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Post by Skaathar on Jul 18, 2018 2:54:29 GMT
I thought it would be interesting to segregate the MCU heroes into respective power classes or levels. I only did the heroes because including the villains would be too many, maybe in a separate thread. I also only included main heroes and only those with decent screen feats (i.e. no Odin or Korg because they lack screen feats). So without further ado:
Class S: Thor w/ Stormbreaker Starlord w/ Ego-boost Dr. Strange w/ time gem
Class A: Ragnarok Thor Dr. Strange w/o time gem Ancient One Ironman w/ nano-armor
Class B: Hulk Hulkbuster Thor (regular) Vision Ghost Rider Loki w/ mind scepter Antman/Giantman (can be either a low Class B or high Class C) Scarlet Witch (can be either a low Class B or high Class C)
Class C: Ironman (standard armor) Warmachine Quake Loki (regular) Valkyrie (and pretty much any elite Asgardians) Iron-Spider Black Panther (nanite suit) Yondu Groot Wasp Wong Quicksilver (can be either a low Class C or high Class D)
Class D: Captain America Black Panther (old suit) Winter Soldier Drax Gamora Starlord Rocket Mantis Luke Cage Jessica Jones Yo-yo
Class E: Black Widow Hawkeye Okoye Falcon Daredevil Ironfist Melinda May (and pretty much any high-end SHIELD agent like Bobbi Morse or Nick Fury) Punisher Colleen Wing
What do you guys think?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2018 4:26:20 GMT
Why is Ant Man in a higher class than Wasp? She actually seems to be more powerful than him.
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Post by Skaathar on Jul 18, 2018 11:42:28 GMT
Why is Ant Man in a higher class than Wasp? She actually seems to be more powerful than him. Because he can turn into giantman, control ants and even go subatomic.
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Post by DSDSquared on Jul 18, 2018 12:06:15 GMT
In the MCU, Captain America is OP now.
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Jul 18, 2018 12:52:34 GMT
A few thoughts:
There should be different versions of Hulk, like there are with Thor and Iron Man. I'd put Ragnarok Hulk in Class A because he's more in control of himself and clearly a better fighter than previous versions. Sure he would've lost to Thor without interference, but still.
In theory I'd like to move Vision to Class A as well, but to your point about screen feats, he hasn't shown us enough.
I'd move Iron Man (standard, and I'm assuming that's Mark anything after the cave) to Class B because he's so versatile. It's a class below nanotech but it's still pretty kick ass. Maybe a new Class A- or something for the Hulkbuster (and possibly Hulk and Thor if we're going that route).
Scarlet Witch is tough because her powers are all over the place. I'd probably drop Ant-Man a class because while he has some impressive feats, he's not entirely in control of what he's doing all the time and I don't know that he could replicate the results if he had to.
Again with Quicksilver I want to say he's easily a Class C but the way they used him, your assessment is dead on. Iron Fist should be a Class D at least, but yeah the way he's been portrayed you can't really say he's superior to high end SHIELD agents, as sad as that is.
Class E is probably the toughest for me to decipher. Some of the stuff Okoye has done makes me want to put her in Class D but I just can't go that far. It's possible she's the head of Class E, though. I also want to say DD is clearly better than Bobbi or Agent May for example but screen feats once again tell a different story when I stop to think about it. Part of me thinks Punisher is just a guy with a gun, then I remember the prison hallway fight scene. He belongs with the others for sure.
I agree with your assessment of Ghost Rider, and that might be just scratching the surface of what he's capable of. I've heard some negative feedback about how he was portrayed on the show but I thought he was great. GR is a fun character, I hope we see more of him in the MCU one way or another.
Fun topic, this definitely got me thinking.
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Post by Skaathar on Jul 18, 2018 13:20:26 GMT
A few thoughts: There should be different versions of Hulk, like there are with Thor and Iron Man. I'd put Ragnarok Hulk in Class A because he's more in control of himself and clearly a better fighter than previous versions. Sure he would've lost to Thor without interference, but still. In theory I'd like to move Vision to Class A as well, but to your point about screen feats, he hasn't shown us enough. I'd move Iron Man (standard, and I'm assuming that's Mark anything after the cave) to Class B because he's so versatile. It's a class below nanotech but it's still pretty kick ass. Maybe a new Class A- or something for the Hulkbuster (and possibly Hulk and Thor if we're going that route). Scarlet Witch is tough because her powers are all over the place. I'd probably drop Ant-Man a class because while he has some impressive feats, he's not entirely in control of what he's doing all the time and I don't know that he could replicate the results if he had to. Again with Quicksilver I want to say he's easily a Class C but the way they used him, your assessment is dead on. Iron Fist should be a Class D at least, but yeah the way he's been portrayed you can't really say he's superior to high end SHIELD agents, as sad as that is. Class E is probably the toughest for me to decipher. Some of the stuff Okoye has done makes me want to put her in Class D but I just can't go that far. It's possible she's the head of Class E, though. I also want to say DD is clearly better than Bobbi or Agent May for example but screen feats once again tell a different story when I stop to think about it. Part of me thinks Punisher is just a guy with a gun, then I remember the prison hallway fight scene. He belongs with the others for sure. I agree with your assessment of Ghost Rider, and that might be just scratching the surface of what he's capable of. I've heard some negative feedback about how he was portrayed on the show but I thought he was great. GR is a fun character, I hope we see more of him in the MCU one way or another. Fun topic, this definitely got me thinking. I thought about making different versions of Hulk but felt the differences between Hulk versions weren't enough to warrant a change in Class. Gladiator Hulk was smarter than the others but he didn't seem that much more powerful than say Avengers Hulk who one-punched that leviathan. Still, I'm open to being convinced otherwise. Regular Ironman I originally had as Class B. I moved him down because it didn't seem like he was quite at the level of Thor, Hulk or Vision. I mean, if he was, he wouldn't have needed to make the Hulkbuster or a 400% power boost to take on Thor. Antman was tricky. On one hand, it took the combined efforts of Ironman, Warmachine and Spiderman to take him down. On the other, Falcon gives him a run for his money. You're right, he's a bit too inconsistent. I'd say he's a low Class B at full potential and a mid-Class C on regular days. Scarlet Witch was a pain to classify. At worst, she's not much higher than Luke Cage. At best, she can probably go against regular Thor. I think it was her performance in IW that made me rank her as Class B. But you're right, she's pretty much all over the place.
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Jul 18, 2018 14:03:04 GMT
A few thoughts: There should be different versions of Hulk, like there are with Thor and Iron Man. I'd put Ragnarok Hulk in Class A because he's more in control of himself and clearly a better fighter than previous versions. Sure he would've lost to Thor without interference, but still. In theory I'd like to move Vision to Class A as well, but to your point about screen feats, he hasn't shown us enough. I'd move Iron Man (standard, and I'm assuming that's Mark anything after the cave) to Class B because he's so versatile. It's a class below nanotech but it's still pretty kick ass. Maybe a new Class A- or something for the Hulkbuster (and possibly Hulk and Thor if we're going that route). Scarlet Witch is tough because her powers are all over the place. I'd probably drop Ant-Man a class because while he has some impressive feats, he's not entirely in control of what he's doing all the time and I don't know that he could replicate the results if he had to. Again with Quicksilver I want to say he's easily a Class C but the way they used him, your assessment is dead on. Iron Fist should be a Class D at least, but yeah the way he's been portrayed you can't really say he's superior to high end SHIELD agents, as sad as that is. Class E is probably the toughest for me to decipher. Some of the stuff Okoye has done makes me want to put her in Class D but I just can't go that far. It's possible she's the head of Class E, though. I also want to say DD is clearly better than Bobbi or Agent May for example but screen feats once again tell a different story when I stop to think about it. Part of me thinks Punisher is just a guy with a gun, then I remember the prison hallway fight scene. He belongs with the others for sure. I agree with your assessment of Ghost Rider, and that might be just scratching the surface of what he's capable of. I've heard some negative feedback about how he was portrayed on the show but I thought he was great. GR is a fun character, I hope we see more of him in the MCU one way or another. Fun topic, this definitely got me thinking. I thought about making different versions of Hulk but felt the differences between Hulk versions weren't enough to warrant a change in Class. Gladiator Hulk was smarter than the others but he didn't seem that much more powerful than say Avengers Hulk who one-punched that leviathan. Still, I'm open to being convinced otherwise. Regular Ironman I originally had as Class B. I moved him down because it didn't seem like he was quite at the level of Thor, Hulk or Vision. I mean, if he was, he wouldn't have needed to make the Hulkbuster or a 400% power boost to take on Thor. Antman was tricky. On one hand, it took the combined efforts of Ironman, Warmachine and Spiderman to take him down. On the other, Falcon gives him a run for his money. You're right, he's a bit too inconsistent. I'd say he's a low Class B at full potential and a mid-Class C on regular days. Scarlet Witch was a pain to classify. At worst, she's not much higher than Luke Cage. At best, she can probably go against regular Thor. I think it was her performance in IW that made me rank her as Class B. But you're right, she's pretty much all over the place. I think that's the hardest part about these classifications, it works as an abstract but it gets harder when you start comparing the characters within a certain class to each other. For example, I would still say Iron Man (standard) is a Class B even though other Class B characters such as Hulk and Thor could beat him (or perhaps they could be moved to a class between A & B). Much like I believe Class E has a hierarchy to it even if within this format they're all essentially on the same power level. i.e. I think Okoye or Black Widow would demolish the Punisher, and Daredevil would easily take out Colleen Wing, but for the purposes of this list they all belong together in the same class. This really is a fun exercise, thanks for posting.
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Post by Skaathar on Jul 18, 2018 14:29:04 GMT
I thought about making different versions of Hulk but felt the differences between Hulk versions weren't enough to warrant a change in Class. Gladiator Hulk was smarter than the others but he didn't seem that much more powerful than say Avengers Hulk who one-punched that leviathan. Still, I'm open to being convinced otherwise. Regular Ironman I originally had as Class B. I moved him down because it didn't seem like he was quite at the level of Thor, Hulk or Vision. I mean, if he was, he wouldn't have needed to make the Hulkbuster or a 400% power boost to take on Thor. Antman was tricky. On one hand, it took the combined efforts of Ironman, Warmachine and Spiderman to take him down. On the other, Falcon gives him a run for his money. You're right, he's a bit too inconsistent. I'd say he's a low Class B at full potential and a mid-Class C on regular days. Scarlet Witch was a pain to classify. At worst, she's not much higher than Luke Cage. At best, she can probably go against regular Thor. I think it was her performance in IW that made me rank her as Class B. But you're right, she's pretty much all over the place. I think that's the hardest part about these classifications, it works as an abstract but it gets harder when you start comparing the characters within a certain class to each other. For example, I would still say Iron Man (standard) is a Class B even though other Class B characters such as Hulk and Thor could beat him (or perhaps they could be moved to a class between A & B). Much like I believe Class E has a hierarchy to it even if within this format they're all essentially on the same power level. i.e. I think Okoye or Black Widow would demolish the Punisher, and Daredevil would easily take out Colleen Wing, but for the purposes of this list they all belong together in the same class. This really is a fun exercise, thanks for posting. The thing about Punisher is that even though I don't think he can match Okoye or BW (or even Ironfist) in pure melee, he can easily snipe them from afar. And that's what makes him equally powerful, it's because with his guns and gear he can be just as dangerous if not more so. Then again, if I'm using that logic for Punisher then I guess I really should make Ironman Class B since his genius allows him to do stuff outside of a direct fight that nevertheless raises his worth.
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Post by Power Ranger on Jul 18, 2018 15:13:48 GMT
I think that's the hardest part about these classifications, it works as an abstract but it gets harder when you start comparing the characters within a certain class to each other. For example, I would still say Iron Man (standard) is a Class B even though other Class B characters such as Hulk and Thor could beat him (or perhaps they could be moved to a class between A & B). Much like I believe Class E has a hierarchy to it even if within this format they're all essentially on the same power level. i.e. I think Okoye or Black Widow would demolish the Punisher, and Daredevil would easily take out Colleen Wing, but for the purposes of this list they all belong together in the same class. This really is a fun exercise, thanks for posting. The thing about Punisher is that even though I don't think he can match Okoye or BW (or even Ironfist) in pure melee, he can easily snipe them from afar. And that's what makes him equally powerful, it's because with his guns and gear he can be just as dangerous if not more so. Then again, if I'm using that logic for Punisher then I guess I really should make Ironman Class B since his genius allows him to do stuff outside of a direct fight that nevertheless raises his worth. Then Shuri is an S.
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Post by scabab on Jul 18, 2018 22:00:39 GMT
I'll have a go
Class S
Thor (Stormbreaker) Doctor Strange (Time Stone)
Class A
The Ancient One Doctor Strange Iron Man Mark L Scarlet Witch Star-Lord (Celestial)
Class B
Hulk Thor Iron Man Hulkbuster Vision
Class C
Drax Gamora Nebula Star-Lord Rocket Racoon Iron Man War Machine Giant Man
Class D
Black Panther Captain America Winter Solider Spider-man
Class E
Luke Cage Iron Fist
Class F
Daredevil Jessica Jones Black Widow Hawkeye Falcon Ant-man
By all rights, Drax should be above Captain America. Captain America was completely outmatched by Loki. Loki as a Frost Giant is comparable to a Asgardian like Lady Sif. Lady Sif matched one of the Kree Warriors in Agents of Shield. Korath was a Kree and Drax easily beat him.
So Drax > Lady Sif / Loki / Korath > Captain America
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Post by Skaathar on Jul 18, 2018 22:04:34 GMT
So Drax > Lady Sif / Loki / Korath > Captain America To be fair, the Kree power levels are all over the place. One kree managed to match Sif, then some Kree were defeated in h2h by Melinda May, then you have Ronan who easily destroyed Drax. But is Korath really Kree? He didn't have their telltale blue skin.
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Post by scabab on Jul 18, 2018 22:28:47 GMT
To be fair, the Kree power levels are all over the place. One kree managed to match Sif, then some Kree were defeated in h2h by Melinda May, then you have Ronan who easily destroyed Drax. But is Korath really Kree? He didn't have their telltale blue skin. Well they would likely vary in the same way as other races. Comparing Ronan to an average Kree Warrior would be like comparing Thor to an average Asgardian Warrior I suppose. But yeah Korath is Kree. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korath_the_PursuerFor the movie it just says "Korath's early designs included blue skin, but painting Djimon Hounsou's skin was scrapped during production."
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Post by Skaathar on Apr 11, 2019 0:01:21 GMT
Editing to include Captain Marvel:
Class S: Thor w/ Stormbreaker Starlord w/ Ego-boost Dr. Strange w/ time gem
Class A: Ragnarok Thor Dr. Strange w/o time gem Ancient One Ironman w/ nano-armor
Class B: Captain Marvel (I have a feeling she should be Class A, but as of now she hasn't gone against enough high-end opponents to be sure) Hulk Hulkbuster Thor (regular) Vision Ghost Rider Loki w/ mind scepter Antman/Giantman (can be either a low Class B or high Class C) Scarlet Witch (can be either a low Class B or high Class C)
Class C: Ironman (standard armor) Warmachine Quake Loki (regular) Valkyrie (and pretty much any elite Asgardians) Iron-Spider Black Panther (nanite suit) Yondu Groot Wasp Wong Quicksilver (can be either a low Class C or high Class D)
Class D: Captain America Black Panther (old suit) Winter Soldier Drax Gamora Starlord Rocket Mantis Luke Cage Jessica Jones Yo-yo
Class E: Black Widow Hawkeye Okoye Falcon Daredevil Ironfist Melinda May (and pretty much any high-end SHIELD agent like Bobbi Morse or Nick Fury) Punisher Colleen Wing
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Post by DC-Fan on Apr 11, 2019 0:39:16 GMT
So Drax > Lady Sif / Loki / Korath > Captain America the Kree power levels are all over the place. One kree managed to match Sif, then some Kree were defeated in h2h by Melinda May, then you have Ronan who easily destroyed Drax. So MCU is inconsistent as usual.
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Post by Skaathar on Apr 11, 2019 1:18:56 GMT
the Kree power levels are all over the place. One kree managed to match Sif, then some Kree were defeated in h2h by Melinda May, then you have Ronan who easily destroyed Drax. So MCU is inconsistent as usual. Yeah they're a bit inconsistent, nowhere near as bad as the DCEU though.
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Post by politicidal on Apr 11, 2019 2:44:01 GMT
Goose: over 9000.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2019 2:57:04 GMT
Neat!
I'd consider putting Groot higher because he lifted Stormbreaker. But that's not a deal breaker. Especially since I don't really know if it means he's worthy. Technically he lifted the blade with what would become the handle. I assume he can pick it up in its current form, handle and all, but I don't know for sure. So not a deal breaker.
The only genuine one that leaps out at me is Iron Fist. He's the only one in the lowest tier who I think is supernaturally assisted by powers mystical enough to give him a genuine advantage. I also think there's more to his powers than is led on, like healing for example. More than anything, he leaps out at me as the only one in his tier with abilities.
I gather it's just physical, because there are kill-shots somebody like Black Widow or Punisher would take that Danny Rand wouldn't. He's not always about fighting, but if he were more like The Punisher, he could do some serious damage with his fist.
Like if he succumbed to mind control and was let loose on the city, that could be an issue.
I guess I'd be lying if I thought Mantis or Jessica Jones could take him. I know season 3 was cancelled but if the end of season 2 means he can summon the fist in both hands like Davos was doing, that's dangerous.
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Post by scabab on Apr 11, 2019 3:03:27 GMT
What?! Theres no way that could be right!
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Post by poutinep on Apr 11, 2019 4:41:55 GMT
Neat!
I'd consider putting Groot higher because he lifted Stormbreaker. But that's not a deal breaker. Especially since I don't really know if it means he's worthy. Technically he lifted the blade with what would become the handle. I assume he can pick it up in its current form, handle and all, but I don't know for sure. So not a deal breaker. Only Thor could lift Mjolnir because, as we saw, Odin enchanted it in the first Thor movie when he cast Thor into Midgard.
Stormbreaker received no such enchantment. I guess the uru metal is pretty special but I feel like Thor was bullshitting the Guardians when he said their 'minds would collapse into madness' if they tried to wield it...
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2019 6:02:52 GMT
Neat!
I'd consider putting Groot higher because he lifted Stormbreaker. But that's not a deal breaker. Especially since I don't really know if it means he's worthy. Technically he lifted the blade with what would become the handle. I assume he can pick it up in its current form, handle and all, but I don't know for sure. So not a deal breaker. Only Thor could lift Mjolnir because, as we saw, Odin enchanted it in the first Thor movie when he cast Thor into Midgard.
Stormbreaker received no such enchantment. I guess the uru metal is pretty special but I feel like Thor was bullshitting the Guardians when he said their 'minds would collapse into madness' if they tried to wield it...
I could see that. Just to see the look on Starlord's face.
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