1 but I'm surprised we never gotten a new Star Wars fighting game.
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Post by No Morpho, Only Bánh mì on Sept 28, 2018 14:20:37 GMT
Gah, I can’t believe I missed the RotS viewing!!! That’s my favorite SW. I did enjoy getting to binge your thoughts, though. That film leaves me with a huge smile on my face, But I am probably just a sadist. It’s so masterful and ties the entire series together. Did anyone else play RotS on ps2? I’m trying to remember how they got around The youngling slaying for the game. I think you just fought teens around the library? Maybe? I remember that game! I liked the fighting game aspect of it. I know that they attempted it back on the ps1 but I'm surprised we never gotten a new Star Wars fighting game. Yeah, it was sweet! That was the game that got me back into gaming for that period of time. They should really come out with something new and awesome for the ps4. I’ve avoided battlefront 2 because it gets such terrible reviews. The other I loved most then was Marvel Nemesis: Rise of the Imperfects. I can’t remember if that one was good-bad or actually good, but I loved the fighting style in it, and the dark characters.
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Sept 28, 2018 14:46:11 GMT
I remember that game! I liked the fighting game aspect of it. I know that they attempted it back on the ps1 but I'm surprised we never gotten a new Star Wars fighting game. Yeah, it was sweet! That was the game that got me back into gaming for that period of time. They should really come out with something new and awesome for the ps4. I’ve avoided battlefront 2 because it gets such terrible reviews.I hear that they did away with the horrible, game destroying aspects like micro transactions and bugs and they significantly expanded the game so that it is pretty great to play now.
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Sept 28, 2018 14:48:30 GMT
Yeah, it was sweet! That was the game that got me back into gaming for that period of time. They should really come out with something new and awesome for the ps4. I’ve avoided battlefront 2 because it gets such terrible reviews.I hear that they did away with the horrible, game destroying aspects like micro transactions and bugs and they significantly expanded the game so that it is pretty great to play now.
Nah, it still sucks. It's ridiculously hard because of the changes they made to it; playing it is infuriating.
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