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Post by WarrenPeace on Jun 17, 2018 16:44:56 GMT
“The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom, and knowledge of the Holy One is understanding.” Proverbs 9:10 “Fear is the path to the dark side. Fear leads to anger. Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to suffering.” Yoda There is a lot of truth in that line. I dunno about you man, but I'd rather have belief in a god or a spiritual being where the negative emotion of fear is not required.
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Post by President Ackbar™ on Jun 17, 2018 16:59:04 GMT
The idea of "spiritual" stuff is a nice fantasy How do you explain ghost sightings? And there have been photos. Were all those proven to be fakes? ![](https://media.giphy.com/media/4lnjoh271cCiY/giphy.gif)
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Post by Terrapin Station on Jun 17, 2018 18:08:12 GMT
The idea of "spiritual" stuff is a nice fantasy, and I'd especially really, really like for spiritual and supernatural stuff to be true when it comes to ghosts, vampires, and other horror literature tropes, but there's zero evidence for any of that stuff, and even aside from empirical evidence there are zero good reasons to believe any spiritual, supernatural etc. claims, since most of it is completely tenuous if not outright incoherent philosophically. How do you explain ghost sightings? And there have been photos. Were all those proven to be fakes? Depends on the sighting/photo. It's not going to be the same explanation for each one.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2018 18:20:46 GMT
The idea of "spiritual" stuff is a nice fantasy, and I'd especially really, really like for spiritual and supernatural stuff to be true when it comes to ghosts, vampires, and other horror literature tropes, but there's zero evidence for any of that stuff, and even aside from empirical evidence there are zero good reasons to believe any spiritual, supernatural etc. claims, since most of it is completely tenuous if not outright incoherent philosophically. How do you explain ghost sightings? And there have been photos. Were all those proven to be fakes? Do Ghost Ackbar posts qualify as ghost sightings? BOO!
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Post by lowtacks86 on Jun 17, 2018 18:21:00 GMT
"Atheists who refuse to embrace even the notion of an spirituality?" The two aren't mutually exclusive. Many Buddhists are actually atheists. I'm not all that aware of what Buddhists believe in. If they have spiritual beliefs how can they be considered as atheists? It depends on what context you're using the word "spiritual" in. If you're refering to spirits, ghosts, demons, etc, well yeah obviously atheists don't believe in stuff like that (it's just too silly and absurd). Here's how wikipedia refers to spirituality:
Modern systems of spirituality may include a belief in a supernatural (beyond the known and observable) realm,[5] personal growth,[6] a quest for an ultimate or sacred meaning,[7] religious experience,[8] or an encounter with one's own "inner dimension."[9].
Several of those things (personal growth, ultimate meaning, inner dimension) can be done through secular means.
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Post by Catman on Jun 17, 2018 19:00:48 GMT
Cats.
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Post by President Ackbar™ on Jun 17, 2018 19:24:57 GMT
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Post by clusium on Jun 17, 2018 19:32:39 GMT
"Atheists who refuse to embrace even the notion of an spirituality?" The two aren't mutually exclusive. Many Buddhists are actually atheists. I'm not all that aware of what Buddhists believe in. If they have spiritual beliefs how can they be considered as atheists? Buddhism rejects belief in a Supreme Creator, however it has numerous non-creator deities. So, a person can practice Buddhism without believing in any of its gods or goddesses. A person can follow Judaism without believing in God.
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Post by Terrapin Station on Jun 17, 2018 19:40:29 GMT
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Post by lowtacks86 on Jun 17, 2018 19:45:53 GMT
I'm not all that aware of what Buddhists believe in. If they have spiritual beliefs how can they be considered as atheists? Buddhism rejects belief in a Supreme Creator, however it has numerous non-creator deities. So, a person can practice Buddhism without believing in any of its gods or goddesses. A person can follow Judaism without believing in God. "A person can follow Judaism without believing in God."
I'm rather confused on that since one of the tenants of Judaism is worshiping Yahwe/Jehovah. Unless you're referring to something like atheist Christians (atheists who base their morality on the teachings of Jesus but reject his divinity)
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Post by clusium on Jun 17, 2018 21:48:44 GMT
Buddhism rejects belief in a Supreme Creator, however it has numerous non-creator deities. So, a person can practice Buddhism without believing in any of its gods or goddesses. A person can follow Judaism without believing in God. "A person can follow Judaism without believing in God."
I'm rather confused on that since one of the tenants of Judaism is worshiping Yahwe/Jehovah. Unless you're referring to something like atheist Christians (atheists who base their morality on the teachings of Jesus but reject his divinity)
Yes.
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Post by WarrenPeace on Jun 18, 2018 3:42:07 GMT
How do you explain ghost sightings? And there have been photos. Were all those proven to be fakes? Do Ghost Ackbar posts qualify as ghost sightings? BOO! ![](https://s26.postimg.cc/xxn5mvzx5/hairrise.gif)
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2018 12:20:01 GMT
"Atheists who refuse to embrace even the notion of an spirituality?" The two aren't mutually exclusive. Many Buddhists are actually atheists. I'm not all that aware of what Buddhists believe in. If they have spiritual beliefs how can they be considered as atheists? Atheism is only about belief in god. One can have any other spiritual belief and so long as it doesn't include god, you're still an atheist.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2018 12:22:50 GMT
The idea of "spiritual" stuff is a nice fantasy, and I'd especially really, really like for spiritual and supernatural stuff to be true when it comes to ghosts, vampires, and other horror literature tropes, but there's zero evidence for any of that stuff, and even aside from empirical evidence there are zero good reasons to believe any spiritual, supernatural etc. claims, since most of it is completely tenuous if not outright incoherent philosophically. How do you explain ghost sightings? And there have been photos. Were all those proven to be fakes? It's not up to a skeptic to demonstrate that sightings and photos are not real. If somebody makes the claim that ghosts are real, it's up to that person to demonstrate that they are, and that no other explanation is possible. In other words, I don't have to prove that the photos are fakes. The people who took them need to prove that they aren't fakes. If this seems unreasonable, bear in mind that every single thing that is accepted by science has already passed this test, many times over.
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