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Post by Rodney Farber on Jun 17, 2018 15:36:59 GMT
Not to sound like a know it all, but there is a reason the old testament has rules we don't follow anymore. ... Everything changed with the birth of Jesus. ... I always find it fascinating that the people who don't like the rules that God established in the OT give Jesus the power to override God's rules. The best part is that they give Jesus the power to override the rules they don't like. For example, Michael Corleone, a Catholic, must have given Jesus the power to override, "Thou shalt not kill". Either (A) eating pork is forbidden, or (B) God made a mistake and Jesus was the messenger that corrected God's error, or (C) the OT is just a bunch of Bronse-Age folklore, or (D) the NT is just more folklore written by people who didn't like what a bunch of old fuddy-duddies wrote 500 years before them. Keep in mind, no part of the NT was written less than 20 years after Jesus died, so it's probably speculation anyway. |
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Jun 17, 2018 17:25:38 GMT
Not to sound like a know it all, but there is a reason the old testament has rules we don't follow anymore. ... Everything changed with the birth of Jesus. ... I always find it fascinating that the people who don't like the rules that God established in the OT give Jesus the power to override God's rules. The best part is that they give Jesus the power to override the rules they don't like. For example, Michael Corleone, a Catholic, must have given Jesus the power to override, "Thou shalt not kill". Either (A) eating pork is forbidden, or (B) God made a mistake and Jesus was the messenger that corrected God's error, or (C) the OT is just a bunch of Bronse-Age folklore, or (D) the NT is just more folklore written by people who didn't like what a bunch of old fuddy-duddies wrote 500 years before them. Keep in mind, no part of the NT was written less than 20 years after Jesus died, so it's probably speculation anyway. That's a ridiculous multiple choice. |
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Post by Eλευθερί on Jun 17, 2018 17:55:30 GMT
Strictly speaking, everything changed with the death of Jesus.
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Post by Eλευθερί on Jun 17, 2018 17:57:46 GMT
no part of the NT was written less than 20 years after Jesus died, so it's probably speculation anyway. You're assuming Jesus actually existed, and was not just a mythic hero. |
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Post by Cody™ on Jun 17, 2018 18:00:54 GMT
Not to sound like a know it all, but there is a reason the old testament has rules we don't follow anymore. ... Everything changed with the birth of Jesus. ... I always find it fascinating that the people who don't like the rules that God established in the OT give Jesus the power to override God's rules. The best part is that they give Jesus the power to override the rules they don't like. For example, Michael Corleone, a Catholic, must have given Jesus the power to override, "Thou shalt not kill". Either (A) eating pork is forbidden, or (B) God made a mistake and Jesus was the messenger that corrected God's error, or (C) the OT is just a bunch of Bronse-Age folklore, or (D) the NT is just more folklore written by people who didn't like what a bunch of old fuddy-duddies wrote 500 years before them. Keep in mind, no part of the NT was written less than 20 years after Jesus died, so it's probably speculation anyway. I feel your argument is weakened by the fact Jesus is God. If Jesus is God then he has the authority to override his own rules, does he not? |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2018 18:07:29 GMT
I always find it fascinating that the people who don't like the rules that God established in the OT give Jesus the power to override God's rules. The best part is that they give Jesus the power to override the rules they don't like. For example, Michael Corleone, a Catholic, must have given Jesus the power to override, "Thou shalt not kill". Either (A) eating pork is forbidden, or (B) God made a mistake and Jesus was the messenger that corrected God's error, or (C) the OT is just a bunch of Bronse-Age folklore, or (D) the NT is just more folklore written by people who didn't like what a bunch of old fuddy-duddies wrote 500 years before them. Keep in mind, no part of the NT was written less than 20 years after Jesus died, so it's probably speculation anyway. I feel your argument is weakened by the fact Jesus is God. If Jesus is God then he has the authority to override his own rules, does he not? Just out of curiosity, where in the bible does jesus say that the old rules need no longer be followed? |
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Post by Cody™ on Jun 17, 2018 18:32:05 GMT
I feel your argument is weakened by the fact Jesus is God. If Jesus is God then he has the authority to override his own rules, does he not? Just out of curiosity, where in the bible does jesus say that the old rules need no longer be followed? ““Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished.” Matthew 5:17-18I would add more but I’m currently watching Brazil v Switzerland as Coutinho curls a 25 yarder into the top corner. What A Goal! |
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Jun 17, 2018 18:44:36 GMT
I feel your argument is weakened by the fact Jesus is God. If Jesus is God then he has the authority to override his own rules, does he not? Just out of curiosity, where in the bible does jesus say that the old rules need no longer be followed? Jesus fulfilled the law - Probably upon his death. He said this in Matthew 5:17 If something is fulfilled, there is no longer a commitment to it. Jesus is simply a continuation of the plan put in place during the OT. There is no break or contradiction. That said, Christianity is more than the Gospels and there's plenty of verses to indicate Christians have no need for a land based law system. |
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Post by lowtacks86 on Jun 17, 2018 18:46:59 GMT
Don't bother trying to make sense of it, the Bible is basically a comic book series (ridiculous characters, a bunch of weird rules, different authors, continuity problems, retcons, fanboys constantly arguing over it, etc).
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Jun 17, 2018 18:51:47 GMT
Don't trying to make sense of it, the Bible is basically a comic book series (ridiculous characters, a bunch of weird rules, different authors, continuity problems, retcons, fanboys constantly arguing over it, etc). Of course, people who have no sense can;t make sense of anything. That's where all these whacky guesses abut stuff come from. It's always been odd to me that theophobiacs even start with the Mosaic Law. If they want to pretend there are issues, then why not start with the fact the Mosaic Law didn't exist for centuries. If one is too ignorant to know why the Law started then surely it would be an odd thing to know it wasn't the first iteration. I know, I know, that makes no sense either... |
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Post by Cody™ on Jun 17, 2018 18:52:00 GMT
Don't trying to make sense of it, the Bible is basically a comic book series (ridiculous characters, a bunch of weird rules, different authors, continuity problems, retcons, fanboys constantly arguing over it, etc). Yet it’s the world’s most important piece of literature ever created. |
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Post by lowtacks86 on Jun 17, 2018 18:54:29 GMT
Don't trying to make sense of it, the Bible is basically a comic book series (ridiculous characters, a bunch of weird rules, different authors, continuity problems, retcons, fanboys constantly arguing over it, etc). Yet it’s the world’s most important piece of literature ever created. That doesn't mean the Bible is true. Greek mythology is also highly influential, that doesn't mean Zeus is real. |
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Post by Cody™ on Jun 17, 2018 18:58:22 GMT
Yet it’s the world’s most important piece of literature ever created. That doesn't mean the Bible is true. Greek mythology is also highly influential, that doesn't mean Zeus is real. Straw man. |
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Post by lowtacks86 on Jun 17, 2018 19:04:56 GMT
Don't trying to make sense of it, the Bible is basically a comic book series (ridiculous characters, a bunch of weird rules, different authors, continuity problems, retcons, fanboys constantly arguing over it, etc). Of course, people who have no sense can;t make sense of anything. That's where all these whacky guesses abut stuff come from. It's always been odd to me that theophobiacs even start with the Mosaic Law. If they want to pretend there are issues, then why not start with the fact the Mosaic Law didn't exist for centuries. If one is too ignorant to know why the Law started then surely it would be an odd thing to know it wasn't the first iteration. I know, I know, that makes no sense either... "That's where all these whacky guesses abut stuff come from."
Yeah, that's why Christianity is so unified on how to interpret the Bible. Oh wait except it's not, that's why there's a bunch of churches/sects divided on "whacky guesses" on the Bible.
"It's always been odd to me that theophobiacs even start with the Mosaic Law."
Do they? Even putting Mosaic Law aside, there's plenty of stuff in the New Testament to criticize (homphobia and misogyny can be found in it as well). Mosaic Law/Old Testament probably gets the more disparagement because God is basically a genocidal maniac in that one, so they had to tone it down in the New Testament (which goes back to my comic book comparison of retcons/different authors)
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Jun 17, 2018 19:06:34 GMT
Yet it’s the world’s most important piece of literature ever created. That doesn't mean the Bible is true. Greek mythology is also highly influential, that doesn't mean Zeus is real. Doesn;t need to be true to easily answer these lol conundrums. |
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Post by lowtacks86 on Jun 17, 2018 19:06:45 GMT
That doesn't mean the Bible is true. Greek mythology is also highly influential, that doesn't mean Zeus is real. Straw man. If it's a "strawman", then it's only because I don't exactly get the point you're trying to get across. I don't deny it's influence, that doesn't automatically mean it's a book you base your morality on if that's what you're getting at. Mein Kampf is also highly influential.
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Post by lowtacks86 on Jun 17, 2018 19:08:40 GMT
That doesn't mean the Bible is true. Greek mythology is also highly influential, that doesn't mean Zeus is real. Doesn;t need to be true to easily answer these lol conundrums. I'm not even sure what that means, |
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Jun 17, 2018 19:16:23 GMT
lowtacks86Meh, Christians are pretty unified with this notion of the what Jesus did to the Mosaic Law unless you are going to segue into something else that can also be easily explained but slightly more controversial like hellfire or something. That's another thing about theophobiacs. They aren't interested in the right answer as long as they can waste time with the notion that there are different answers. I get it. It's an effective way to pretend you've won an argument. They're so cute when they do that. They definitely whine about more than that, but when it comes to the whole pork, mixed linens thing, it's entirely possible Noah's kids were eating bacon back in the day or wearing a polyester robe. So why not highlight the lol conundrum in reverse? I'm just trying to help liven up the fake arguments. That's another weird one. If theophobiacs actually read the NT, then surely they would know that it promises death and destruction on a far grander scale. Even Jesus said it. So if anything, it would be to our indoctrinal benefit to focus on Mosaic Law. Actually, in relation to what I said earlier about the lol conundrum being in reverse, it's entirely possible God killed more people prior to the Mosaic Law. So to freshen things up, theophobiacs may want to start there.
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Jun 17, 2018 19:17:37 GMT
Doesn;t need to be true to easily answer these lol conundrums. I'm not even sure what that means, That doesn;t surprise me but I'll simplify. I am arguing the Bible as if it's a work of fiction and yet you still cannot understand the story. It doesn't make sense lol... |
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Post by lowtacks86 on Jun 17, 2018 19:27:53 GMT
lowtacks86 Meh, Christians are pretty unified with this notion of the what Jesus did to the Mosaic Law unless you are going to segue into something else that can also be easily explained but slightly more controversial like hellfire or something. That's another thing about theophobiacs. They aren't interested in the right answer as long as they can waste time with the notion that there are different answers. I get it. It's an effective way to pretend you've won an argument. They're so cute when they do that. They definitely whine about more than that, but when it comes to the whole pork, mixed linens thing, it's entirely possible Noah's kids were eating bacon back in the day or wearing a polyester robe. So why not highlight the lol conundrum in reverse? I'm just trying to help liven up the fake arguments. That's another weird one. If theophobiacs actually read the NT, then surely they would know that it promises death and destruction on a far grander scale. Even Jesus said it. So if anything, it would be to our indoctrinal benefit to focus on Mosaic Law. Actually, in relation to what I said earlier about the lol conundrum being in reverse, it's entirely possible God killed more people prior to the Mosaic Law. So to freshen things up, theophobiacs may want to start there. "Meh, Christians are pretty unified with this notion of the what Jesus did to the Mosaic Law"
That still doesn't take away from my overall point, even Christians still make "whacky guess" on what much of the Bible means.
"They aren't interested in the right answer as long as they can waste time with the notion that there are different answers."
Obviously Christians feel the same way as is noted by the divisiveness/sects/churches with Christianity, as I've already pointed out.
"If theophobiacs actually read the NT, then surely they would know that it promises death and destruction on a far grander scale."
So God is arguably an even bigger homicidal maniac in the New Testament. Not exactly helping your case.
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