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Post by Aj_June on Jun 26, 2018 22:58:17 GMT
Hi all,
I wanted to ask if there have been movies made on novels of George Eliot? I have loved many of her works, especially Middlemarch, Adam Bede, Silas Marner, The Mill on the Floss and Romola. I have never came across major movie adaptations of her works but may be I just don't know?
I do also like to know if film adaptations have been made on works of Sir Walter Scott other than Ivanhoe? I liked Ivanhoe (1952) but have not seen any film adaptations for Waverley and Rob Roy.
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Post by mikef6 on Jun 26, 2018 23:40:46 GMT
Both have been primarily done on television as films and series. There were some early silent films of the best works of both authors, but I've not seen them. However, there was a 1995 version of ROB ROY starring Liam Neesam and Jessica Lange. Not my favorite, but I think others liked it. I'm a big fan of George Eliot's works and wish more films had been made out of her novels, especially THE MILL ON THE FLOSS, SILAS MARNER, and ADAM BEDE. Btw, I love the poem beneath your post. Who's the author and what is is from? Hey, I know the poem!!! Me, me, pick me Mistah Kottah! It is from Lord Of The Rings and describes the current condition of The Mines Of Moria.
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Post by spiderwort on Jun 26, 2018 23:45:03 GMT
Btw, I love the poem beneath your post. Who's the author and what is is from? Hey, I know the poem!!! Me, me, pick me Mistah Kottah! It is from Lord Of The Rings and describes the current condition of The Mines Of Moria. Thank you so much, mike (Mistah Kottah)!! I've never read Lord of the Rings (only The Hobbit), but I may have to reconsider that now. It's quite beautiful - the poem, I mean.
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Post by claudius on Jun 27, 2018 0:13:15 GMT
ROMOLA exists as a 1924 silent film with Lillian Gish and Ronald Colman. There was a 1985 BBC-TV adaptation of SILAS MARNER (with Ben Kinglsey), and it was updated into a film called A SIMPLE TWIST OF FATE directed and starring Steve Martin. There is a 1994 BBC-TV Serial of MIDDLEMARCH with Rufus Sewell.
As for Scott, the two novels I know that became films were QUENTIN DURWARD (a 1954 MGM film with Robert Taylor and Robert Morley) and THE TALISMAN. The latter had two: A Hollywood customer KING RICHARD AND THE CRUSADERS with George Sanders, Anthony Harvey, Rex Harrison and Virginia Mayo exclaiming "War! War! Richard Plantagenet! That's all you think about!" and a 1980 BBC-TV Serial that might be still available on Amazon Prime.
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Post by mattgarth on Jun 27, 2018 0:15:02 GMT
Also QUENTIN DURWARD (1957) with Robert Taylor
SILAS MARNER (1985) with Ben Kingsley
THE MILL ON THE FLOSS (1936) with Geraldine Fitzgerald
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Post by BATouttaheck on Jun 27, 2018 2:17:46 GMT
Aj_June A Simple Twist of Fate is a modern adaptation "Loosely based on the 1861 novel Silas Marner by George Eliot".
I got a kick out of reading this part Writers: George Eliot (novel), Steve Martin
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Post by Aj_June on Jun 27, 2018 15:25:50 GMT
Aj_June A Simple Twist of Fate is a modern adaptation "Loosely based on the 1861 novel Silas Marner by George Eliot".
I got a kick out of reading this part Writers: George Eliot (novel), Steve Martin Thanks, Bat! Silas Marner is very close to my heart because I read its abridged version when I was only 10. I like the theme of kindness and hope that this novel reflects.
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Post by BATouttaheck on Jun 27, 2018 15:30:17 GMT
Aj_JuneWe had to read it in High School and analyze it and read it aloud and even perform little skits … all of which I HATED doing and as a result I did not care for the book. A Simple Twist of Fate was really quite good. A serious Steve Martin is always a pleasure to watch. (imo)
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Post by Aj_June on Jun 27, 2018 15:34:02 GMT
ROMOLA exists as a 1924 silent film with Lillian Gish and Ronald Colman. There was a 1985 BBC-TV adaptation of SILAS MARNER (with Ben Kinglsey), and it was updated into a film called A SIMPLE TWIST OF FATE directed and starring Steve Martin. There is a 1994 BBC-TV Serial of MIDDLEMARCH with Rufus Sewell. As for Scott, the two novels I know that became films were QUENTIN DURWARD (a 1954 MGM film with Robert Taylor and Robert Morley) and THE TALISMAN. The latter had two: A Hollywood customer KING RICHARD AND THE CRUSADERS with George Sanders, Anthony Harvey, Rex Harrison and Virginia Mayo exclaiming "War! War! Richard Plantagenet! That's all you think about!" and a 1980 BBC-TV Serial that might be still available on Amazon Prime. Thanks Claudius! I don't know how easy it will be to find the ones you listed here in Australia but I will search for them at my library and other places. I am particularly exited to know if the BBC series made on Middlemarch. I think that they should consider making bigger projects of Eliot's works. Her works are way to good to be not known more widely.
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Post by Aj_June on Jun 27, 2018 15:40:16 GMT
Both have been primarily done on television as films and series. There were some early silent films of the best works of both authors, but I've not seen them. However, there was a 1995 version of ROB ROY starring Liam Neesam and Jessica Lange. Not my favorite, but I think others liked it. I'm a big fan of George Eliot's works and wish more films had been made out of her novels, especially THE MILL ON THE FLOSS, SILAS MARNER, and ADAM BEDE. Btw, I love the poem beneath your post. Who's the author and what's it from? Didn't know about Liam Neeson movie based on Rob Roy. I think I should be able to find that one easily! Thanks, Spiderwort!
I also love the poem (called the song of Durin) which you asked about. The full one depicts how the fate of folks of Durin have changed. The line I have in my signature is my favourite but the opening line is also very good.
The world was young, the mountains green, No stain yet on the Moon was seen, No words were laid on stream or stone When Durin woke and walked alone.
lotr.wikia.com/wiki/Song_of_Durin
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Post by kijii on Jun 27, 2018 16:20:57 GMT
For Rob Roy click on here: imdb2.freeforums.net/thread/90377/movie-finish-watching?page=31
I love this movie!! It gives me about everything I want or need in a modern movie based on a classic novel.
..but I have never read the novel so I don't know how well the movie follows the novel. Rob Roy (1995) / Michael Caton-Jones It took me two viewings to understand the complete plots of this movie, as well as the speaking style and Scottish brogue. However, it was worth the two viewings. I think this is based on Sir Walter Scott's novel of the same name, but I can't find his name among the writing credits. Tim Roth received an Oscar nomination for his characterization of the foppish English champion (Archibald Cunningham) of Lord Montrose (John Hurt). We come to hate them both, but no one is more despicable than Cunningham, who practices almost every sort of sin on our heroes (the MacGregor Clan), especially, Rob Roy, before them movie is over. Cunningham is the villain we really come to hate the most, but when all is said and done, he is just the all-too-faithful champion agent of Lord Montrose, just as Killearn (Brian Cox) is Montrose's factor who "looks on" while Cunningham rapes, murders, robs, plots, and disgraces Rob Roy and MacGregors in every possible way, including burning down Roy's his farm, killing his livestock, raping his wife, killing his agent, dragging him, steeling the agent's money (which had been loaned by Montrose) and blaming the theft on the agent absconding with the money. The protagonists of the story are Rob Roy MacGregor (Liam Neeson), his wife, Mary (Jessica Lange), and the rest of MacGregor clan who faithfully work the land and raise the cattle for Lord Montrose. But, in spite of Roy's loyalty to Montrose, the later tries to use Roy in a quarrel he is having with Argyll (Andrew Keir), by carrying fourth the rumor that Argyll is a Jacobite.* ---------------------------------- *The story is set in the Scottish Highlands in 1714, soon after Scotland had joined England to create the United Kingdom (1707) during the reign of Queen Anne, the last of the Stuarts. ("Anne was the second daughter of James II. She had 17 pregnancies but only one child survived – William, who died of smallpox aged just 11..After Anne’s death the succession went to the nearest Protestant relative of the Stuart line, George I, the first of the Hanovars..Sir Robert Walpole [become] Britain’s first Prime Minister. In 1715 the Jacobites (followers of James Stuart, son of James II) attempted to supplant George, but the attempt failed.") Still, there were those loyal to the Scottish Stuarts. And, being called a Jacobite, at that time in Scotland, was akin to being called a Communist in West in the late 20th Century (There were Jacobite risings until 1759.) ------------------------------------ So, the engine that drives this story also rests upon an ongoing quarrel between two Scottish Lords, Montrose and Argyll. Duke of Argyll (Andrew Keir): You promised MacGregor amnesty from his debts if he would lay charges against me. Montrose (John Hurt): So! That is how he cozened you into giving him shelter. Duke of Argyll : Oh, I know the truth when I hear it. Montrose : Oh! And here was me, thinking that was God's gift alone. Duke of Argyll : Do not think that all sins go unpaid in this life, Montrose. Montrose : Well... I see one set soon to be paid for.
But when these two Lords fought their quarrels, they did it though their factors and champions. Archibald Cunningham (Tim Roth): What did you do with that bag of guts Killearn? Vex me not, McGregor, or I shall have you dragged a while. And I am a man of my word. Robert Roy MacGregor (Liam Neeson): You're a thief, a murderer and a violator of women. Archibald Cunningham: Aah... I had hoped you'd come to me long since on that score. Robert Roy MacGregor: If I had known earlier you would have been dead sooner. Archibald Cunningham: I will tell you something, to take with you. Your wife was far sweeter forced than many are willing. And truth put to it, I think not all of her objected...
There is love, hate, plots and counter-plots, brutality, revenge, and honor in this action movie. It all fit together perfectly for me. I liked it well!! Robert Roy MacGregor: Do you know how fine you are to me, Mary MacGregor? Mary MacGregor: And you to me.
Cunningham (Tim Roth) - Montrose (John Hurt) - Rob Roy (Liam Neeson)
Full synopsis of the movie with Spoilers: The story is set in early 18th Century Scotland. A group of Scots highlanders are tracking another clan who have stolen cattle from a lord. The protection of the lord's property, including his livestock, is managed by Robert Roy MacGregor, the man leading the trackers. One of his men, Alan McDonald, tells Rob and the rest of the party that they are about a day behind the thieves.
The search party finally spots the thieves, camped out in a valley. Knowing that an attack at night would be unwise, Rob orders his party to get some sleep. He also says that he'll personally approach the thieves in the morning and try to negotiate with them. When Alan asks Rob why he thinks speaking to them will accomplish anything, Rob tells him "I know one of them."
The next morning, Rob makes good on his word and wakes up the thieves in their camp. He tells them that the cattle belong to his lord and they'll all live if they lay down their weapons and surrender the animals. To prove his point, Rob tells his men to reveal their positions, which surround the camp. Their leader, Sibbald, mocks Rob's authority. When he tries to kill Rob, he is killed himself. Rob allows the rest of Sibbald's party to live and they leave. Rob returns home to his proud wife, Mary, and his two young boys. He spends a few days at home and he and Mary make passionate love under a tree.
Rob Roy's village is under the protection of John Campbell, Duke of Argyll. While watching his best duelist, Guthrie, in a sword match, one of Campbell's vassals the Marquis of Montrose, meets with him. Montrose is accompanied by a foppish young man, Archibold Cunningham. Archie had been sent to Scotland by his mother, who had grown irritated by his promiscuous playboy behavior. Archie challenges Guthrie to a duel and Duke Campbell and his vassal Montrose wager heavily on the outcome. Campbell is surprised when Archie easily bests Guthrie, and Montrose wins a hefty sum.
Rob meanwhile devises a plan to make money droving cattle: he decides he will ask Campbell to loan him 1000 guineas that he will use to buy cattle at a nearby port. He will raise the cattle and sell them back to Campbell at a profit. Campbell tells Rob to to draw up a loan agreement with Montrose. Montrose's chief banker, Killearn, is a treacherous businessman who is secretly loyal to Archie, whom Killearn believes is more ambitious than Duke Montrose. Killearn reveals to Archie that Rob will be receiving the 1000 guineas as coin and that Archie should prepare to steal it.
The next day, Rob meets directly with Killearn and signs the papers to receive the credit. Rob leaves, charging his man MacDonald with collecting the credit slip. Killearn deliberately makes MacDonald wait all day while he deals with all his other clients. When Killearn finally calls MacDonald in to receive the loan, Killearn tells him that he cannot give him a credit slip and MacDonald must take coins instead, violating the agreement with Rob. MacDonald is reluctant but finally accepts the coin. On his way to deliver the money to Rob, he is pursued through the woods by Archie, who has prepared an ambush. MacDonald's horse carry's him into a rope strung across the path, and he is injured and thrown from his horse. He staggers away, hiding the money in a tree. Archie finds him and kills him, taking the money.
When MacDonald doesn't show up, Rob goes back to Killearn, demanding to know what happened. Killearn tells him that he'd given MacDonald the money and he left. Killearn also suggests that MacDonald had stolen the money for himself and may have boarded a ship to America. MacDonald had earlier told Rob he wished to leave Scotland for Virginia. Rob refuses to believe that MacDonald would betray him and decides to take his case directly to Montrose. When he meets with the lord, he tries to strike a new deal for more money. Montrose will agree, provided Rob falsely testifies that Campbell is a Jacobite. Rob refuses, only knowing Campbell by reputation. When he suggests that Montrose is crooked, Montrose orders Archie to arrest Rob. Rob pulls a hidden knife and holds Archie at bay, pushing him over and running off. Montrose instructs Archie to find Rob and bring him to justice, "broken, but not dead." Archie sets out with Killearn and a small unit of soldiers.
Rob returns home and tells Mary that he'll be leaving their home until he can figure out a plan to clear his name. Mary is angry, saying he'll be hiding like an animal. Rob leaves his younger brother Alasdair and a couple of other men loyal to him to guard Mary and the farm. Very soon, Archie, Killearn and the unit of soldiers sail across the lake in front of the MacGregor home and arrive early one morning. Mary gathers her boys and tells them to hide in the hills behind the house. She goes out to meet the landing party, frightened but confident. She defiantly calls Archie a fool when he demands to know where her husband is. Archie orders the soldiers to burn her house and kill the livestock. Killearn suggests that Mary step aside, but Archie grabs her hair and drags her into the house. He forces her over a table and brutally and gleefully rapes her. Her house burning around her, Mary finally walks out, shaken but proud. The noblemen and their soldiers depart on their boat as Alasdair arrives, yelling for the marauders to return and fight. They fire a warning shot at him and bleat like sheep as they sail back across the lake. Mary furiously washes her groin in the lake, and Alasdair realizes that she's been raped. Mary compells him to promise not to tell Rob, because she doesn't want him to get killed in his desire to avenger her honor. Alasdair reluctantly promises Mary he won't say anything.
Mary formulates a plan of her own to prove Rob's innocence and honor. She discovers that Archie's lover, Betty, one of Montrose's servants, is pregnant with Archie's child. Spurned by Archie, Betty agrees to testify that she overheard Archie and Killearn conspiring to steal the money given to MacDonald. Mary comforts her when she admits that she's pregnant and becomes upset, saying she still loves Archie despite his evil nature. Mary tells Rob about Killearn's and Archie's dealings and Rob vows to bring them both to justice. Rob finds Killearn in a tavern. Guthrie attempts to defined him, and Rob kills him. When Rob arrives at a secret location with Killearn, he sends Alasdair to retrieve Betty, but when Mary goes to find her, she finds that Betty has hanged herself and is dead.
Mary demands to meet with Killearn privately, demanding that he testify to restore Rob's honor. Killearn refuses, gaining the upper hand when he mentions that he remembers how Archie raped her and that the child Mary is now pregnant with may be Archie's and not Rob's. Enraged, Mary stabs him in the neck, bringing Rob and Alasdair. Rob tries to calm Mary down, leaving Killearn to Alasdair. Alasdair drowns Killearn in the lake. Rob and Mary's plan is foiled and Rob tells his brother to drop the body in the middle of the lake since Montrose will search for him.
Alasdair joins Rob in the Highlands. They observe Archie's war party from a distance burning the house Rob & Mary had occupied after their own home was destroyed. Rob orders a retreat before Archie notices them; his own men are out-armed and outnumbered. Alasdair, angry over Archie's violation of Mary, takes a potshot at Archie, missing and killing one man. Archie orders his men to chase Rob's party into the mist covering the peaks. As he runs to catch up with Rob, Alasdair is shot, paralyzing his legs. Rob grabs him and carries him into the mist. As he dies from his wound, Alasdair tells Rob that Mary was raped by Archie.
A soldier finds them and finishes Alasdair off. Rob overpowers the man and mounts his horse to escape, but it's shot out from under him and lands on his leg, trapping him. He's captured by Archie, who binds his hands and drags him behind his horse. At night, Rob is tied to a tree. He tells Archie that he a thief and rapist, and Archie tells him that Campbell's wife Mary was more enjoyable when raped than others who were willing, and that "not all of her objected." Rob lunges forward and bites at Archie ripping his coat. Archie beats him and has him gagged for the rest of the march home.
When they reach the Bridge at Glen Orchy, Montrose is waiting. Rob is allowed to speak in his defense. He claims that Archie killed MacDonald and stole the money. Archie denies the charges and Montrose orders his men to hang Rob from the bridge. Rob quickly grabs the rope binding his hands, loops it around Archie's neck and jumps from the bridge. The rope pulls Archie to the edge where one of the soldiers uses a sword to cut it, freeing Rob, who plunges into the stream below - Archie is still alive. Rob washes downstream with the current, going over a small waterfall. On the bank, he finds the rotting carcass of a dead ox and quickly guts it, using the animal to hide from the search party, who won't approach because of the stench.
Rob rejoins Mary at a safe house,. which Mary had earlier negotiated from Campbell himself and secured the property under his protection. Rob confronts Mary about the rape but realizes she still loves him and that the child she bears is definitely his. Rob recovers from his wounds and visits with Campbell, seeking a way to settle his dispute with Archie. Knowing Archie's skill with a sword, Campbell reluctantly agrees to sponsor Rob in a fair duel. He tells Rob that as a prudent man he ought to bet on Archie. Rob tells him to bet any way he chooses. Rob bids his family farewell, telling his sons to ask their mother about the new addition to their family. Mary asks Rob what to name their child if Rob doesn't return: he tells her to name it for himself if it's a boy and for herself if it's a girl.
On the way to Montrose's court. Rob convinces Campbell to pay Mary's and his children's living expenses if he loses the match with Archie. They agree on a high sum and Campbell exclaims that he likes Rob's negotiating style.
Rob arrives at Montrose's court where he and Archie will duel to the death with swords. Campbell and Montrose agree on a wager. After laying out the customary rules about backstabbing and quarter, "no quarter being given or asked." The two duel, and Archie has obviously superior skills to Rob Roy. He toys with Rob, slashing him superficially several times on his torso, and then on his dueling arm, disarming him.
He lifts Rob's chin with his blade, and receives a nod from the moderator to end the duel and Rob Roy's life. Rob suddenly grasps Archie's sword blade at his own neck with his bare hand. He picks up his own sword from the floor next to him, and Archie is too surprised for a moment at Rob's sudden action to do anything. Rob swiftly cuts Archie deeply from his shoulder to his sternum, opening a wide wound. Archie is shocked, gasps, blood spilling from his mouth, stumbles, and falls dead.
Rob settles his wagers with Campbell and Montrose and leaves. Montrose tells Archie's sponsor that he will hold him to their wager, meaning that all of Rob Roy's debts are wiped clean. Rob returns home to Mary who is overjoyed to see him.
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Post by Aj_June on Jun 27, 2018 16:53:53 GMT
For Rob Roy click on here: imdb2.freeforums.net/thread/90377/movie-finish-watching?page=31
I love this movie!! It gives me about everything I want or need in a modern movie based on a classic novel.
..but I have never read the novel so I don't know how well the movie follows the novel. Rob Roy (1995) / Michael Caton-Jones It took me two viewings to understand the complete plots of this movie, as well as the speaking style and Scottish brogue. However, it was worth the two viewings. I think this is based on Sir Walter Scott's novel of the same name, but I can't find his name among the writing credits. Tim Roth received an Oscar nomination for his characterization of the foppish English champion (Archibald Cunningham) of Lord Montrose (John Hurt). We come to hate them both, but no one is more despicable than Cunningham, who practices almost every sort of sin on our heroes (the MacGregor Clan), especially, Rob Roy, before them movie is over. Cunningham is the villain we really come to hate the most, but when all is said and done, he is just the all-too-faithful champion agent of Lord Montrose, just as Killearn (Brian Cox) is Montrose's factor who "looks on" while Cunningham rapes, murders, robs, plots, and disgraces Rob Roy and MacGregors in every possible way, including burning down Roy's his farm, killing his livestock, raping his wife, killing his agent, dragging him, steeling the agent's money (which had been loaned by Montrose) and blaming the theft on the agent absconding with the money. The protagonists of the story are Rob Roy MacGregor (Liam Neeson), his wife, Mary (Jessica Lange), and the rest of MacGregor clan who faithfully work the land and raise the cattle for Lord Montrose. But, in spite of Roy's loyalty to Montrose, the later tries to use Roy in a quarrel he is having with Argyll (Andrew Keir), by carrying fourth the rumor that Argyll is a Jacobite.* ---------------------------------- *The story is set in the Scottish Highlands in 1714, soon after Scotland had joined England to create the United Kingdom (1707) during the reign of Queen Anne, the last of the Stuarts. ("Anne was the second daughter of James II. She had 17 pregnancies but only one child survived – William, who died of smallpox aged just 11..After Anne’s death the succession went to the nearest Protestant relative of the Stuart line, George I, the first of the Hanovars..Sir Robert Walpole [become] Britain’s first Prime Minister. In 1715 the Jacobites (followers of James Stuart, son of James II) attempted to supplant George, but the attempt failed.") Still, there were those loyal to the Scottish Stuarts. And, being called a Jacobite, at that time in Scotland, was akin to being called a Communist in West in the late 20th Century (There were Jacobite risings until 1759.) ------------------------------------ Thanks, Kijli. I become an instant fan when I read Rob Roy for the first time just the year in which I completed my matriculation examination. I had read 2 other works of Sir Walter Scott at about the same time but my interest in his works was reinvigorated in 2013 when I travelled across Scotland and our tour guide (who was also the bus driver) shared many historical stories about Scotland. I sometimes found things he mentioned as somewhat familiar to me. Particularly when he related a story of a woman in Scottish folk tales I could relate to the character of Flora Mac-Ivor from one of Scott's novel called Waverley. Since then I have been considering to read more of Scott's works and looking for any film adaptations. I think Rob Roy seems a good watch for me. I had definitely enjoyed the book so I hope I can also like the movie.
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Post by kijii on Jun 27, 2018 18:26:22 GMT
I also saw the early Disney live-action movie, Rob Roy: The Highland Rogue (1953). There is very little similarity between this movie and the 1995 movie except the four principal characters: Rob Roy, his wife, Mary, Montrose and Argyll. In the Disney version, Rob Roy is leading a rebellion against the union of Scotland and England, long after it actually occurred. In the Disney version George I (not Queen Anne) is on the throne--and Rob Roy (Richard Todd) is just meeting an marrying his wife, Mary (Glynis Johns in her prime).
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