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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2018 16:43:03 GMT
Why are some religious people offended when you say you don`t believe in God?
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Post by progressiveelement on Jul 18, 2018 16:50:48 GMT
Asshats
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Jul 18, 2018 17:16:48 GMT
Why are some religious people offended when you say you don`t believe in God? oeople can be offended by any number of silly things.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2018 13:21:51 GMT
Why are some religious people offended when you say you don`t believe in God?
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Post by OldSamVimes on Jul 19, 2018 13:23:26 GMT
Because most people who say they don't believe in God act like they do.
And most people who say 'I don't believe in God' fail to define what their definition of what 'God' is, so it's essentially a meaningless statement.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2018 14:17:22 GMT
Because most people who say they don't believe in God act like they do. In what way?
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Post by Isapop on Jul 19, 2018 16:48:16 GMT
Because most people who say they don't believe in God act like they do. If ever an assertion was obviously crying out for some elaboration, it's surely this one.
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Post by lowtacks86 on Jul 19, 2018 17:16:17 GMT
Probably because it's a threat to their religion (people are far more likely to go from religion to atheism/secularism than the other way around)
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Jul 19, 2018 17:51:55 GMT
Probably because it's a threat to their religion (people are far more likely to go from religion to atheism/secularism than the other way around) I maintain there is very little evidence that atheist are rage inducing unless they say something stupid that is rage inducing (Derp! We’re smarter than you stupid religious people! Derp!) which the religion hating kind are prone to do. Of course maybe there are some kind of religious nuts out there scared of coming out as atheists and thus being angry at running into what they want to become. For every idiot like Dawkins there’s a thousand who actually know how to get along with people and I can’t imagine too many being bent out of shape about them. After all there’s a lot of atheist kids out there with religious parents and they all manage to get through thanksgiving together.
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Post by OpiateOfTheMasses on Jul 19, 2018 21:27:41 GMT
Probably because it's a threat to their religion (people are far more likely to go from religion to atheism/secularism than the other way around) I maintain there is very little evidence that atheist are rage inducing unless they say something stupid that is rage inducing (Derp! We’re smarter than you stupid religious people! Derp!) which the religion hating kind are prone to do. Of course maybe there are some kind of religious nuts out there scared of coming out as atheists and thus being angry at running into what they want to become. For every idiot like Dawkins there’s a thousand who actually know how to get along with people and I can’t imagine too many being bent out of shape about them. After all there’s a lot of atheist kids out there with religious parents and they all manage to get through thanksgiving together. The thing I'm most likely to say to a theist is "your beliefs don't entitle you to special treatment/exemption from laws/taxes/etc - we expect you behave at least as well as the next guy" or "don't try to force your religious principles on others (e.g. gay rights, anti-abortion, etc) - if you don't to do it personally that's your choice no-one is making you do it, but your religious beliefs are not a source of authority to prevent other people doing it". And that seems to piss some of them off, cos some of them think they are special and they're following God's will instead. But of course, the overwhelming majority of believers "in the street" do follow the rules and don't try to force their opinions on others. And atheists leave them alone. It's only the outspoken ones you meet (either here or on the street) trying to force their opinions on people that meet the resistance and then they suddenly claim that atheists are picking on them because... well they're not being allowed to pick on others I guess?
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Jul 19, 2018 21:45:47 GMT
OpiateOfTheMassesSee, I can't figure out the context where this would be an important thing to say. I don;t care if someone is outspoken to me although the notion of someone explaining their beliefs as being the equivalent of being outspoken is an odd concept to me. It;s no different than anyone sharing any opinion (Abortion and gay marriage are awesome for example...). If someone has a belief or an ideology they feel strongly about, it would be odd that they remain silent about it.
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Post by lowtacks86 on Jul 19, 2018 22:10:14 GMT
Probably because it's a threat to their religion (people are far more likely to go from religion to atheism/secularism than the other way around) I maintain there is very little evidence that atheist are rage inducing unless they say something stupid that is rage inducing (Derp! We’re smarter than you stupid religious people! Derp!) which the religion hating kind are prone to do. Of course maybe there are some kind of religious nuts out there scared of coming out as atheists and thus being angry at running into what they want to become. For every idiot like Dawkins there’s a thousand who actually know how to get along with people and I can’t imagine too many being bent out of shape about them. After all there’s a lot of atheist kids out there with religious parents and they all manage to get through thanksgiving together. "I maintain there is very little evidence that atheist are rage inducing unless they say something stupid that is rage inducing"
Depends on what part of the world. Syria for instance:
Me: I don't believe in God
Everyone else: Stone him!
Also try running for public office as an atheist in say, Alabama. Your name probably won't even appear on the ballot.
"For every idiot like Dawkins there’s a thousand who actually know how to get along with people and I can’t imagine too many being bent out of shape about them."
You're free to disagree with Dawkins on religion, but I don't see how you can honestly refer to a well respected Oxford scientist as an "idiot". I can't sand Ben Carson's views on religion and politics, but I'm not gonna go as far as to call a well educated brain surgeon a moron.
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Jul 19, 2018 22:25:48 GMT
lowtacks86True I guess but then we aren't talk about a common enough occurrence to even think about which I guess is why I don;t see it too often. If he had stuck to what he trained for, he would be a freaking genius. Unfortunately he took it upon himself to be primarily known as a moron in relation to religious belief. A person being a scholar in something does not make them a scholar in everything and Dawkins is clearly lacking. In fact, his analogies regarding religion are making his scientific background suspect.
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Post by lowtacks86 on Jul 19, 2018 22:37:41 GMT
lowtacks86 True I guess but then we aren't talk about a common enough occurrence to even think about which I guess is why I don;t see it too often. If he had stuck to what he trained for, he would be a freaking genius. Unfortunately he took it upon himself to be primarily known as a moron in relation to religious belief. A person being a scholar in something does not make them a scholar in everything and Dawkins is clearly lacking. In fact, his analogies regarding religion are making his scientific background suspect. "A person being a scholar in something does not make them a scholar in everything and Dawkins is clearly lacking"
I don't dispute that, but simply writing someone off as a moron for allegedly not being proficient in one field/study isn't the best criteria. Otherwise you could write off almost anyone as an idiot for not being fluent in Mandarin if were gonna go by highly selective standards.
"In fact, his analogies regarding religion are making his scientific background suspect."
You do realize scientists are overwhelmingly atheist/non religious right? Not all, but a good chunk of scientists would probably agree with his views on religion.
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Post by Aj_June on Jul 19, 2018 22:40:44 GMT
Given that the OP has properly qualified his question by using "some" religious people and not religious people in general, there can be many acceptable answers to this question.
I do remember my visit to Hyde Park, London and I also remember living around Barking, Essex for close to an year. There was a Muslim Dawah centre in nearby East Ham area and remembering my interactions with people of Dawah centre and religious people I met at Hyde Park I have these reasons to mention for the question posed by OP.
1) They want to save you. Some people believe that their god is the true one and feeling that you are not following the true religion or true god may move them to a feeling of pity. They get offended because they believe recognising the true religion/true god is not that difficult (based on their arguments which they believe are very solid) and thus if you are not following the true religion then you are not being serious in the search of truth.
2) They believe your lifestyle is immoral or corrupt. Some religious people do think that you should live according to moral standards set by their god. So if you eat pork or if you are in a live-in relationship then you may be living an immoral life.
3) They have been brainwashed by fundamentalists/extremists.
and there are some more reasons.....That said lately I have seen at least some atheists who kind of dislike the fact that some other people are religious.
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Post by OldSamVimes on Jul 20, 2018 6:20:38 GMT
Because most people who say they don't believe in God act like they do. In what way? I was paraphrasing Jordan Peterson in the debates he had with Sam Harris on this topic. It has to do with the definition of 'God', how our personal 'God' takes the form of our highest ideal. What's guiding us to positive ideals and behaviors, helping others and whatnot, can be called 'God'. Since human beings can no more fathom 'God' than a fruit fly can fathom how a jet engine works (my analogy), any debate about belief in God will get bogged down and restricted by the limitations of our human senses.
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Post by Marv on Jul 20, 2018 7:48:10 GMT
Because it’s someone writing off something that person loves. It’s probably a similar feeling to some people who are patriotic and they hear their neighbors say something like ‘our country sucks!’
That’s my guess anyway. It’s pleasant to know that others appreciate what you appreciate. So when the opposite happens people can get defensive about it.
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Post by Aj_June on Jul 20, 2018 7:52:08 GMT
Because it’s someone writing off something that person loves. It’s probably a similar feeling to some people who are patriotic and they hear their neighbors say something like ‘our country sucks!’ That’s my guess anyway. It’s pleasant to know that others appreciate what you appreciate. So when the opposite happens people can get defensive about it. Would it matter to you if your co-worker says New England rocks and Steelers suck? or that they hope New England wins and Steelers lose. Mind you the coworker is not from New England but from your own area. Would it make any difference in emotions/mood?
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Post by Marv on Jul 20, 2018 8:07:03 GMT
Because it’s someone writing off something that person loves. It’s probably a similar feeling to some people who are patriotic and they hear their neighbors say something like ‘our country sucks!’ That’s my guess anyway. It’s pleasant to know that others appreciate what you appreciate. So when the opposite happens people can get defensive about it. Would it matter to you if your co-worker says New England rocks and Steelers suck? or that they hope New England wins and Steelers lose. Mind you the coworker is not from New England but from your own area. Would it make any difference in emotions/mood? Not overly, but I don’t really take sports all that seriously. As much as I love the Steelers I don’t get upset if people root for other teams. Even people in my area. I grew up with a kid that loved Dallas. Never even been out of PA but loved the Cowboys. We ribbed him, even still, but it’s not a big deal.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2018 12:39:23 GMT
I was paraphrasing Jordan Peterson in the debates he had with Sam Harris on this topic. It has to do with the definition of 'God', how our personal 'God' takes the form of our highest ideal. What's guiding us to positive ideals and behaviors, helping others and whatnot, can be called 'God'. So for example if it was our natural empathy for one another, evolved as a survival strategy, that guided us to positive behaviours and whatnot... then you are saying that by definition, evolution is god? I guess everyone has the right to their own personal definition of god if they want it. I'm not sure that one would be widely shared, though. As such, I think Mr Peterson risks being rather badly misunderstood if he uses phrases like "atheists act like they believe in god", when "atheists act like they believe in evolution" would probably make it far easier to grasp his point.
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