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Post by hi224 on Jul 4, 2018 6:58:04 GMT
anyone have a pick?
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Post by RiP, IMDb on Jul 4, 2018 8:47:46 GMT
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Post by mecano04 on Jul 4, 2018 20:40:01 GMT
I either "sample" or read very specific books so I can't really talk about an author's global production.
That being said, I think Les Misérables (by Hugo) and Le tour du monde en 80 jours (Around the world in 80 days) (by Verne) are overrated.
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Post by FrankSobotka1514 on Jul 4, 2018 21:52:54 GMT
Does James Patterson count?
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Post by politicidal on Jul 5, 2018 18:40:29 GMT
Does James Patterson count? Hardly but I agree.
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Post by amyghost on Jul 5, 2018 21:58:02 GMT
Does James Patterson count? I think it should be an author who actually writes their own books, lol. But, yes, he might count, although I don't think many people would think of him as 'acclaimed' in terms of being respected unduly for his work. Jonathan Franzen, Toni Morrison, Alice Munro and a few others would fill that bill for me.
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Post by hi224 on Jul 5, 2018 22:59:00 GMT
Does James Patterson count? I think it should be an author who actually writes their own books, lol. But, yes, he might count, although I don't think many people would think of him as 'acclaimed' in terms of being respected unduly for his work. Jonathan Franzen, Toni Morrison, Alice Munro and a few others would fill that bill for me. It hurts to say but chucky palahnuik.
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Post by ellynmacg on Jul 6, 2018 5:55:30 GMT
Ian McEwan.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2018 10:56:17 GMT
Probably Jane Austen i mean she is good but i never found her to be fantastic.
Or are you talking about authors who are living ?................Than Dan Brown
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Post by amyghost on Jul 6, 2018 11:24:56 GMT
McEwan's insanely overrated. He's not bad, but he's hardly one of the gods of British lit. Although I think the absolute worst (or one of the top five worst, anyway) would have to be Neil Gaiman, whom, a couple of years back I read a critic, with complete seriousness, compare as virtually equal to Shakespeare. There's some troubling level of delusion going on in a statement like that. Dave Eggers belongs on the list. And, much as I liked David Foster Wallace's essays, his fiction was fairly awful.
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Post by telegonus on Jul 7, 2018 5:32:11 GMT
McEwan's insanely overrated. He's not bad, but he's hardly one of the gods of British lit. Although I think the absolute worst (or one of the top five worst, anyway) would have to be Neil Gaiman, whom, a couple of years back I read a critic, with complete seriousness, compare as virtually equal to Shakespeare. There's some troubling level of delusion going on in a statement like that. Dave Eggers belongs on the list. And, much as I liked David Foster Wallace's essays, his fiction was fairly awful.
William Golding's up there for me, for modern authors. He's good but that good?
While I'm at it (Brit bashing ), John Fowles is yet another "ugh!" for me.
Peter Shaffer's another whose work I don't care for, although he's competent at what he does. I like his twin brother, Anthony, much better. Maybe because he didn't seem to be aiming so high.
Of the modern ones who've achieved genuine classic status, off the top of my head, Thomas Mann, whom I liked very much when I was a very young man (best time for a writer like Mann).
Not quite there, he seemed headed in that direction: the Russian dude, Nabokov. I think there's going to be some resistance with him.
It's worth adding that I don't truly dislike most of the aforementioned authors; it's just that after a number of years and for various reasons, some of them, likely, personal, on my part, they've lost a good deal of what is now for me their former luster. I guess what I'm trying to get at is that I'm not attempting to "declare" anything or pose as a literary historian of some kind. Just post on a message board about movies that veered into the realm of literature for a spell.
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Post by yougotastewgoinbaby on Jul 7, 2018 21:58:22 GMT
Marcel Proust
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Post by shield on Jul 7, 2018 22:13:29 GMT
Probably Jane Austen i mean she is good but i never found her to be fantastic. Or are you talking about authors who are living ?................Than Dan Brown I liked Dan Browns first book but the rest have been rubbish so I agree about him
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Post by amyghost on Jul 8, 2018 13:15:35 GMT
McEwan's insanely overrated. He's not bad, but he's hardly one of the gods of British lit. Although I think the absolute worst (or one of the top five worst, anyway) would have to be Neil Gaiman, whom, a couple of years back I read a critic, with complete seriousness, compare as virtually equal to Shakespeare. There's some troubling level of delusion going on in a statement like that. Dave Eggers belongs on the list. And, much as I liked David Foster Wallace's essays, his fiction was fairly awful.
William Golding's up there for me, for modern authors. He's good but that good?
While I'm at it (Brit bashing ), John Fowles is yet another "ugh!" for me.
Peter Shaffer's another whose work I don't care for, although he's competent at what he does. I like his twin brother, Anthony, much better. Maybe because he didn't seem to be aiming so high.
Of the modern ones who've achieved genuine classic status, off the top of my head, Thomas Mann, whom I liked very much when I was a very young man (best time for a writer like Mann).
Not quite there, he seemed headed in that direction: the Russian dude, Nabokov. I think there's going to be some resistance with him.
It's worth adding that I don't truly dislike most of the aforementioned authors; it's just that after a number of years and for various reasons, some of them, likely, personal, on my part, they've lost a good deal of what is now for me their former luster. I guess what I'm trying to get at is that I'm not attempting to "declare" anything or pose as a literary historian of some kind. Just post on a message board about movies that veered into the realm of literature for a spell.
I've read others give that opinion on Golding. Actually have not read anything of his other than the ubiquitous Lord of the Flies (which may be overrated, but I still find compelling) and Darkness Visible, which I found interesting though I wouldn't call it a 'great' book. There are a couple of his other novels I've meant to try, eventually maybe I'll get around to them. Clearly I'm not compelled enough by his work to make that a priority. Always been 'meh' on Fowles apart from A Maggot, which I found a really engrossing read, partly because of the tie-in with actual history. Love Nabokov, even though I find him uneven. After all that infamous author-bashing he engaged in in his lectures, there's no doubt he's left himself open to the treatment himself, karmically speaking. Mann, like Herman Hesse, is, I think, very much a younger person's novelist. Not YA, mind you, but I think he benefits from having a set of fresher set of perspectives brought to his work, the vision of someone in their teens and early twenties. For an older adult, both of those authors can sometimes ring a bit hollow.
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Post by mrdanwest on Jul 8, 2018 13:25:40 GMT
Joyce Carol Oates. Some of her stuff is pretty good but a lot of it just seems completely disposable. And there is way too much of it.
James McEllroy is someone that I really want to like; but his books feel long and overwritten to me and it seems like he is raw for the sake of being raw rather for any narrative purpose. Stein Larsson is very similar to me.
Colum McCann just kind of bores me.
Milan Kundera feels self-important yet insignificant (Although I will admit that may be more to him and I am missing it). It’s like he is aiming for Italo Calvino but landing more toward Paulo Coelho.
Paulo Coelho is dreadful.
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Post by hi224 on Jul 8, 2018 13:27:59 GMT
Joyce Carol Oate. Some of her stuff is pretty good but a lot of it just seems completely disposable. And there is way too much of it. James McEllroy is someone that I really want to like; but his book feel long and overwritten to me and it seems like he is raw for the sake of being raw rather for any narrative purpose. Stein Larsson is very similar to me. Colum McCann just kind of bores me. Milan Kundera feels self-important yet insignificant (Although I will admit that may be more to him and I am missing it). It’s like he is aiming for Italo Calvino but landing more toward Paulo Coelho. Paulo Coelho is dreadful. Did you mean James Ellroy and Steig Larrson?.
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Post by mrdanwest on Jul 8, 2018 14:06:49 GMT
Joyce Carol Oate. Some of her stuff is pretty good but a lot of it just seems completely disposable. And there is way too much of it. James McEllroy is someone that I really want to like; but his book feel long and overwritten to me and it seems like he is raw for the sake of being raw rather for any narrative purpose. Stein Larsson is very similar to me. Colum McCann just kind of bores me. Milan Kundera feels self-important yet insignificant (Although I will admit that may be more to him and I am missing it). It’s like he is aiming for Italo Calvino but landing more toward Paulo Coelho. Paulo Coelho is dreadful. Did you mean James Ellroy and Steig Larrson?. Yes. Yes, I did. (Although I would like to blame the Stieg typo on auto correct and I am pretty sure his last name is actually Larsson). Not it sure where I got McEllroy from considering that I had just talked about him in your earlier thread.
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Post by telegonus on Jul 8, 2018 16:50:24 GMT
Some interesting opinions here. We're all different, yet I can see similarities. So much of modern, which is to say 20th century literature is driven by critics and, ultimately, by academicians, scholars in other words, what they like or don't like, it's a strange and intimidating playing field. Then there are those anti-snob and anti-elite "reactions" to the critical-academic establishment. The mind boggles. Or mine does. Then there are those "trends" and what I think are, frankly, fads that take hold.
On a purely personal note, it truly saddens me that the power of critics and scholars is such as to have made it nearly impossible for a young, truly gifted author to emerge, win the critics' approval, or some of them anyway, and enjoy a measure of popular acclaim of the sort in my lifetime has been largely limited to rock stars and singer songwriters. Back before the middle of the last century there was more of that (Fitzgerald, Hemingway, et al), in the Twenties, later, John Steinbeck, the Left writers of the Depression era, and those spawned by that period. I'm thinking mostly of Americans now.
The Beat revolution of the Fifties now looks as much like a social trend than an artistic one, although the postwar era produced some one offs who, some of them, seem to have legs, such as Salinger, battered and bruised as he is at the personal level, and James Agee. Jack Kerouac has his advocates, as does William Burroughs. Then there are the poets, the women especially, like Sylvia Plath and Anne Sexton. There's so much out there, just in these United States...
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Post by wmcclain on Jul 10, 2018 1:24:35 GMT
DH Lawrence (although I remember liking his short stories)
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Post by telegonus on Jul 10, 2018 3:57:04 GMT
DH Lawrence (although I remember liking his short stories) I love the guy. D.H. Lawrence is a favorite of mine. It took me a while to get into his work seriously. Like most of my generation I started with Lady Chatterley, far from his best book, and then I became a real grownup around the age of twenty-one or thereabouts and I was "reintroduced" to him by a woman I knew and then, like in a flash of lightning, it all came together. No, I don't mean it quite the way it sounds. That, too, but Lawrence was a hugely artistic man, a master of the English language, he wrote beautifully, lyrically, about many things, and he delved into the business of how men and women relate to one another, as men and women, bringing it all to a near spiritual level,--some would say he got there, I'd say yes, however more in his imagination, in his art, really, than in his life--and the result was a series of novels and stories that many, including me, consider among the best in English literature, in English language literature, of the 20th century--and Lawrence now feels like a giant to me, and I don't humble all that easily. In his case, I yield to the Master. To the aforementioned I feel obliged to add that the man was only human, after all, that he had his failings as a writer (is there a proper "sigh" emoticon for this?), and that not everything he wrote was great or even all that good. When he was at the top of his game,--yes, I know this is a somewhat crude way to put it, but this is a movie site, not a literary one--he was as good as it gets. The man was a genius, yet he's not for all tastes. His flights of fancy could get awfully fancy sometimes; and at his worst he can come off as pretty darn high falutin', but he had it, he was a great writer, and he knew it. Why should he have "posed", and it would have been a literal pose, as a regular bloke or, as we in the States like to say, a Common Man? He was a refined man, and a rather delicate one at that, physically and emotionally, and he wrote about things we all share in common. Passions, for instance. I've never read a book length biography of Lawrence, but my sense of him is that he reached so high that he fell, and it killed him. Some people, and many artists, are like that. Yet I think that Lawrence was fortunate in having truly got hold of issues that were well within his range as a writer; what he wrote about were often things, more specifically, problems, including confusion, all of which he bore himself, and which he handled splendidly. On this note I should probably conclude my lengthy panegyric.
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