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Post by Caesium137 on Jul 9, 2018 9:15:24 GMT
It won't set in until after the closing chapter of Infinity War when lots of actors leave and characters need recasting. That will be the biggest test.
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Post by scabab on Jul 9, 2018 11:44:12 GMT
No because it's yet another sequel that will surpass the total of the original. That's a good opening weekend for an Ant-man movie of all characters whose probably the least popular one.
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Post by politicidal on Nov 18, 2022 22:45:02 GMT
"....Now, a new study conducted by Fandom (via Variety) finds that over one-third of Marvel fans are feeling fatigued by the MCU's constant stream of theatrical and Disney+ content in 2022. The study also found that oversaturation is much less of a problem for the DC Universe, which sees significantly fewer theatrical and streaming releases than the MCU, as only 20 percent of DC fans say they feel fatigued by their respective franchise, as opposed to 36 percent of Marvel fans. The extensive study was conducted by surveying 5,000 entertainment and gaming fans between 13 and 54 years combined with what Fandom calls “proprietary insights” from its own platform, which has over 300 million monthly users."
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Post by twothousandonemark on Nov 19, 2022 15:47:00 GMT
Yes. I'm getting vibes that Secret Wars will be some grand fan service ensemble melee bash of a celebration... when Endgame was just that, with better characters & arcs leading up.
Phase 4 isn't bad, it's just meh. It already feels like Star Wars VII-IX giving us fluff when we don't want it.
The streaming stuff is a weird one because that was the model for the entire medium, merely highlighted because of MCU's prominence. I can't fully fault the studio for going that route when the entire industry, esp with COVID, was taking that lane. Still, they're introducing far too many puzzle pieces for me to care.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2022 18:43:33 GMT
The expansion to streeeaming was a fatal mistake. It’s just too much “content”, with much of it feeling very soulless and poorly executed. Four movies a year was a lot, but now the franchise feels bloated and aimless.
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Post by twothousandonemark on Nov 19, 2022 19:55:10 GMT
The expansion to streeeaming was a fatal mistake. It’s just too much “content”, with much of it feeling very soulless and poorly executed. Four movies a year was a lot, but now the franchise feels bloated and aimless. I wouldn't even grant them 'bloated' it just feels so f'n thinned out... & needlessly so.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2022 20:29:01 GMT
The expansion to streeeaming was a fatal mistake. It’s just too much “content”, with much of it feeling very soulless and poorly executed. Four movies a year was a lot, but now the franchise feels bloated and aimless. I wouldn't even grant them 'bloated' it just feels so f'n thinned out... & needlessly so. It really does. The DisneyFlix stuff is almost certainly a corporate mandate- there was no way Disney wasn’t gonna use Marvel to sell their new service. I think that’s why it all feels so flimsy. The studio is clearly struggling to make all this content feel worthwhile.
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Post by Oh My Aching Ackbar-Raddus! on Nov 19, 2022 22:36:02 GMT
I wouldn't even grant them 'bloated' it just feels so f'n thinned out... & needlessly so. It really does. The DisneyFlix stuff is almost certainly a corporate mandate- there was no way Disney wasn’t gonna use Marvel to sell their new service. I think that’s why it all feels so flimsy. The studio is clearly struggling to make all this content feel worthwhile. Milk that cash cow until the utters run dry!
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Post by twothousandonemark on Nov 20, 2022 1:03:11 GMT
I wouldn't even grant them 'bloated' it just feels so f'n thinned out... & needlessly so. It really does. The DisneyFlix stuff is almost certainly a corporate mandate- there was no way Disney wasn’t gonna use Marvel to sell their new service. I think that’s why it all feels so flimsy. The studio is clearly struggling to make all this content feel worthwhile. Can you imagine the fail had Endgame not occurred as it had. That film was a tremendous bookend to an historic blockbuster run of movies & characters. To think if we as fans & filmgoers were still waiting for an MCU crescendo payoff from 2008's Iron Man & beyond. I'm not trying to sugar coat their decisions what with the cinematic industry as a whole in flux. Maybe a supreme irony is the MCU could actually curb all that by releasing mere 2 new films a year, whilst having no ulterior streaming content. I dunno... we're here trying to zig to their zags, meanwhile we live in a world where f'n Star Wars has been drowned in bath water recently. Imagine going back to 1997 & telling our '97 selves that Star Wars would one day be a meh.
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Post by Oh My Aching Ackbar-Raddus! on Nov 20, 2022 2:02:24 GMT
It really does. The DisneyFlix stuff is almost certainly a corporate mandate- there was no way Disney wasn’t gonna use Marvel to sell their new service. I think that’s why it all feels so flimsy. The studio is clearly struggling to make all this content feel worthwhile. Can you imagine the fail had Endgame not occurred as it had. That film was a tremendous bookend to an historic blockbuster run of movies & characters. To think if we as fans & filmgoers were still waiting for an MCU crescendo payoff from 2008's Iron Man & beyond. I'm not trying to sugar coat their decisions what with the cinematic industry as a whole in flux. Maybe a supreme irony is the MCU could actually curb all that by releasing mere 2 new films a year, whilst having no ulterior streaming content. I dunno... we're here trying to zig to their zags, meanwhile we live in a world where f'n Star Wars has been drowned in bath water recently. Imagine going back to 1997 & telling our '97 selves that Star Wars would one day be a meh. We probably would’ve reacted something like this…
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Post by thisguy4000 on Nov 20, 2022 2:22:05 GMT
Marvel fatigue was most definitely not a thing back when this thread was made, but it looks like it may very well be now. I do agree with the sentiment that all the Disney+ content is a large part of the problem.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2022 4:21:46 GMT
It really does. The DisneyFlix stuff is almost certainly a corporate mandate- there was no way Disney wasn’t gonna use Marvel to sell their new service. I think that’s why it all feels so flimsy. The studio is clearly struggling to make all this content feel worthwhile. Can you imagine the fail had Endgame not occurred as it had. That film was a tremendous bookend to an historic blockbuster run of movies & characters. To think if we as fans & filmgoers were still waiting for an MCU crescendo payoff from 2008's Iron Man & beyond. I'm not trying to sugar coat their decisions what with the cinematic industry as a whole in flux. Maybe a supreme irony is the MCU could actually curb all that by releasing mere 2 new films a year, whilst having no ulterior streaming content. I dunno... we're here trying to zig to their zags, meanwhile we live in a world where f'n Star Wars has been drowned in bath water recently. Imagine going back to 1997 & telling our '97 selves that Star Wars would one day be a meh. I think the smart move, from a storytelling standpoint, would have been to reduce the size of the MCU: focus on a half dozen characters at most, just like Phase One, and build the relationships between them and set up important arcs. I mean, are we really supposed to care when alternate timeline Loki meets Wonder Man? Or when She Hulk teams up with Agatha Harkness? Absolutely agree on Star Wars too. It’s appalling what Disney is doing to it.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2022 4:23:01 GMT
Can you imagine the fail had Endgame not occurred as it had. That film was a tremendous bookend to an historic blockbuster run of movies & characters. To think if we as fans & filmgoers were still waiting for an MCU crescendo payoff from 2008's Iron Man & beyond. I'm not trying to sugar coat their decisions what with the cinematic industry as a whole in flux. Maybe a supreme irony is the MCU could actually curb all that by releasing mere 2 new films a year, whilst having no ulterior streaming content. I dunno... we're here trying to zig to their zags, meanwhile we live in a world where f'n Star Wars has been drowned in bath water recently. Imagine going back to 1997 & telling our '97 selves that Star Wars would one day be a meh.We probably would’ve reacted something like this… That’s how I feel about it right now! 😫
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Post by Hauntedknight87 on Nov 20, 2022 14:20:03 GMT
Honestly I wish they took a break after Endgame. Or at the least slow down on the constant releases.
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Post by thisguy4000 on Nov 20, 2022 14:52:46 GMT
Honestly I wish they took a break after Endgame. Or at the least slow down on the constant releases. They sort of did, but that was mostly because of the pandemic.
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Post by Skaathar on Nov 20, 2022 17:10:30 GMT
Marvel fatigue was most definitely not a thing back when this thread was made, but it looks like it may very well be now. I do agree with the sentiment that all the Disney+ content is a large part of the problem. I don't think it's fatigue so much as it's simply a drop in quality of MCU products. When the MCU releases a good show of similar quality to its old products then it's still capable of hitting a home run (like No Way Home). I think the fact that the MCU has released so many mediocre products lately and still managed to make money off of them is proof that there isn't fatigue, as they're basically riding the momentum of their previous success. But obviously they can only feed so much crap to people before people get sick of them. The "fatigue" people are feeling is mostly people getting tired of all the dumb shit the MCU has been doing in phase 4. In other words, had the MCU maintained its quality then i doubt there would have been any fatigue at all. Had the D+ MCU shows been actually good without any social politics, I guarantee you we'd be having a much different conversation.
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Post by thisguy4000 on Nov 20, 2022 17:22:23 GMT
Marvel fatigue was most definitely not a thing back when this thread was made, but it looks like it may very well be now. I do agree with the sentiment that all the Disney+ content is a large part of the problem. I don't think it's fatigue so much as it's simply a drop in quality of MCU products. When the MCU releases a good show of similar quality to its old products then it's still capable of hitting a home run (like No Way Home). I think the fact that the MCU has released so many mediocre products lately and still managed to make money off of them is proof that there isn't fatigue, as they're basically riding the momentum of their previous success. But obviously they can only feed so much crap to people before people get sick of them. The "fatigue" people are feeling is mostly people getting tired of all the dumb shit the MCU has been doing in phase 4. In other words, had the MCU maintained its quality then i doubt there would have been any fatigue at all. Had the D+ MCU shows been actually good without any social politics, I guarantee you we'd be having a much different conversation. NWH was a special case. It was a big fanservice event that featured characters from past Spider-Man movies.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2022 19:19:56 GMT
Marvel fatigue was most definitely not a thing back when this thread was made, but it looks like it may very well be now. I do agree with the sentiment that all the Disney+ content is a large part of the problem. I don't think it's fatigue so much as it's simply a drop in quality of MCU products. When the MCU releases a good show of similar quality to its old products then it's still capable of hitting a home run (like No Way Home). I think the fact that the MCU has released so many mediocre products lately and still managed to make money off of them is proof that there isn't fatigue, as they're basically riding the momentum of their previous success. But obviously they can only feed so much crap to people before people get sick of them. The "fatigue" people are feeling is mostly people getting tired of all the dumb shit the MCU has been doing in phase 4. In other words, had the MCU maintained its quality then i doubt there would have been any fatigue at all. Had the D+ MCU shows been actually good without any social politics, I guarantee you we'd be having a much different conversation. I think this is true. It’s not so much fatigue as it is a reaction to a drop in quality- although… I’m tolerant of some of the lower tier MCU stuff when we get it in the form of 1 or 2 out of the four movies per year, but when we get a whole bunch of lower tier stuff, even if the good to mediocre ratio remains the same- it tests my fan loyalty
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Post by Hauntedknight87 on Nov 20, 2022 19:56:05 GMT
Also I think the Disney+ stuff had a big part in the quality taking a hit. A lot of resources went into producing multiple projects for Disney+ and it's clear that not even Feige could do as much multitasking as before. Especially with two different formats for content.
I get that Disney needed more exclusive content for their streaming platform and obviously Marvel is their hottest brand at the moment. But it's pretty obvious that Disney+ played a hand in the drop of quality.
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Post by Oh My Aching Ackbar-Raddus! on Nov 21, 2022 16:46:12 GMT
Marvel fatigue was most definitely not a thing back when this thread was made, but it looks like it may very well be now. I do agree with the sentiment that all the Disney+ content is a large part of the problem. I don't think it's fatigue so much as it's simply a drop in quality of MCU products. When the MCU releases a good show of similar quality to its old products then it's still capable of hitting a home run (like No Way Home). I think the fact that the MCU has released so many mediocre products lately and still managed to make money off of them is proof that there isn't fatigue, as they're basically riding the momentum of their previous success. But obviously they can only feed so much crap to people before people get sick of them. The "fatigue" people are feeling is mostly people getting tired of all the dumb shit the MCU has been doing in phase 4. In other words, had the MCU maintained its quality then i doubt there would have been any fatigue at all. Had the D+ MCU shows been actually good without any social politics, I guarantee you we'd be having a much different conversation. Yousa might’n be right about dat!
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