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Post by heeeeey on Jul 13, 2018 18:34:06 GMT
which is the 'belief' of atheists.
Even if something appears to be random, that's only because people fail to recognize the pattern.
If there is randomness, how come that autistic savant portrayed in Rain Main (based on a true event) was able to count exactly the number of toothpicks that were dropped on the floor? He wasn't off one or two toothpicks. He counted EXACTLY the number of toothpicks that were 'randomly' dropped on the floor.
I guess it's a rhetorical question, so don't even TRY to answer it if you're an atheist.
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Post by faustus5 on Jul 13, 2018 19:50:12 GMT
which is the 'belief' of atheists.
Being an atheist doesn't commit a person to any view whatsoever on the subject of randomness. Period. Case closed.
I know you are always desperately racing for the title of the most idiotic and ignorant poster in the IMDB v2.0 forum, and this post edges you a little bit there, but you haven't succeeded yet.
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Post by maya55555 on Jul 13, 2018 20:00:50 GMT
Heeeyyy
Honestly we are going into quantum physics. To answer this question, I am sorry to say that I have forgotten what I studied in 1973.
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Post by lowtacks86 on Jul 13, 2018 20:01:18 GMT
"Nothing is random... which is the 'belief' of atheists."
Strawman (I've never heard any atheist proclaiming that). Despite what you desperately want to believe atheism doesn't have any "beliefs" in itself.
"Even if something appears to be random, that's only because people fail to recognize the pattern."
Well it depends on what you mean by "random". So called "random" number generators aren't actually random, they're based on complex computer aolgrithsm that give the appearance of being "random". Coin flips are considered "random" but that's only because we can't accurately control the factors every single time (force of the flip, wind resistance) to accurately predict what side a coin will land on. There actually has been a "flipping machine" made that controls these factors and lands on the same side every single time.
"If there is randomness, how come that autistic savant portrayed in Rain Main (based on a true event) was able to count exactly the number of toothpicks that were dropped on the floor? He wasn't off one or two toothpicks. He counted EXACTLY the number of toothpicks that were 'randomly' dropped on the floor."
While Rain Man was based on on actual person (Kim Peek), I'm not seeing any sources to confirm the toothpick incident actually happened. That was probably just something used in the film.
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Post by Terrapin Station on Jul 13, 2018 20:15:16 GMT
First, you know that films like Rain Man are works of fiction, right?
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Post by progressiveelement on Jul 13, 2018 20:16:18 GMT
Well fuck you and the horse you rode in on.
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Post by lowtacks86 on Jul 13, 2018 20:17:33 GMT
First, you know that films like Rain Man are works of fiction, right? The title character was based on actual person (Kim Peek), but yes everything else in the film (including the toothpick scene) was made up.
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Post by Terrapin Station on Jul 13, 2018 20:23:58 GMT
First, you know that films like Rain Man are works of fiction, right? The title character was based on actual person (Kim Peek), but yes everything else in the film (including the toothpick scene) was made up. Fiction doesn't refer to "not based on real people of events." Almost all fiction is based on real people and events to some extent, although we often are not aware of those real world precursors . This is the case simply because writers are constantly mining everything they experience (including stuff they read, stuff they see on TV etc.) for ideas.
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Post by yougotastewgoinbaby on Jul 13, 2018 20:31:58 GMT
I am sorry to say that I have forgotten what I studied in 1973. Whatever it was, it wasn't quantum mechanics.
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Post by yougotastewgoinbaby on Jul 13, 2018 20:34:44 GMT
Well fuck you and the horse you rode in on.
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Post by Isapop on Jul 13, 2018 21:04:06 GMT
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Post by general313 on Jul 13, 2018 21:10:39 GMT
Heeeyyy
Honestly we are going into quantum physics. To answer this question, I am sorry to say that I have forgotten what I studied in 1973. No we're not. Randomness played a big factor in thermodynamics and the study of steam engines in the 19th century. Quantitative analysis of randomness goes back even further in game theory. Randomness shows up in lots of places.
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Post by 🌵 on Jul 13, 2018 21:31:03 GMT
If there is randomness, how come that autistic savant portrayed in Rain Main (based on a true event) was able to count exactly the number of toothpicks that were dropped on the floor? He wasn't off one or two toothpicks. He counted EXACTLY the number of toothpicks that were 'randomly' dropped on the floor.
Let's assume it's true that some people have this ability. Why on Earth would you think that this entails that nothing is random? There are many things wrong with your post, but this in particular strikes me as utterly bizarre reasoning. You might as well have said "If there is randomness, how come the sky is blue? Checkmate atheists!"
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Post by maya55555 on Jul 13, 2018 21:44:59 GMT
ScrewTape:
I have caught VSauce in many obvious errors. Always check your sources.
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Post by Aj_June on Jul 13, 2018 21:47:23 GMT
"Nothing is random... which is the 'belief' of atheists." Strawman (I've never heard any atheist proclaiming that). Despite what you desperately want to believe atheism doesn't have any "beliefs" in itself. "Even if something appears to be random, that's only because people fail to recognize the pattern." Well it depends on what you mean by "random". So called "random" number generators aren't actually random, they're based on complex computer aolgrithsm that give the appearance of being "random". Coin flips are considered "random" but that's only because we can't accurately control the factors every single time (force of the flip, wind resistance) to accurately predict what side a coin will land on. There actually has been a "flipping machine" made that controls these factors and lands on the same side every single time. "If there is randomness, how come that autistic savant portrayed in Rain Main (based on a true event) was able to count exactly the number of toothpicks that were dropped on the floor? He wasn't off one or two toothpicks. He counted EXACTLY the number of toothpicks that were 'randomly' dropped on the floor." While Rain Man was based on on actual person (Kim Peek), I'm not seeing any sources to confirm the toothpick incident actually happened. That was probably just something used in the film. My assumption is that the OP has made this conclusion through a flawed understanding of causal determinism or may be has heard some theists who have flawed understanding of causal determinism.
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Post by maya55555 on Jul 13, 2018 21:49:27 GMT
YGASGB:
I have studied Quantum mechanics and aced it.
WHAT hav e you studied? Comic books? Come on now WOW the board?
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Post by yougotastewgoinbaby on Jul 13, 2018 22:14:14 GMT
YGASGB:
I have studied Quantum mechanics and aced it.
And yet you can't remember any of it. What an absolute waste of time.
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Post by Aj_June on Jul 13, 2018 22:17:24 GMT
Heeeyyy
Honestly we are going into quantum physics. To answer this question, I am sorry to say that I have forgotten what I studied in 1973. No we're not. Randomness played a big factor in thermodynamics and the study of steam engines in the 19th century. Quantitative analysis of randomness goes back even further in game theory. Randomness shows up in lots of places. Last time I had heard this argument (the one OP made) was during those freewill vs Determinism debates on old RFS board during the dying days of IMDB. Unfortunately, there's whole lot of nonsense travelling around youtube and other sites.
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Post by heeeeey on Jul 13, 2018 22:19:24 GMT
You misunderstood. I said randomness is the belief of atheists. I qualified it by saying nothing is random.
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Post by heeeeey on Jul 13, 2018 22:22:00 GMT
First, you know that films like Rain Man are works of fiction, right? Do you understand the concept of basing a movie on a real person?
The toothpick counting was included in the movie because it really happened, and he had that ability.
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