|
Post by goz on Jul 23, 2018 20:58:04 GMT
I can’t imagine anyone being in fear of gay sex had by others. Sometimes you actually sound truly Christian whilst others who profess to be 'Christian' don't, (Cody and Co) in the judging others department. Tell me, do you extend this view of being non-judgmental of others to other areas such as abortion, for instance?
|
|
|
Post by CoolJGS☺ on Jul 23, 2018 21:26:18 GMT
I can’t imagine anyone being in fear of gay sex had by others. Sometimes you actually sound truly Christian whilst others who profess to be 'Christian' don't, (Cody and Co) in the judging others department. Tell me, do you extend this view of being non-judgmental of others to other areas such as abortion, for instance? Well, when I state the obvious people think I'm proclaiming judgements. I am perfectly fine with people thinking that. However, my thought process is I don;t have the power or authority to judge anyone and yet I can't control someone thinking they are being judged. I do have a lot of opinions though such as abortions are a horrible practice overall. I don't care if anyone gets one though as long as I don't have anything to do with it.
|
|
|
Post by goz on Jul 23, 2018 21:41:35 GMT
Sometimes you actually sound truly Christian whilst others who profess to be 'Christian' don't, (Cody and Co) in the judging others department. Tell me, do you extend this view of being non-judgmental of others to other areas such as abortion, for instance? Well, when I state the obvious people think I'm proclaiming judgements. I am perfectly fine with people thinking that. However, my thought process is I don;t have the power or authority to judge anyone and yet I can't control someone thinking they are being judged. I do have a lot of opinions though such as abortions are a horrible practice overall. I don't care if anyone gets one though as long as I don't have anything to do with it. Interestingly, we both agree on this.
|
|
|
Post by goz on Jul 24, 2018 2:06:31 GMT
So the bible should be disregarded altogether for being anti-homosexuality huh? Let’s roll out some facts. - Only 9% of homosexuals have been in a relationship last longer than 15 years. * These relationships are almost never monogamous * - Only 4.5% of homosexual men will stay faithful. Some studies conclude that even 4.5% is an optimistic figure. *Compared to 85% of heterosexual women & 75% of heterosexual men* - In a study of 156 gay men. Only 7 were monogamous. All 7 were together for less than 5 years. In other words none were monogamous after 5 years in relationship. - In a study of 900 gay men who claimed they were in a commited relationship. *747 of them(83%) reported having sex with someone outside their relationship within the past 12 months. - Incidences of domestic violence are double in homosexual relationships compared to heterosexual relationships. - 75% of homosexuals will experience some form of domestic violence at some point in their lives. - Homosexuals will suffer far more mental health problems. - Lesbian women are twice as likely to report mental heath problems as straight women. - Gay men are more than twice as likely to report mental health problems compared to straight men. - People in gay marriages are 3 times for likely to commit suicide than those in straight marriages. - Young people are 4 times for likely to commit suicide if they’ve participated in gay behaviours. - Gay people are far more likely to suffer from these diseases than straight people. Chlamydia trachomatis Cryptosporidium Giardia lamblia Herpes simplex virus HIV Human Papilloma virus Isospora Belli Microsporidia Gonorrhoea Viral hepatitis B&C Syphilis - HIV diagnoses alone is 44 times higher in gay men and 40 times higher in gay women compared to straights. - On average homosexuals will die 20 years younger than straight people due to diseases inherent with the gay lifestyle. Looks to to me like the bible could be on to something calling the homo lifestyle a no no. Homosexuality is a sin in the bible because not only is it contrary to God’s design for us but because by practicing it gays do damage to their own bodies. The only sin, is your state of being, if you believe that all these anecdotal and bogus stats are absolute and concrete. Your reasoning is selective and corrupt and your soul is tainted by darkness.
A further comment on Cody's disgraceful evil bigoted homophobic anti-Christian diatribe, is that if even a a percentage of all the stats and points it makes are valid, that it is lucky that modern homosexuals live in age of technology where modern medicine can cure or ameliorate any symptoms of such alleged disease, unlike in the past when being a homosexual was even more problematic for them to follow their birthright and live as they are with their pre-ordained sexuality. You would think that good Christians would be pleased for them?
|
|
|
Post by drystyx on Jul 24, 2018 2:19:56 GMT
So the bible should be disregarded altogether for being anti-homosexuality huh? Let’s roll out some facts. - Only 9% of homosexuals have been in a relationship last longer than 15 years. * These relationships are almost never monogamous * - Only 4.5% of homosexual men will stay faithful. Some studies conclude that even 4.5% is an optimistic figure. *Compared to 85% of heterosexual women & 75% of heterosexual men* - In a study of 156 gay men. Only 7 were monogamous. All 7 were together for less than 5 years. In other words none were monogamous after 5 years in relationship. - In a study of 900 gay men who claimed they were in a commited relationship. *747 of them(83%) reported having sex with someone outside their relationship within the past 12 months. - Incidences of domestic violence are double in homosexual relationships compared to heterosexual relationships. - 75% of homosexuals will experience some form of domestic violence at some point in their lives. - Homosexuals will suffer far more mental health problems. - Lesbian women are twice as likely to report mental heath problems as straight women. - Gay men are more than twice as likely to report mental health problems compared to straight men. - People in gay marriages are 3 times for likely to commit suicide than those in straight marriages. - Young people are 4 times for likely to commit suicide if they’ve participated in gay behaviours. - Gay people are far more likely to suffer from these diseases than straight people. Chlamydia trachomatis Cryptosporidium Giardia lamblia Herpes simplex virus HIV Human Papilloma virus Isospora Belli Microsporidia Gonorrhoea Viral hepatitis B&C Syphilis - HIV diagnoses alone is 44 times higher in gay men and 40 times higher in gay women compared to straights. - On average homosexuals will die 20 years younger than straight people due to diseases inherent with the gay lifestyle. Looks to to me like the bible could be on to something calling the homo lifestyle a no no. Homosexuality is a sin in the bible because not only is it contrary to God’s design for us but because by practicing it gays do damage to their own bodies. - Half of these so-called “facts” are made up! - The other half are things the bible doesn’t even address. In fact, it literally gives NO logical reasons whatsoever for why homosexuality should be a sin at all. - Even IF all of those things were actually facts, AND we completely disregard the context surrounding such facts, none of those are indicative of homosexuality being morally wrong in any capacity, because they don’t guarantee that every homosexual will exhibit these actions, conditions, or behaviors. All it does is highlight certain struggles the homosexual community has to deal with (usually caused by abuse and discrimination). Your argument is akin to suggesting that being black is a sin because black people statistically commit more crimes, are more likely to be in prison, are more likely to grow up with a single parent, are more likely to be poor, and less likely to have a higher education. That’s essentially the argument you are making. I hate agreeing with Captain Bryce, but not being sure what people are trying to say and where they stand with the way they're speaking, I find Bryce's comments here to be the accurate ones. All of those statistics prove nothing, except perhaps what Bryce says. And from my observations, I find what Bryce says here to be an accurate assessment. The mental disorders, the anguish and pain symptoms, I feel safe to say are because of a fear and dread of other people's reactions to their conditions. I don't know and don't care if these people are gay by nature or choice, because they are struggling against a stacked deck, IMO, and are abused and harassed by people who have zero motivation and zero justification in their reasons for harassing these people. Zero. I can understand harassing someone who poisons your air, or someone who tries to hurt you, or someone who steals from you, or someone who cheats you, but there is no understanding people who want to throw stones at gay people, because the throwing of stones here is completely unprovoked, and the gay people know it, and have to deal with the uncertainty of that among other people. No wonder they have issues with mental health.
|
|
|
Post by Cody™ on Jul 24, 2018 8:03:57 GMT
|
|
|
Post by captainbryce on Jul 24, 2018 15:07:05 GMT
- Half of these so-called “facts” are made up! - The other half are things the bible doesn’t even address. In fact, it literally gives NO logical reasons whatsoever for why homosexuality should be a sin at all. - Even IF all of those things were actually facts, AND we completely disregard the context surrounding such facts, none of those are indicative of homosexuality being morally wrong in any capacity, because they don’t guarantee that every homosexual will exhibit these actions, conditions, or behaviors. All it does is highlight certain struggles the homosexual community has to deal with (usually caused by abuse and discrimination). Your argument is akin to suggesting that being black is a sin because black people statistically commit more crimes, are more likely to be in prison, are more likely to grow up with a single parent, are more likely to be poor, and less likely to have a higher education. That’s essentially the argument you are making. I hate agreeing with Captain Bryce, but not being sure what people are trying to say and where they stand with the way they're speaking, I find Bryce's comments here to be the accurate ones. All of those statistics prove nothing, except perhaps what Bryce says. And from my observations, I find what Bryce says here to be an accurate assessment. The mental disorders, the anguish and pain symptoms, I feel safe to say are because of a fear and dread of other people's reactions to their conditions. I don't know and don't care if these people are gay by nature or choice, because they are struggling against a stacked deck, IMO, and are abused and harassed by people who have zero motivation and zero justification in their reasons for harassing these people. Zero. I can understand harassing someone who poisons your air, or someone who tries to hurt you, or someone who steals from you, or someone who cheats you, but there is no understanding people who want to throw stones at gay people, because the throwing of stones here is completely unprovoked, and the gay people know it, and have to deal with the uncertainty of that among other people. No wonder they have issues with mental health. Not sure why you hate agreeing with me though.
|
|
|
Post by goz on Jul 24, 2018 20:58:42 GMT
That was not a study. That was the submission by one individual to the Senate Committee of the Australian Government when they were reviewing whether to legislate for gay marriage in Australia. It is the same cherry picked bigoted point of view as yours, by a retired counsellor with no special qualifications and like you, it cherry picked various 'studies' from around the world to bolster that particular view. It was based on this view that God disapproves which is unproven, even in the Bible. It did not work because the government had a plebecite of the Australian people whether to allow gay marriage and the result was almost 70% in favour, so we now have it.
|
|
|
Post by goz on Jul 26, 2018 20:51:48 GMT
That was not a study. That was the submission by one individual to the Senate Committee of the Australian Government when they were reviewing whether to legislate for gay marriage in Australia. It is the same cherry picked bigoted point of view as yours, by a retired counsellor with no special qualifications and like you, it cherry picked various 'studies' from around the world to bolster that particular view. It was based on this view that God disapproves which is unproven, even in the Bible. It did not work because the government had a plebecite of the Australian people whether to allow gay marriage and the result was almost 70% in favour, so we now have it.I wonder how the result would have turned out, if the 5 million that didn't vote— including myself—in this ridiculous thing had returned a response? Well, I didn't support that ridiculous thing either butt I did not want the result to be to skewed so voted anyway and encouraged everyone I knew to vote despite being disappointed in a few 'friend's' votes. Did you not vote on principle? or some other reason?
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
@Deleted
Posts: 0
Likes:
|
Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2018 21:41:42 GMT
Outside some very mild literary interest, I honestly don't really care whether the bible is for or against homosexuality.
If it's against, it just makes the character depicted in the book a little more evil than it otherwise is. As such it casts the people and religions whose behaviour is based on the book (not that there are any of those really, as virtually everyone just cherry picks the bits they agree with) in a slightly worse light. Otherwise... that's about it.
Meh. Big whup.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
@Deleted
Posts: 0
Likes:
|
Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2018 22:06:01 GMT
Well, anti gay stuff is in the Bible (as well as other outdated, regressive ideas), I don't see how any intellectually honest person could say otherwise. That's why it's best to just disregard the Bible altogether instead of trying to make clumsy, contrived apologetics of how it doesn't promote homophobia. So the bible should be disregarded altogether for being anti-homosexuality huh? Let’s roll out some facts. - Only 9% of homosexuals have been in a relationship last longer than 15 years. * These relationships are almost never monogamous * - Only 4.5% of homosexual men will stay faithful. Some studies conclude that even 4.5% is an optimistic figure. *Compared to 85% of heterosexual women & 75% of heterosexual men* - In a study of 156 gay men. Only 7 were monogamous. All 7 were together for less than 5 years. In other words none were monogamous after 5 years in relationship. - In a study of 900 gay men who claimed they were in a commited relationship. *747 of them(83%) reported having sex with someone outside their relationship within the past 12 months. - Incidences of domestic violence are double in homosexual relationships compared to heterosexual relationships. - 75% of homosexuals will experience some form of domestic violence at some point in their lives. - Homosexuals will suffer far more mental health problems. - Lesbian women are twice as likely to report mental heath problems as straight women. - Gay men are more than twice as likely to report mental health problems compared to straight men. - People in gay marriages are 3 times for likely to commit suicide than those in straight marriages. - Young people are 4 times for likely to commit suicide if they’ve participated in gay behaviours. - Gay people are far more likely to suffer from these diseases than straight people. Chlamydia trachomatis Cryptosporidium Giardia lamblia Herpes simplex virus HIV Human Papilloma virus Isospora Belli Microsporidia Gonorrhoea Viral hepatitis B&C Syphilis - HIV diagnoses alone is 44 times higher in gay men and 40 times higher in gay women compared to straights. - On average homosexuals will die 20 years younger than straight people due to diseases inherent with the gay lifestyle. Looks to to me like the bible could be on to something calling the homo lifestyle a no no. Homosexuality is a sin in the bible because not only is it contrary to God’s design for us but because by practicing it gays do damage to their own bodies. So, what is your source for these statements? The National Enquirer?
|
|
|
Post by CoolJGS☺ on Jul 29, 2018 12:06:28 GMT
|
|
|
Post by goz on Jul 29, 2018 21:33:35 GMT
It is absolutely scandalous that you and Cody cite that website as authoritative. It is a website devoted to scanning for articles in favour of the conservative view on: (From the heading of what other articles are available to link on that website) 1. Family Values 2. Pro-life values. 3. Judicial (consisting mostly of legislation relating to the above) 4. Religious Freedom (ie ways religious bigots can impose their views on others) At best the so-called sources are cherry picked, at worst they are inflated figures to add to the conservative Christian cause of bigotry against homosexuals. Frankly it is disgraceful UN-CHRISTIAN. EVEN if some of the statistics are correct or nearly so. So what? They merely attempt to prove that homosexual people are different to heterosexual people in a few respects. So what if they have more sexual partners owing to the nature of their sexual preferences? So what if they have shorter relationships ( just look at the heterosexual divorce rate) So what if fewer of them have children? It is natural that if you have to take artificial means to have children that fewer couples do it and those couples must be particularly devoted to having children. So what if they suffer more from different diseases to the heterosexual population?( if so, which I am not convinced). One has only to look at the self inflicted diseases of the heterosexual community such as morbid obesity, diabetes, lung cancer or liver cancer to call into question their 'different' lifestyle choices which cause them harm. Frankly you and Cody and all those other 'holier than though god-bothers' who are bigots against homosexuals make me sick. You are amoral hypocrites and nasty people pretending to be moral and 'Christian.
|
|
|
Post by CoolJGS☺ on Jul 30, 2018 1:01:47 GMT
It is absolutely scandalous that you and Cody cite that website as authoritative. It is a website devoted to scanning for articles in favour of the conservative view on: (From the heading of what other articles are available to link on that website) 1. Family Values 2. Pro-life values. 3. Judicial (consisting mostly of legislation relating to the above) 4. Religious Freedom (ie ways religious bigots can impose their views on others) At best the so-called sources are cherry picked, at worst they are inflated figures to add to the conservative Christian cause of bigotry against homosexuals. Frankly it is disgraceful UN-CHRISTIAN. EVEN if some of the statistics are correct or nearly so. So what? They merely attempt to prove that homosexual people are different to heterosexual people in a few respects. So what if they have more sexual partners owing to the nature of their sexual preferences? So what if they have shorter relationships ( just look at the heterosexual divorce rate) So what if fewer of them have children? It is natural that if you have to take artificial means to have children that fewer couples do it and those couples must be particularly devoted to having children. So what if they suffer more from different diseases to the heterosexual population?( if so, which I am not convinced). One has only to look at the self inflicted diseases of the heterosexual community such as morbid obesity, diabetes, lung cancer or liver cancer to call into question their 'different' lifestyle choices which cause them harm. Frankly you and Cody and all those other 'holier than though god-bothers' who are bigots against homosexuals make me sick. You are amoral hypocrites and nasty people pretending to be moral and 'Christian. I in no way cited it as authoritative. It obviously is not. I am simply providing a link. I often do the research others should do whether I agree with the info or not. I do it for Trumpers on the politics board all the time.
|
|
|
Post by goz on Jul 30, 2018 7:45:57 GMT
It is absolutely scandalous that you and Cody cite that website as authoritative. It is a website devoted to scanning for articles in favour of the conservative view on: (From the heading of what other articles are available to link on that website) 1. Family Values 2. Pro-life values. 3. Judicial (consisting mostly of legislation relating to the above) 4. Religious Freedom (ie ways religious bigots can impose their views on others) At best the so-called sources are cherry picked, at worst they are inflated figures to add to the conservative Christian cause of bigotry against homosexuals. Frankly it is disgraceful UN-CHRISTIAN. EVEN if some of the statistics are correct or nearly so. So what? They merely attempt to prove that homosexual people are different to heterosexual people in a few respects. So what if they have more sexual partners owing to the nature of their sexual preferences? So what if they have shorter relationships ( just look at the heterosexual divorce rate) So what if fewer of them have children? It is natural that if you have to take artificial means to have children that fewer couples do it and those couples must be particularly devoted to having children. So what if they suffer more from different diseases to the heterosexual population?( if so, which I am not convinced). One has only to look at the self inflicted diseases of the heterosexual community such as morbid obesity, diabetes, lung cancer or liver cancer to call into question their 'different' lifestyle choices which cause them harm. Frankly you and Cody and all those other 'holier than though god-bothers' who are bigots against homosexuals make me sick. You are amoral hypocrites and nasty people pretending to be moral and 'Christian. I in no way cited it as authoritative. It obviously is not. I am simply providing a link. I often do the research others should do whether I agree with the info or not. I do it for Trumpers on the politics board all the time. You total wanker! You were patently 'assisting stupid bigoted "Christian" dipshits like Cody' and supporting his position, by posting that link. You are one slimy untrustworthy poster who posts what is expedient to your agenda, and then backs down like a wimpy coward when questioned and called out on anything.
|
|
|
Post by CoolJGS☺ on Jul 30, 2018 11:01:02 GMT
I in no way cited it as authoritative. It obviously is not. I am simply providing a link. I often do the research others should do whether I agree with the info or not. I do it for Trumpers on the politics board all the time. You total wanker! You were patently 'assisting stupid bigoted "Christian" dipshits like Cody' and supporting his position, by posting that link. You are one slimy untrustworthy poster who posts what is expedient to your agenda, and then backs down like a wimpy coward when questioned and called out on anything. I was assisting the thread. If people didn't want a link to the information, then why request it? You assume too much about me which goes back to your own prejudices.
|
|