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Post by DSDSquared on Jun 27, 2018 18:03:57 GMT
I don't care about color or gender either, I want the right person for the job. Did you have an example of the wrong person getting the job?I don't understand how Black Lives Matter is a hate group. They protest police brutality and racial inequality (which are real things), they don't protest white people. The KKK historically rallies against racial equality (to put it mildly). That's as basic as I can possibly make it sound. You know what? Plenty of people have a backstory similar to yours, and the absolute fact is it's much more common for women and minorities to be in that situation than you or I. And there are fewer opportunities to help them get out of it. This thread is about something as ridiculous as the entertainment industry and even it shows how the deck is stacked against minorities. Nobody is asking for a handout here, they're asking for an even playing field. Anyway where did I make excuses for anyone? How exactly am I 'making the problem worse?' I suppose I'm making your problem worse by pointing out the inequality that you'd prefer not to acknowledge. I've seen struggle, real struggle, firsthand. It makes me appreciate where I am today but it also gives me perspective and empathy for those less fortunate than I am now. It's surprising that someone with your background can't understand these things. i do. i was trying to get hired at a school over a summer about 16or so years ago and it was down to me and this other lady. i had all my qualifications in order. i was licensed, i was fingerprinted and cleared by the city and state, i had my masters which is not needed starting out but good to get out of the way, i had everything. the lady next to me had: um... nothing. she was in the process of getting licensed, had not been fingerprinted by anyplace yet.... i don't think she had her masters degree yet. what she DID have that i didn't were 6 kids at home with no other parent. guess who got the job. ps: and there's a reason why i saved this for last... she was black and i am white. I know it sounds like I am being an ignorant piece of crap. I should fight against you here. Being on your side of the argument is the minority and 'bad' side, but I just can't. You are 100% correct. I work for the government and am in a pretty high position here. I know first hand that people are hired based on their sex or color and not their experience. I see it happen all of the time. If we need to hire someone onto an Executive Board, especially, we need to ensure that they are a minority of some sort to check off our diversity boxes to the point where I am one of the few white males left. Once again, I am not against hiring anyone if they are the most qualified, but that is not the case with minorities anymore. Think about it. It is more than okay to say you hired a new Associate Director because she was a Hispanic female, for example. Leadership will even brag about it and bring up her sex and ethnicity any time they can. Imagine if I hired a white male and always introduced them as such? That would be weird and racist. The hypocrisy today would be hilarious if it were not so sad.
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Post by Primemovermithrax Pejorative on Jun 27, 2018 18:15:57 GMT
Just accept that white supremacy is over. You'll feel better and have less stress. But that slogan doesn't address the reality. It has nothing to do with supremacy except in your neurotic mind. It is just about fair representation and self-determination and the logistics of art and audiences. To use something you understand, are you upset that Scooby Doo is about a group of white people and a dog solving crimes? Do you feel it is really a KKK-inspired vigilante gang?
If I walk down the street and see a room full of white people, that doesn't mean it is a KKK meeting. It is just biology. Ideology has nothing to do with it.
Hollywood is driven by an agenda of forced multiculturalism and liberal propaganda, this is why they are losing audiences. It is far removed from artistic expression. Art has to contain natural truths or it is propaganda.
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Post by PreachCaleb on Jun 27, 2018 18:18:25 GMT
I don't care about color or gender either, I want the right person for the job. Did you have an example of the wrong person getting the job?I don't understand how Black Lives Matter is a hate group. They protest police brutality and racial inequality (which are real things), they don't protest white people. The KKK historically rallies against racial equality (to put it mildly). That's as basic as I can possibly make it sound. You know what? Plenty of people have a backstory similar to yours, and the absolute fact is it's much more common for women and minorities to be in that situation than you or I. And there are fewer opportunities to help them get out of it. This thread is about something as ridiculous as the entertainment industry and even it shows how the deck is stacked against minorities. Nobody is asking for a handout here, they're asking for an even playing field. Anyway where did I make excuses for anyone? How exactly am I 'making the problem worse?' I suppose I'm making your problem worse by pointing out the inequality that you'd prefer not to acknowledge. I've seen struggle, real struggle, firsthand. It makes me appreciate where I am today but it also gives me perspective and empathy for those less fortunate than I am now. It's surprising that someone with your background can't understand these things. i do. i was trying to get hired at a school over a summer about 16or so years ago and it was down to me and this other lady. i had all my qualifications in order. i was licensed, i was fingerprinted and cleared by the city and state, i had my masters which is not needed starting out but good to get out of the way, i had everything. the lady next to me had: um... nothing. she was in the process of getting licensed, had not been fingerprinted by anyplace yet.... i don't think she had her masters degree yet. what she DID have that i didn't were 6 kids at home with no other parent. guess who got the job. ps: and there's a reason why i saved this for last... she was black and i am white. Did she tell you she didn't have her Masters? Why would you "think" that? Plus, as you said, it wasn't needed so not having it doesn't mean anything. Why was she "wrong" for the job? She's getting licensed? Great. She no doubt got it. So she's equal to you there once she gets it. Not really a race to see who gets it first. Not been fingerprinted? Well that's not a skill nor a qualification. She can go get that easily. 6 kids at home? What does that matter? She's not gonna bring them to work with her. So the only thing that really makes her "wrong" is that she's black? Everyone knows qualifications don't get you the job. Qualifications get you an interview. The interview gets you the job. She probably just gave a great interview.
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Post by sostie on Jun 27, 2018 18:57:19 GMT
That's too vague an answer. You need to analyze by film and story content (as well as audience reach). And also who is behind the camera. How many native Western Europeans are writing or directing or producing? How many own the studio (who supplies the money is important too since they dictate content)? I.e. THOR 2011 -- They made an important (if not the most important) character in Asgard a black man. They also made Jane Foster an Israeli. We can even ponder why Thor is portrayed by an Australian. No one in North America or Western Europe qualified or they simply didn't want to look for one closer to home? That in itself is likely due to Globalist ideology and its opposition to regionalism (unless it is set in Wakanda). Most important? Really? Maybe in Norse myth but not in the comic. Is it that big a deal that there is someone who is not white on another realm galaxies away? Maybe if the Thor film was under the stewardship of Norwegians centuries ago which reflected the world they knew then, but it isn't. It's a secondary character based on a comic that was very loosely based on Norse mythology. Elba was good in the role and basically no one, other than the few thousand that supported the twitter campaign started by a white supremecist group, really gave a flying fuck. I can't recall a single reference in Marvel films to Jane Foster being Israeli. Or do you mean Natalie Portman is Israeli therefore the character is? Well Portman was born in Israel, raised in the US since she was toddler, and has dual US-Israeli nationality, has an American mother, and Israeli father and grandparents were Polish on one side and American citizens from Austria and Russia on the other. Seemingly though just the Israeli part of her heritage is of concern, and really must be the only reason she was cast. They also "made" Loki English and Odin Welsh...why is that not a problem? Maybe all the actors from an intergalactic realm based on Norse mythology were not good enough, so they cast someone they felt the best for the role. You mean "white North America or Western European". Idris Elba is Western European. Or do you mean "North America or Western Europe that can trace their local ancestry back to so many generations". Natalie Portman is American. Guess what...these films are released internationally. The overseas market is bigger than the domestic one. And some of these characters are neither North America or Western European You mean Valkyrie? Nope she was white...not specifically European Do you mean Tessa Thompson/Valkyrie again? Palastinian? Think you misread somewhere. She was born & raised in the USA...her dad was Panamanian, her mother Mexican/European As a fan of the comics and Marvel for most of my life, it really didn't matter...and she excelled in the role. But hey at least she meets the North American criteria. Makes me wonder who exactly they are trying to placate. You seem to have a problem with white females as well....who are represented very well. If this was a film set a specific time on Earth then maybe you could accuse Star Wars of forced diversity...but this is a fantasy universe. It has different races, species, aliens, robots etc. Complaining about the represntation of white males in a galaxy a long time ago,far far away. Really? The Empire has always been represented as being mostly white and male for 40 years now...so really there is no change in the status quo there. So are there too many black or asian characters beings forced upon us? Well if the worldwide population has more people of the Asian and Black "race" than White...so basically you want it to be less representative? Breakdown the main positive characters by race...4 white, 1 black, 1 latino, 1 Asian...you got what you want. Of course you would...because you a talking about the first black character to ever have their own comic title, a character created to appeal to and represent African-Americans. He is no way the same as any secondary and minor character who may have had their race/sex changed, and the others are nowhere near as culturally important. Wakanda is an African country that has been isolated from the outside world for centuries...hence a 99% black cast. Nothing to do with promoting any sort of diversity
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Jun 27, 2018 19:05:22 GMT
I don't care about color or gender either, I want the right person for the job. Did you have an example of the wrong person getting the job?I don't understand how Black Lives Matter is a hate group. They protest police brutality and racial inequality (which are real things), they don't protest white people. The KKK historically rallies against racial equality (to put it mildly). That's as basic as I can possibly make it sound. You know what? Plenty of people have a backstory similar to yours, and the absolute fact is it's much more common for women and minorities to be in that situation than you or I. And there are fewer opportunities to help them get out of it. This thread is about something as ridiculous as the entertainment industry and even it shows how the deck is stacked against minorities. Nobody is asking for a handout here, they're asking for an even playing field. Anyway where did I make excuses for anyone? How exactly am I 'making the problem worse?' I suppose I'm making your problem worse by pointing out the inequality that you'd prefer not to acknowledge. I've seen struggle, real struggle, firsthand. It makes me appreciate where I am today but it also gives me perspective and empathy for those less fortunate than I am now. It's surprising that someone with your background can't understand these things. i do. i was trying to get hired at a school over a summer about 16or so years ago and it was down to me and this other lady. i had all my qualifications in order. i was licensed, i was fingerprinted and cleared by the city and state, i had my masters which is not needed starting out but good to get out of the way, i had everything. the lady next to me had: um... nothing. she was in the process of getting licensed, had not been fingerprinted by anyplace yet.... i don't think she had her masters degree yet. what she DID have that i didn't were 6 kids at home with no other parent. guess who got the job. ps: and there's a reason why i saved this for last... she was black and i am white. How do you know so much about the other candidate? You don't actually have to answer that, I don't want you to have to write anymore fiction today. It is a great example of the worst case scenario for hateful bigots to rally around though, I'll give you that. But hey, in the words of the other guy:
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Jun 27, 2018 19:12:02 GMT
Brilliant post, sostie. But the post you replied to was borderline (not even borderline, really) psychotic so I doubt you made a dent.
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Post by Morgana on Jun 27, 2018 19:15:35 GMT
I agree there are plenty of films and television to choose from. You don't have to watch anything.
However, here is the problem I think I hear most from people.
Why add or change characters for the sake of diversity? For example, "Beauty and the Beast" (2017). Why is Lafeou gay? He wasn't gay in the animated film you are remaking. Why are there so many black citizens in 1700s France? Why are there so many interracial couples in 1700s France?
I mean, if it were a modern retelling set in 2017, then fine. I don't care, take all the liberties you want. When people have backlash, it's when you change or add things that aren't necessary.
However, I don't hear people complaining that LBGTQQXR films are being made, or on Television when it's original content.
Another example is feminism. Nobody cared that Wonder Woman was made, it was quite successful financially and critically. It was a lead female heroine. They didn't say "Oh, they are making a female superhero film and forcing it down our throats", but "Ghostbusters" (2016) caught a lot of flack because it was an all female cast remake of a film that was all males before.
You see the difference? I agree with the points you've made. That kind of thing does upset me a little.
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Post by deembastille on Jun 27, 2018 19:16:54 GMT
i do. i was trying to get hired at a school over a summer about 16or so years ago and it was down to me and this other lady. i had all my qualifications in order. i was licensed, i was fingerprinted and cleared by the city and state, i had my masters which is not needed starting out but good to get out of the way, i had everything. the lady next to me had: um... nothing. she was in the process of getting licensed, had not been fingerprinted by anyplace yet.... i don't think she had her masters degree yet. what she DID have that i didn't were 6 kids at home with no other parent. guess who got the job. ps: and there's a reason why i saved this for last... she was black and i am white. Did she tell you she didn't have her Masters? Why would you "think" that? Plus, as you said, it wasn't needed so not having it doesn't mean anything. Why was she "wrong" for the job? She's getting licensed? Great. She no doubt got it. So she's equal to you there once she gets it. Not really a race to see who gets it first. Not been fingerprinted? Well that's not a skill nor a qualification. She can go get that easily. 6 kids at home? What does that matter? She's not gonna bring them to work with her. So the only thing that really makes her "wrong" is that she's black? Everyone knows qualifications don't get you the job. Qualifications get you an interview. The interview gets you the job. She probably just gave a great interview. yes she did tell me she didn't have her masters. she also told me all the things i told you here. how else would i have known? being fingerprinted by the city AND THE STATE IS a qualification. and being licensed? would you hire a guy to drive your cab when he takes his driving test next week??? srsly??? she got the position and i didn't because she had 6 kids and was black. i didn't even though i was more qualified. and they hired her without her giving a lesson. i had to give a lesson. she still got the position when they had no way of knowing how she taught. she got the position because she was black and the administration would probably be killed if she didn't. even back then everyone was scared.
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Post by bd74 on Jun 27, 2018 19:17:19 GMT
Race/EthnicityCaucasian: 61.3% African-American: 12.7% Hispanic: 17.8% Asian: 5.6% Other: 2.6% Race/EthnicityCaucasian: 94 (72.3%, +11) African-American: 15 (11.5%. -1.2) Hispanic: 9 (6.9%, -10.9) Asian: 6 (4.6%, -1) Other: 6 (4.6%, +2) Why are there more AA characters than Hispanic ones if Hispanics are a larger percentage of the population than AAs?
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Post by deembastille on Jun 27, 2018 19:17:32 GMT
Brilliant post, sostie. But the post you replied to was borderline (not even borderline, really) psychotic so I doubt you made a dent. you posted sostie saying nothing... soooo....
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Jun 27, 2018 19:18:39 GMT
Did she tell you she didn't have her Masters? Why would you "think" that? Plus, as you said, it wasn't needed so not having it doesn't mean anything. Why was she "wrong" for the job? She's getting licensed? Great. She no doubt got it. So she's equal to you there once she gets it. Not really a race to see who gets it first. Not been fingerprinted? Well that's not a skill nor a qualification. She can go get that easily. 6 kids at home? What does that matter? She's not gonna bring them to work with her. So the only thing that really makes her "wrong" is that she's black? Everyone knows qualifications don't get you the job. Qualifications get you an interview. The interview gets you the job. She probably just gave a great interview. yes she did tell me she didn't have her masters. she also told me all the things i told you here. how else would i have known? being fingerprinted by the city AND THE STATE IS a qualification. and being licensed? would you hire a guy to drive your cab when he takes his driving test next week??? srsly??? she got the position and i didn't because she had 6 kids and was black. i didn't even though i was more qualified. and they hired her without her giving a lesson. i had to give a lesson. she still got the position when they had no way of knowing how she taught. she got the position because she was black and the administration would probably be killed if she didn't. even back then everyone was scared. If you teach the way you type, I think they made the right call.
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Jun 27, 2018 19:21:41 GMT
Brilliant post, sostie. But the post you replied to was borderline (not even borderline, really) psychotic so I doubt you made a dent. you posted sostie saying nothing... soooo.... I didn't want to clog the page with a massive quote, and the people who should read it probably didn't read it the first time anyway. Everyone wins.
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Post by PreachCaleb on Jun 27, 2018 19:22:33 GMT
Did she tell you she didn't have her Masters? Why would you "think" that? Plus, as you said, it wasn't needed so not having it doesn't mean anything. Why was she "wrong" for the job? She's getting licensed? Great. She no doubt got it. So she's equal to you there once she gets it. Not really a race to see who gets it first. Not been fingerprinted? Well that's not a skill nor a qualification. She can go get that easily. 6 kids at home? What does that matter? She's not gonna bring them to work with her. So the only thing that really makes her "wrong" is that she's black? Everyone knows qualifications don't get you the job. Qualifications get you an interview. The interview gets you the job. She probably just gave a great interview. being fingerprinted by the city AND THE STATE IS a qualification. and was black. i didn't even though i was more qualified. and they hired her without her giving a lesson. i had to give a lesson. she still got the position when they had no way of knowing how she taught. and the administration would probably be killed if she didn't. even back then everyone was scared. Then what was with the "I think"?
How far along is he to get it? And that matters why? Or she's just a better interview. Again, your qualifications do not guarantee you any job. They never will. Any district would rather hire a teacher that has a positive personality/attitude to teach children. Her interview was probably so good, they didn't feel a need to test her.
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Post by deembastille on Jun 27, 2018 19:22:36 GMT
i do. i was trying to get hired at a school over a summer about 16or so years ago and it was down to me and this other lady. i had all my qualifications in order. i was licensed, i was fingerprinted and cleared by the city and state, i had my masters which is not needed starting out but good to get out of the way, i had everything. the lady next to me had: um... nothing. she was in the process of getting licensed, had not been fingerprinted by anyplace yet.... i don't think she had her masters degree yet. what she DID have that i didn't were 6 kids at home with no other parent. guess who got the job. ps: and there's a reason why i saved this for last... she was black and i am white. How do you know so much about the other candidate? You don't actually have to answer that, I don't want you to have to write anymore fiction today. It is a great example of the worst case scenario for hateful bigots to rally around though, I'll give you that. But hey, in the words of the other guy: she honest to god told me everything while we were waiting to be interviewed. this really wasn't fiction nor is what i am saying now fiction. this really did happen. i even knew i wouldn't get the job as soon as she told me she was a single mother of 6 kids. they [and the world] give the jobs to people who NEED it rather than those who are qualified. i agree with you regarding work hard and do something with yourself. problem is, many people from many cultures DON'T and want YOU TO PAY THEIR WAY!
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Post by bd74 on Jun 27, 2018 19:22:46 GMT
Why add or change characters for the sake of diversity? For example, "Beauty and the Beast" (2017). Why is Lafeou gay? He wasn't gay in the animated film you are remaking. Why are there so many black citizens in 1700s France? Why are there so many interracial couples in 1700s France?
I mean, if it were a modern retelling set in 2017, then fine. I don't care, take all the liberties you want. When people have backlash, it's when you change or add things that aren't necessary. Yeah, I remember hearing a couple of years ago that they wanted to make James Bond black. Why? They were thinking of casting Idris Elba as Bond. Why? It's pointless and stupid. Hell, they already made Miss Moneypenny black.
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Post by deembastille on Jun 27, 2018 19:23:01 GMT
yes she did tell me she didn't have her masters. she also told me all the things i told you here. how else would i have known? being fingerprinted by the city AND THE STATE IS a qualification. and being licensed? would you hire a guy to drive your cab when he takes his driving test next week??? srsly??? she got the position and i didn't because she had 6 kids and was black. i didn't even though i was more qualified. and they hired her without her giving a lesson. i had to give a lesson. she still got the position when they had no way of knowing how she taught. she got the position because she was black and the administration would probably be killed if she didn't. even back then everyone was scared. If you teach the way you type, I think they made the right call. of course not.
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Post by sostie on Jun 27, 2018 19:29:13 GMT
Why add or change characters for the sake of diversity? For example, "Beauty and the Beast" (2017). Why is Lafeou gay? He wasn't gay in the animated film you are remaking. Why are there so many black citizens in 1700s France? Why are there so many interracial couples in 1700s France?
I mean, if it were a modern retelling set in 2017, then fine. I don't care, take all the liberties you want. When people have backlash, it's when you change or add things that aren't necessary. Yeah, I remember hearing a couple of years ago that they wanted to make James Bond black. Why? They were thinking of casting Idris Elba as Bond. Why? It's pointless and stupid. Hell, they already made Miss Moneypenny black. Well there have been theories for decades that "James Bond" is actually a code-name given to a certain elite agent. It was kind of scuppered with Skyfall and his parents grave, but there are still theories that it still was a codename...he just wasn't aware. The former idea would have allowed Elba to slip into the role..though maybe not so easy now.
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Post by Primemovermithrax Pejorative on Jun 27, 2018 19:34:02 GMT
Goddam you and your he said she said replies! Most important? Really? Maybe in Norse myth but not in the comic. Is it that big a deal that there is someone who is not white on another realm galaxies away? Maybe if the Thor film was under the stewardship of Norwegians centuries ago which reflected the world they knew then, but it isn't. ********************He is a very important character in the movie. The protector of the realm. While Odin is fussing about his failures as a parent, the gatekeeper is there deciding who is let in and who isn't. All that is missing is quotes from an Obama speech.
I can't recall a single reference in Marvel films to Jane Foster being Israeli. ********************************************exactly. She isn't. But they chose an Israeli actress for it. They could have chosen someone of native European ancestry as the comic depictions clearly suggested. The choice of actress was political or tribal nepotism--which is of course the hypocrisy/audacity. The same people bitching about white homogeneity are the most obsessed with their own tribal unity.They also "made" Loki English and Odin Welsh...why is that not a problem? ************************************sure it could be a problem--maybe they could have found Scandinavian actors for the lot of it, but they are a lot closer genetically and visually to the source than someone who is African. This is common sense stuff. If they had made Wakanda multicultural there would be less of a problem with it since it would show a commitment to multiculturalism--but in fact, it is only directed towards European heritage.
Maybe all the actors from an intergalactic realm based on Norse mythology were not good enough, so they cast someone they felt the best for the role. *************nah, merit has nothing to do with it.
Guess what...these films are released internationally. The overseas market is bigger than the domestic one. And some of these characters are neither North America or Western European ***********************which is precisely why arts in the West is failing--there has never in the history of the world been something called Global art. It always reflected the heritage of some people, even if it was set elsewhere. Imagine Shakespeare being told that Hamlet needs to incorporate cultural ideas that resonate with Burmese or Brazillians. It would be incoherent.Do you mean Tessa Thompson/Valkyrie again? Palastinian? Think you misread somewhere. She was born & raised in the USA...her dad was Panamanian, her mother Mexican/European AYou seem to have a problem with white females as well....who are represented very well. If this was a film set a specific time on Earth then maybe you could accuse Star Wars of forced diversity...but this is a fantasy universe. It has different races, species, aliens, robots etc. Complaining about the represntation of white males in a galaxy a long time ago,far far away. Really? ***************************************Star Wars IS liberal propaganda. It always was. The problem is that they kept dialing it up over time while diminishing the artistic value and storytelling merits until it lost the audience. Luke was a beta male who is destine to be a great warrior, and he defeats an establishment of white guys using magic. That is not a traditional kind of adventure or fantasy narrative message.
The Empire has always been represented as being mostly white and male for 40 years now...so really there is no change in the status quo there. So are there too many black or asian characters beings forced upon us? Well if the worldwide population has more people of the Asian and Black "race" than White...so basically you want it to be less representative? Breakdown the main positive characters by race...4 white, 1 black, 1 latino, 1 Asian...you got what you want.***************** **most Star Wars fans would have little problem with it if it was entertaining. Unfortunately one of the side effects of Liberalism is that it erodes traditional artistic merit. Liberalism is based on equality and a lack of differences--traditionally art and beauty have been dictated by merit-as in it has merit to the public. Art is not traditionally democratic. Globalist corporate art by its definition is incoherent. They claim to be appealing to all audiences across the globe at once-but that is impossible because different cultures have different standards for art, comedy, etc.Of course you would...because you a talking about the first black character to ever have their own comic title, a character created to appeal to and represent African-Americans. He is no way the same as any secondary and minor character who may have had their race/sex changed, and the others are nowhere near as culturally important .***********************there have been black superhero movies before. Abar was the first in 1977, it even predated Superman the movie. Spawn, Blade, etc. And there were tons of movies made in the 70s with black stars and almost entirely black cast. Wakanda is an African country that has been isolated from the outside world for centuries...hence a 99% black cast. Nothing to do with promoting any sort of diversity *******************************what about Asgard? The black gatekeeper of the realm and the warrior woman changing race defies your theory. The fact is that Disney co. is driven by political aims. It has the exact polar opposite attitude that its founder had. Walt Disney wanted to appreciate European heritage, modern Disney despises it and wants it to disappear. Only a barbarian would be supportive of that agenda. It is Borg-like.
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Post by deembastille on Jun 27, 2018 19:48:34 GMT
Why add or change characters for the sake of diversity? For example, "Beauty and the Beast" (2017). Why is Lafeou gay? He wasn't gay in the animated film you are remaking. Why are there so many black citizens in 1700s France? Why are there so many interracial couples in 1700s France?
I mean, if it were a modern retelling set in 2017, then fine. I don't care, take all the liberties you want. When people have backlash, it's when you change or add things that aren't necessary. Yeah, I remember hearing a couple of years ago that they wanted to make James Bond black? Why????? They were thinking of casting Idris Elba as Bond. Why????? It's pointless and stupid. Hell, they already made Miss Moneypenny black. i went to a professional development at the NYhistorical society and the topic was a 'think and drink' [wine and cheese evening] with this guy who taught a college course in urban studies or something [i am unable to look up this information right now but it was in 2016. he said that when asked, Hispanic and black children DID NOT REACT POSITIVELY to a superhero [either new or retooled] being black or Hispanic.
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Post by sostie on Jun 27, 2018 20:58:40 GMT
Goddam you and your he said she said replies! He is a very important character in the movie. The protector of the realm. While Odin is fussing about his failures as a parent, the gatekeeper is there deciding who is let in and who isn't. All that is missing is quotes from an Obama speech. So it seems you have a problem with a black actor playing a character with some authority rather than wnat his race was in the comics. And just to clarify...Asgard in the comics is not the Asgard of Norse myth. In Norse myth it is created in their own image. In Marvel comics it is an "alien" realm whose inhabitants visited Earth and were considered gods. That it was initially created at a time when comics had few if any black characters is the reason why there are no black Asgardians, not because they are of Norse descent. Is the inclusion of one black Asgardian on a planet of white dudes really that big a deal? Surely there must be anough white guy representation for you. She has Polish, Austrian, Russian grandparents...some European in there The comic gives us no more than she is white and not blonde. Like Natalie Portman. The comic gives us nothing more about her heritage...could be French, English, German, Scandinavian, Baltic, a mixture. So now not matching up to an unspecified heritage of a fictional character, despite a visual match is a problem? Which of course would have worked out How stupid of me. They cast an Australian to appeal to the 25 million Australians, whilst alienating 325 million Americans. Despite him having a stronger European heritage than most American actors considered for the role. Which shouldn't really matter because ASGARD IS NOT ON EARTH Blockbuster movies are probably the closest you'll get to it. So should studios give up trying to have worldwide appeal, because if they do, films of this type will soon die out On the contrary, it reflects the hero myth studied in Joseph Campbell's "The Hero with a Thousand Faces" which Lucas used as the template for Star Wars So what. You argued that there would be uproar if a white actor "right for the role" got the part of Luke Cage. And I pointed out that there should be outrage, because unlike other characters who may have their race changed Luke Cages race defines him, is the reason he was created and makes himculturally important. I'm talking about Wakanda and why a "99%" black cast is not a big deal. I've already mentioned why a black character in Asgard it's not a big dea.
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