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Post by Popeye Doyle on May 29, 2018 20:29:10 GMT
Pros- Nicole Kidman looks great The soundtrack, i.e. U2, Seal A masterpiece compared to its sequel
Cons - The garish, neon drenched Gotham City A great opening build up ruined by Batman's first spoken words. Robin showing how laundry is done. 
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Post by PreachCaleb on May 29, 2018 21:30:44 GMT
Pros-
Drew Barrymore
Some pretty good set pieces, particularly the fight at the party.
Con-
Batman seems to have some repressed memory about why he became Batman?
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Post by Popeye Doyle on May 29, 2018 21:35:25 GMT
Con- Batman seems to have some repressed memory about why he became Batman?  |
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Post by politicidal on May 29, 2018 21:39:43 GMT
Cons:
- Tommy Lee Jones' awful performance as Two-Face;arguably his worst of his career.
- Repeating the mistake of Batman '89 and Returns by relegating Batman as a supporting character in his own movie. Again.
- Nicole Kidman while hot af in this, I remember her being useless.
Pros:
- Val Kilmer is a decent Bruce Wayne but a forgettable Batman
- Chris O'Donnell is not terrible as Dick Grayson as I recall.
- While the visual effects are garish and cheesy, I remember the set design looking very nice and some of the costumes were cool.
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Post by moviemouth on May 29, 2018 21:41:03 GMT
Pros
The neon drenched Gotham
The art direction
Jim Carrey and Tommy Lee Jones are fun
The movie isn't boring
Val Kilmer is an alright Bruce Wayne
It is the first Batman movie to delve into Bruce Wayne's psycology.
It has a couple good action scenes
Elliott Goldenthal's score
The soundtrack
Cons
30 year old Robin
Two/Face is poorly written
Riddler's evil plot doesn't make much sense
Nicole Kidman's wooden acting
Val Kilmer is a boring Batman
It's a little TOO campy
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Post by PreachCaleb on May 29, 2018 21:41:55 GMT
Con- Batman seems to have some repressed memory about why he became Batman? It'd make a hell of a horror movie. |
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Post by Popeye Doyle on May 29, 2018 21:41:59 GMT
- While the visual effects are garish and cheesy, I remember the set design looking very nice and some of the costumes were cool.
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Post by PreachCaleb on May 29, 2018 21:42:35 GMT
ProsThe neon drenched Gotham The art direction Jim Carrey and Tommy Lee Jones are fun The movie isn't boring Val Kilmer is an alright Bruce Wayne It is the first Batman movie to delve into his backstory in any meaningful way It has a couple good action scenes Elliott Goldenthal's score The soundtrack Cons30 year old RobinTwo/Face is poorly written Riddler's evil plot doesn't make much sense Nicole Kidman's wooden acting Val Kilmer is a boring Batman It's a little TOO campy Yes! Took the words out of my mouth. He had his own motorcycle and didn't look like a kid who need taking in. |
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Post by moviemouth on May 29, 2018 21:44:01 GMT
Con- Batman seems to have some repressed memory about why he became Batman?That isn't how I see it. He is just haunted by his past. That is how I always took it. It never once crossed my mind that it means repressed memories. |
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2018 21:56:31 GMT
Pros:
- opening scene kicked assed. the way he took out all those goons and went up to space and escaped back down was badass.
- jim carrey was pretty good
- would be great to see another rendition of Riddler in a future batman movie
Cons:
- large door that he kicked down was obvisouly made from plastic
- acting was too tacky/campy
- two face was too joker like
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Post by moviebuffbrad on May 29, 2018 21:57:33 GMT
Pros:
I disagree with others, Batman is actually a character this time. Has an arc and everything.
Jim Carrey. Yeah, he's campy, but Gorshin had defined the character at that point.
I'd take this Robin over Detective John Blake or whatever.
It's not Elfman, but the new score isn't bad.
Cons:
Everything Two-Face. Glossing over his backstory, needlessly recasting him, making him a clown, getting grumpy old TLJ to try to out-ham prime Jim Carrey. A disaster all around.
I'd slam Nicole Kidman like my name isn't Tom Cruise, but her horny fangirl psychologist is ridiculous.
Casting a 48 year old as the Boy Wonder.
Val Killer might be the worst big screen Bats to date. At least Clooney had the Bruce Wayne playboy persona. Kilmer is just vacant the whole time.
Gay nightclub Gotham.
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Post by marth on May 29, 2018 21:59:40 GMT
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Post by PreachCaleb on May 29, 2018 22:01:08 GMT
That isn't how I see it. He is just haunted by his past. That is how I always took it. It never once crossed my mind that it means repressed memories. Isn't there a scene where he's unsure of what the dreams mean? I'll have to rewatch. |
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Post by moviemouth on May 29, 2018 22:15:33 GMT
That isn't how I see it. He is just haunted by his past. That is how I always took it. It never once crossed my mind that it means repressed memories. Isn't there a scene where he's unsure of what the dreams mean? I'll have to rewatch. Yes, but not in that he doesn't remember why he became Batman. I think he is worried that he can't tell the difference between himself and Batman anymore and that is why he talks to Kidman's character and wants to know more about the meaning of dreams. This isn't exactly a very well written movie. |
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Post by moviemouth on May 29, 2018 22:39:40 GMT
Pros: I disagree with others, Batman is actually a character this time. Has an arc and everything. Jim Carrey. Yeah, he's campy, but Gorshin had defined the character at that point. I'd take this Robin over Detective John Blake or whatever. It's not Elfman, but the new score isn't bad. Cons: Everything Two-Face. Glossing over his backstory, needlessly recasting him, making him a clown, getting grumpy old TLJ to try to out-ham prime Jim Carrey. A disaster all around. I'd slam Nicole Kidman like my name isn't Tom Cruise, but her horny fangirl psychologist is ridiculous. Casting a 48 year old as the Boy Wonder. Val Killer might be the worst big screen Bats to date. At least Clooney had the Bruce Wayne playboy persona. Kilmer is just vacant the whole time.
Gay nightclub Gotham. I think that is the point. I wouldn't say vacant either, the part where he is talking to Robin in the Batcave is actually a very well acted scene imo. This one is trying to show that Bruce Wayne is a very disturbed person and Val Kilmer plays him as such. Clooney's performance is extremely shallow all around. |
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Post by rateater on May 29, 2018 22:42:32 GMT
pro - the court room scene when twoface gets acid thrown at him has batman wearing the 89/92 style batsuit.
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Post by moviebuffbrad on May 29, 2018 22:55:49 GMT
Pros: I disagree with others, Batman is actually a character this time. Has an arc and everything. Jim Carrey. Yeah, he's campy, but Gorshin had defined the character at that point. I'd take this Robin over Detective John Blake or whatever. It's not Elfman, but the new score isn't bad. Cons: Everything Two-Face. Glossing over his backstory, needlessly recasting him, making him a clown, getting grumpy old TLJ to try to out-ham prime Jim Carrey. A disaster all around. I'd slam Nicole Kidman like my name isn't Tom Cruise, but her horny fangirl psychologist is ridiculous. Casting a 48 year old as the Boy Wonder. Val Killer might be the worst big screen Bats to date. At least Clooney had the Bruce Wayne playboy persona. Kilmer is just vacant the whole time.
Gay nightclub Gotham. I think that is the point. I wouldn't say vacant either, the part where he is talking to Robin in the Batcave is actually a very well acted scene imo. This one is trying to show that Bruce Wayne is a very disturbed person and Val Kilmer plays him as such. Clooney's performance is extremely shallow all around. There's a difference between haunted (which I think Keaton excelled at) and just wooden, which is what Kilmer came across as to me. |
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Post by moviemouth on May 29, 2018 23:03:06 GMT
I think that is the point. I wouldn't say vacant either, the part where he is talking to Robin in the Batcave is actually a very well acted scene imo. This one is trying to show that Bruce Wayne is a very disturbed person and Val Kilmer plays him as such. Clooney's performance is extremely shallow all around. There's a difference between haunted (which I think Keaton excelled at) and just wooden, which is what Kilmer came across as to me. Val Kilmer plays haunted alright in the film but I mean that his character has become more numb. I think that is what he is going for and while I don't think his performance is good, it is much better than Clooney's non-existant performance. He just plays goofy George Clooney the entire time. I am in the middle on Kilmer's performance. He's somewhere in between Keaton/Conroy/Bale and George Clooney/Adam West. Ben Affleck is somewhere in the middle too. |
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2018 23:11:46 GMT
Pros
Val Kilmer looks the part
Nicole Kidman is pretty good in a role that mainly requires nothing more of her than looking pretty
The sets are not quite as insane as they would become in Batman and Robin
Jim Carey is goofy funny as The Riddler
The fight scenes with Batman are very good, some of the best in the series, major props to the stuntman for Batman
The new score is pretty good
Cons
Val Kilmer doesn't really act the part and he mostly doesn't have to
The Robin character was unnecessary
Tommy Lee Jones completely wrong for Two Face
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Post by twothousandonemark on May 29, 2018 23:15:19 GMT
Pro
- It works as playful comic book outing, without being campy like Batman '66 or stupid like B&R.
Con
- Ppl who think it's bad because it's not something else like Batman '89 or Returns.
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