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Post by lowtacks86 on Jul 13, 2018 22:22:56 GMT
You misunderstood. I said randomness is the belief of atheists. I qualified it by saying nothing is random.
In any case you're wrong on both counts.
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Post by heeeeey on Jul 13, 2018 22:23:53 GMT
First, you know that films like Rain Man are works of fiction, right? The title character was based on actual person (Kim Peek), but yes everything else in the film (including the toothpick scene) was made up.
No, the ability he had to count the toothpicks was not made up.
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Post by lowtacks86 on Jul 13, 2018 22:24:56 GMT
First, you know that films like Rain Man are works of fiction, right? Do you understand the concept of basing a movie on a real person?
The toothpick counting was included in the movie because it really happened, and he had that ability.
No it didn't. Kim Peek (the person I'm assuming you're talking about) had excellent memory, but the "toothpick incident" never actually happened.
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Post by lowtacks86 on Jul 13, 2018 22:26:27 GMT
The title character was based on actual person (Kim Peek), but yes everything else in the film (including the toothpick scene) was made up.
No, the ability he had to count the toothpicks was not made up.
Yes, it was. I Googled "Kim peek tooth picks", nothing came up except for the scene in "Rain Man". Maybe you should actually research these things before just making stuff up.
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Post by heeeeey on Jul 13, 2018 22:28:10 GMT
If there is randomness, how come that autistic savant portrayed in Rain Main (based on a true event) was able to count exactly the number of toothpicks that were dropped on the floor? He wasn't off one or two toothpicks. He counted EXACTLY the number of toothpicks that were 'randomly' dropped on the floor.
Let's assume it's true that some people have this ability. Why on Earth would you think that this entails that nothing is random? There are many things wrong with your post, but this in particular strikes me as utterly bizarre reasoning. You might as well have said "If there is randomness, how come the sky is blue? Checkmate atheists!" If you don't know, there's no use explaining it to you.
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Post by 🌵 on Jul 13, 2018 22:30:46 GMT
Let's assume it's true that some people have this ability. Why on Earth would you think that this entails that nothing is random? There are many things wrong with your post, but this in particular strikes me as utterly bizarre reasoning. You might as well have said "If there is randomness, how come the sky is blue? Checkmate atheists!" If you don't know, there's no use explaining it to you.
Okay. So does anybody else want to try to explain why someone might think that the ability to count toothpicks entails that nothing is random?
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Post by heeeeey on Jul 13, 2018 22:31:00 GMT
No, the ability he had to count the toothpicks was not made up.
Yes, it was. I Googled "Kim peek tooth picks", nothing came up except for the scene in "Rain Man". Maybe you should actually research these things before just making stuff up.
Maybe it was matches.
Regardless, he is known for having that ability.
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Post by heeeeey on Jul 13, 2018 22:35:09 GMT
Btw, I just used the toothpicks as an example. My point about randomness is what the topic is.
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Post by lowtacks86 on Jul 13, 2018 22:37:59 GMT
Yes, it was. I Googled "Kim peek tooth picks", nothing came up except for the scene in "Rain Man". Maybe you should actually research these things before just making stuff up.
Maybe it was matches.
Regardless, he is known for having that ability.
No, he was not. You do realize "Rainman" was not a biopic, right? Again he had excellent memory, but there's never been any known incident that he could just instantly count a bunch of matches/tooth picks/etc. I suggest actually reading about him instead of just making stuff up.
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Post by heeeeey on Jul 13, 2018 22:42:44 GMT
Maybe it was matches.
Regardless, he is known for having that ability.
No, he was not. You do realize "Rainman" was not a biopic, right? Again he had excellent memory, but there's never been any known incident that he could just instantly count a bunch of matches/tooth picks/etc. I suggest actually reading about him instead of just making stuff up. My point about nothing being random still stands.
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Post by lowtacks86 on Jul 13, 2018 22:44:33 GMT
No, he was not. You do realize "Rainman" was not a biopic, right? Again he had excellent memory, but there's never been any known incident that he could just instantly count a bunch of matches/tooth picks/etc. I suggest actually reading about him instead of just making stuff up. My point about nothing being random still stands.
You never made a "point" to begin with. You may as well as typed "Gooble gobble" and it would have made about as much sense.
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Post by heeeeey on Jul 13, 2018 22:52:23 GMT
My point about nothing being random still stands.
You never made a "point" to begin with. You may as well as typed "Gooble gobble" and it would have made about as much sense. Btw, just because you couldn't find anything about Peek's ability to count dropped toothpicks doesn't mean it didn't happen. Post a link to where it says he never did it. That was included in the movie for a reason...he DID have that ability.
There is a pattern to everything in existence. When the human eye can't recognize a pattern, they call it 'randomness'.
The atheist belief that something came out of nothing, or via some sort of random event is the height of ignorance.
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Post by lowtacks86 on Jul 13, 2018 22:58:15 GMT
You never made a "point" to begin with. You may as well as typed "Gooble gobble" and it would have made about as much sense. Btw, just because you couldn't find anything about Peek's ability to count dropped toothpicks doesn't mean it didn't happen. Post a link to where it says he never did it. That was included in the movie for a reason...he DID have that ability.
There is a pattern to everything in existence. When the human eye can't recognize a pattern, they call it 'randomness'.
The atheist belief that something came out of nothing, or via some sort of random event is the height of ignorance.
"Btw, just because you couldn't find anything about Peek's ability to count dropped toothpicks doesn't mean it didn't happen. Post a link to where it says he never did it."
Prove it didn't happen? I'm starting to see why you're religious. If you're going to make riddiculous arguments like this, why don't you prove leprechauns don't exist?
"That was included in the movie for a reason..."
Yes, entertainment purposes. Hollywood exaggerates/makes stuff up all the time. By your reasoning I guess there were two actual people named Jack and Rose on the Titanic that fell in love.
"The atheist belief that something came out of nothing, or via some sort of random event is the height of ignorance." And yet you don't want to apply that standard to God. Funny how that works.
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Post by heeeeey on Jul 13, 2018 23:01:25 GMT
Btw, just because you couldn't find anything about Peek's ability to count dropped toothpicks doesn't mean it didn't happen. Post a link to where it says he never did it. That was included in the movie for a reason...he DID have that ability.
There is a pattern to everything in existence. When the human eye can't recognize a pattern, they call it 'randomness'.
The atheist belief that something came out of nothing, or via some sort of random event is the height of ignorance.
"Btw, just because you couldn't find anything about Peek's ability to count dropped toothpicks doesn't mean it didn't happen. Post a link to where it says he never did it."
Prove it didn't happen? I'm starting to see why you're religious. If you're going to make riddiculous arguments like this, why don't you prove leprechauns don't exist?
"That was included in the movie for a reason..."
Yes, entertainment purposes. By your reasoning I guess there were two actual people named Jack and Rose on the Titanic that fell in love.
"The atheist belief that something came out of nothing, or via some sort of random event is the height of ignorance." And yet you don't want to apply that standard to God. Funny how that works.
I'm not at all religious. A belief in God or higher intelligence =/= religious.
I simply recognize the fact that science hasn't discovered all there is to know either.
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Post by lowtacks86 on Jul 13, 2018 23:05:28 GMT
"Btw, just because you couldn't find anything about Peek's ability to count dropped toothpicks doesn't mean it didn't happen. Post a link to where it says he never did it."
Prove it didn't happen? I'm starting to see why you're religious. If you're going to make riddiculous arguments like this, why don't you prove leprechauns don't exist?
"That was included in the movie for a reason..."
Yes, entertainment purposes. By your reasoning I guess there were two actual people named Jack and Rose on the Titanic that fell in love.
"The atheist belief that something came out of nothing, or via some sort of random event is the height of ignorance." And yet you don't want to apply that standard to God. Funny how that works.
I'm not at all religious. A belief in God or higher intelligence =/= religious.
I simply recognize the fact that science hasn't discovered all there is to know either.
"I'm not at all religious."
You've espoused Christian views on this board and the Politics board
"I simply recognize the fact that science hasn't discovered all there is to know either."
God of the Gaps. "We don't know something, therefore magic sky genie"
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Post by heeeeey on Jul 13, 2018 23:18:46 GMT
I'm not at all religious. A belief in God or higher intelligence =/= religious.
I simply recognize the fact that science hasn't discovered all there is to know either.
"I'm not at all religious."
You've espoused Christian views on this board and the Politics board
"I simply recognize the fact that science hasn't discovered all there is to know either."
God of the Gaps. "We don't know something, therefore magic sky genie"
Nope. I don't believe there is a magic sky genie, flying spaghetti god, or any of the other stupid, flippant names you 'know-it-alls' pull out of your asses.
If you would bother to notice, science either changes their opinions or verifies what is already known with each new discovery they happen upon. The mathematics, geometry, physics that scientists know of currently were discovered, not invented.
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Post by lowtacks86 on Jul 13, 2018 23:30:53 GMT
"I'm not at all religious."
You've espoused Christian views on this board and the Politics board
"I simply recognize the fact that science hasn't discovered all there is to know either."
God of the Gaps. "We don't know something, therefore magic sky genie"
Nope. I don't believe there is a magic sky genie, flying spaghetti god, or any of the other stupid, flippant names you 'know-it-alls' pull out of your asses.
If you would bother to notice, science either changes their opinions or verifies what is already known with each new discovery they happen upon. The mathematics, geometry, physics that scientists know of currently were discovered, not invented.
"Nope. I don't believe there is a magic sky genie, flying spaghetti god, or any of the other stupid, flippant names you 'know-it-alls' pull out of your asses."
You can believe in God, Jehovah, Yawah, Allah, etc and it wouldn't really make any difference other than more people believe in them than a flying spaghetti monster.
"If you would bother to notice, science either changes their opinions or verifies what is already known with each new discovery they happen upon. The mathematics, geometry, physics that scientists know of currently were discovered, not invented."
That doesn't refute what I said.
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Post by heeeeey on Jul 13, 2018 23:34:41 GMT
Nope. I don't believe there is a magic sky genie, flying spaghetti god, or any of the other stupid, flippant names you 'know-it-alls' pull out of your asses.
If you would bother to notice, science either changes their opinions or verifies what is already known with each new discovery they happen upon. The mathematics, geometry, physics that scientists know of currently were discovered, not invented.
"Nope. I don't believe there is a magic sky genie, flying spaghetti god, or any of the other stupid, flippant names you 'know-it-alls' pull out of your asses."
You can believe in God, Jehovah, Yawah, Allah, etc and it wouldn't really make any difference other than more people believe in them than a flying spaghetti monster.
"If you would bother to notice, science either changes their opinions or verifies what is already known with each new discovery they happen upon. The mathematics, geometry, physics that scientists know of currently were discovered, not invented."
That doesn't refute what I said.
Yes, it does refute what you said. First you accused me of being 'religious'. When that didn't work, then you said I believed in some made-up character you pulled out of your ass.
I refuted that by posting the FACT that the mathematics scientists use for their equations was discovered, not invented. You know what 'discovered' means, don't you?
Let me reiterate what I said that you cannot refute: to say something can come out of nothing is the height of ignorance. And atheists love to double-down on that ignorance.
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Post by phludowin on Jul 13, 2018 23:35:06 GMT
which is the 'belief' of atheists. Nope. It's the belief of total determinists that nothing is random. Not all atheists are.
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Post by Aj_June on Jul 13, 2018 23:43:48 GMT
"Nope. I don't believe there is a magic sky genie, flying spaghetti god, or any of the other stupid, flippant names you 'know-it-alls' pull out of your asses."
You can believe in God, Jehovah, Yawah, Allah, etc and it wouldn't really make any difference other than more people believe in them than a flying spaghetti monster.
"If you would bother to notice, science either changes their opinions or verifies what is already known with each new discovery they happen upon. The mathematics, geometry, physics that scientists know of currently were discovered, not invented."
That doesn't refute what I said.
First you accused me of being 'religious'. When that didn't work, then you said I believed in some made-up character you pulled out of your ass.
If you are not religious then how come you made this post?
I gave up sodas for the duration of lent and just started drinking them again. However, I plan to drink them only on weekends.
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