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Post by charzhino on Aug 7, 2018 18:01:29 GMT
All 20 movies have been successful and well liked so its the only type that they need to make. On the other hand the last X-men movie was neither successful nor well liked neither will the next one. 20 movies where most are media darlings to critics who dont judge all comic films equally. The last Xmen movie was disappointing. The only thing MCU have/had over Fox is good oversight and management. Xmen Apocalypse was a product of a disinterested, distracted and unmotivated Bryan Singer with a bad script from Kinberg and a studio cash grab. Foxs best films, which are superior to any MCU film, show they can produce excellent drama driven Xfilms. If they had a Kevin Feige figurehead overseeing the direction then the scenario would have played out different. The issue isnt an incompetent studio but a lack of a shared cinematic orchestrater who would have brought consistency in output.
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Post by summers8 on Aug 7, 2018 18:12:48 GMT
All 20 movies have been successful and well liked so its the only type that they need to make. On the other hand the last X-men movie was neither successful nor well liked neither will the next one. 20 movies where most are media darlings to critics who dont judge all comic films equally. The last Xmen movie was disappointing. The only thing MCU have/had over Fox is good oversight and management. Xmen Apocalypse was a product of a disinterested, distracted and unmotivated Bryan Singer with a bad script from Kinberg and a studio cash grab. Foxs best films, which are superior to any MCU film, show they can produce excellent drama driven Xfilms. If they had a Kevin Feige figurehead overseeing the direction then the scenario would have played out different. The issue isnt an incompetent studio but a lack of a shared cinematic orchestrater who would have brought consistency in output. Well said. notice how us xmen fans are just saying the facts and backing it up calmly. Bud is not even answering xmen questions. he is just screaming melt downs. who has melt downs for saying the simple truth .lol.
But then again, if he is thatguy, I wont blame him, thatguy tried to make Titanic and T2 look bad because james cameron said the truth about marvel movies and he had a meltdown about it.LMAO
They should read our post, when we said disney can have xmen. I hope they bring all their socks to this board when mcu xmen turns out worse than batman and robin and we say...told you so.ah, if only they can tell me one mcu movie better than Logan or DOFP. that will be nice.
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Post by charzhino on Aug 7, 2018 18:22:52 GMT
20 movies where most are media darlings to critics who dont judge all comic films equally. The last Xmen movie was disappointing. The only thing MCU have/had over Fox is good oversight and management. Xmen Apocalypse was a product of a disinterested, distracted and unmotivated Bryan Singer with a bad script from Kinberg and a studio cash grab. Foxs best films, which are superior to any MCU film, show they can produce excellent drama driven Xfilms. If they had a Kevin Feige figurehead overseeing the direction then the scenario would have played out different. The issue isnt an incompetent studio but a lack of a shared cinematic orchestrater who would have brought consistency in output. Well said. notice how us xmen fans are just saying the facts and backing it up calmly. Bud is not even answering xmen questions. he is just screaming melt downs. who has melt downs for saying the simple truth .lol.
But then again, if he is thatguy, I wont blame him, thatguy tried to make Titanic and T2 look bad because james cameron said the truth about marvel movies and he had a meltdown about it.LMAO
They should read our post, when we said disney can have xmen. I hope they bring all their socks to this board when mcu xmen turns out worse than batman and robin and we say...told you so.ah, if only they can tell me one mcu movie better than Logan or DOFP. that will be nice. I remember Bud47 from imdb. He was often accused of being a sock of ThatguySon. I dont think he is but you have to be careful.
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Post by summers8 on Aug 7, 2018 18:48:34 GMT
Well said. notice how us xmen fans are just saying the facts and backing it up calmly. Bud is not even answering xmen questions. he is just screaming melt downs. who has melt downs for saying the simple truth .lol.
But then again, if he is thatguy, I wont blame him, thatguy tried to make Titanic and T2 look bad because james cameron said the truth about marvel movies and he had a meltdown about it.LMAO
They should read our post, when we said disney can have xmen. I hope they bring all their socks to this board when mcu xmen turns out worse than batman and robin and we say...told you so.ah, if only they can tell me one mcu movie better than Logan or DOFP. that will be nice. I remember Bud47 from imdb. He was often accused of being a sock of ThatguySon. I dont think he is but you have to be careful. why use socks? its kind of a coward thing to do. In a way I understood formershamd using socks, he was banned. LOL. if you like a series be you and be confident. using socks means you know your liked films sucks.
To me it just shows mcu is so bad, their fans need to be multiple people. which reminds me, can disney still make that multiple man movie in the drama veins of logan. I read the comics about James Maddox, he is a complex character even to the point that his multiples began to have a mind of their own which could make for one complicated story and great comic film that could redefine the genre.How will that work with MCU fun cgi driven disney formula comedies that contradicts xmen comics? I think DC's Joker film with Jac Phoenix will get there. Its almost like Split or even FX Legion.
that is us real xmen fan talking about xmen stories and how we want them to be adapted, . if bud can't do the same he is another mcu fan pretending to be an xmen fan because mcu is so bad their fans cant even say they are fans and they try to force xmen to join their MCU disney garbage. well, its not real xmen. that makes me glad. we had real xmen like we had real star wars. When mcu comedy gotg-xmen crashes and burn, I will be here laughing and then watch my real xmen like X2 or Logan. I did rewatch episode 2 after last jedi.
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Post by bud47 on Aug 7, 2018 20:01:12 GMT
I remember Bud47 from imdb. He was often accused of being a sock of ThatguySon. I dont think he is but you have to be careful. why use socks? its kind of a coward thing to do. In a way I understood formershamd using socks, he was banned. LOL. if you like a series be you and be confident. using socks means you know your liked films sucks.
To me it just shows mcu is so bad, their fans need to be multiple people. which reminds me, can disney still make that multiple man movie in the drama veins of logan. I read the comics about James Maddox, he is a complex character even to the point that his multiples began to have a mind of their own which could make for one complicated story and great comic film that could redefine the genre.How will that work with MCU fun cgi driven disney formula comedies that contradicts xmen comics? I think DC's Joker film with Jac Phoenix will get there. Its almost like Split or even FX Legion.
that is us real xmen fan talking about xmen stories and how we want them to be adapted, . if bud can't do the same he is another mcu fan pretending to be an xmen fan because mcu is so bad their fans cant even say they are fans and they try to force xmen to join their MCU disney garbage. well, its not real xmen. that makes me glad. we had real xmen like we had real star wars. When mcu comedy gotg-xmen crashes and burn, I will be here laughing and then watch my real xmen like X2 or Logan. I did rewatch episode 2 after last jedi.
I remember the sock accusations on the old boards. It's why I stayed silent for so long here. But I figured I would rip off the band-aid. Apparently, having a similar opinion is all it takes. You guys throw them around like candy. You're a sock! You're a sock! I guess everyone here that doesn't agree with you is a sock account. It's really immature. If you can't be deal with the opinions of others and accusing people of being socks is you're way of dealing with it, then just have at it. I don't care anymore. Here's a suggestion. Why don't you just watch the old films and enjoy those, while the rest of us enjoy what we want to? And if the MCU ends up screwing up with the X-Men (give them a chance first), then you can come back here and tell us you told us so. Or just continue ranting, raving and trolling like you always do if it helps fill up your day and gives your life meaning.
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Post by summers8 on Aug 7, 2018 20:28:56 GMT
why use socks? its kind of a coward thing to do. In a way I understood formershamd using socks, he was banned. LOL. if you like a series be you and be confident. using socks means you know your liked films sucks.
To me it just shows mcu is so bad, their fans need to be multiple people. which reminds me, can disney still make that multiple man movie in the drama veins of logan. I read the comics about James Maddox, he is a complex character even to the point that his multiples began to have a mind of their own which could make for one complicated story and great comic film that could redefine the genre.How will that work with MCU fun cgi driven disney formula comedies that contradicts xmen comics? I think DC's Joker film with Jac Phoenix will get there. Its almost like Split or even FX Legion.
that is us real xmen fan talking about xmen stories and how we want them to be adapted, . if bud can't do the same he is another mcu fan pretending to be an xmen fan because mcu is so bad their fans cant even say they are fans and they try to force xmen to join their MCU disney garbage. well, its not real xmen. that makes me glad. we had real xmen like we had real star wars. When mcu comedy gotg-xmen crashes and burn, I will be here laughing and then watch my real xmen like X2 or Logan. I did rewatch episode 2 after last jedi.
I remember the sock accusations on the old boards. It's why I stayed silent for so long here. But I figured I would rip off the band-aid. Apparently, having a similar opinion is all it takes. You guys throw them around like candy. You're a sock! You're a sock! I guess everyone here that doesn't agree with you is a sock account. It's really immature. If you can't be deal with the opinions of others and accusing people of being socks is you're way of dealing with it, then just have at it. I don't care anymore. Here's a suggestion. Why don't you just watch the old films and enjoy those, while the rest of us enjoy what we want to? And if the MCU ends up screwing up with the X-Men (give them a chance first), then you can come back here and tell us you told us so. Or just continue ranting, raving and trolling like you always do if it helps fill up your day and gives your life meaning. We already know you are a sock of thatguy. just let it go. you were busted by taking a trick of formershamd's book. Let's movie on to real topics. as ''X-Men FANS''. So how would Disney adapt xmen stories again? simple questions. Lets look at THE BEST movies. X2 = God Love Man Kills
DOFP - DOFP
Logan = Old Man Logan and the death of wolverine.
the 3 best xmen movies, marvel's answer to TDK movies. all adapted that fits the tone, style and depth of the comics. something MCU fails at. Messiah complex ? Would MCU Disney pretend it is like Thor Jokenork? Its sad you keep making it about us and talking about our lives, you don't know us. make it about xmen mythos. we are here for xmen not for our personal lives. don't be a coward by changing the topic. So again, Messiah Complex one of the modern xmen classics..how will the disney cgi comedy no-story formula work for that story?
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Post by bud47 on Aug 7, 2018 20:54:49 GMT
I remember the sock accusations on the old boards. It's why I stayed silent for so long here. But I figured I would rip off the band-aid. Apparently, having a similar opinion is all it takes. You guys throw them around like candy. You're a sock! You're a sock! I guess everyone here that doesn't agree with you is a sock account. It's really immature. If you can't be deal with the opinions of others and accusing people of being socks is you're way of dealing with it, then just have at it. I don't care anymore. Here's a suggestion. Why don't you just watch the old films and enjoy those, while the rest of us enjoy what we want to? And if the MCU ends up screwing up with the X-Men (give them a chance first), then you can come back here and tell us you told us so. Or just continue ranting, raving and trolling like you always do if it helps fill up your day and gives your life meaning. We already know you are a sock of thatguy. just let it go. you were busted by taking a trick of formershamd's book. Let's movie on to real topics. as ''X-Men FANS''. So how would Disney adapt xmen stories again? simple questions. Lets look at THE BEST movies. X2 = God Love Man Kills
DOFP - DOFP
Logan = Old Man Logan and the death of wolverine.
the 3 best xmen movies, marvel's answer to TDK movies. all adapted that fits the tone, style and depth of the comics. something MCU fails at. Messiah complex ? Would MCU Disney pretend it is like Thor Jokenork? Its sad you keep making it about us and talking about our lives, you don't know us. make it about xmen mythos. we are here for xmen not for our personal lives. don't be a coward by changing the topic. So again, Messiah Complex one of the modern xmen classics..how will the disney cgi comedy no-story formula work for that story?
Whatever you say question7. I feel like I'm on the old boards again. It's amazing. I stopped reading comic books in the late 90s, so I'm not familiar with all of these. But why didn't Fox adapt Messiah Complex? Why didn't they adapt Inferno? They've had almost 20 years! What was stopping them? Why are they doing Dark Phoenix again? Why weren't any of those so-called best X-Men films nominated for best picture? They should have been if they're at the same level as the Dark Knight. How about we just wait and see what MCU does with the X-Men. For the record, I actually thought Logan was the best comic book movie of 2017. I enjoyed Spider-Man Homecoming and GOTG 2, Thor Ragnarok and Wonder Woman, but Logan was the best for me. It just connected with me the most. I know that's hard for you to comprehend. Liking an X-Men film, DCEU film and MCU all at once! Oh the horror!
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Post by summers8 on Aug 7, 2018 21:13:00 GMT
We already know you are a sock of thatguy. just let it go. you were busted by taking a trick of formershamd's book. Let's movie on to real topics. as ''X-Men FANS''. So how would Disney adapt xmen stories again? simple questions. Lets look at THE BEST movies. X2 = God Love Man Kills
DOFP - DOFP
Logan = Old Man Logan and the death of wolverine.
the 3 best xmen movies, marvel's answer to TDK movies. all adapted that fits the tone, style and depth of the comics. something MCU fails at. Messiah complex ? Would MCU Disney pretend it is like Thor Jokenork? Its sad you keep making it about us and talking about our lives, you don't know us. make it about xmen mythos. we are here for xmen not for our personal lives. don't be a coward by changing the topic. So again, Messiah Complex one of the modern xmen classics..how will the disney cgi comedy no-story formula work for that story?
Whatever you say question7. I feel like I'm on the old boards again. It's amazing. I stopped reading comic books in the late 90s, so I'm not familiar with all of these. But why didn't Fox adapt Messiah Complex? Why didn't they adapt Inferno? They've had almost 20 years! What was stopping them? Why are they doing Dark Phoenix again? Why weren't any of those so-called best X-Men films nominated for best picture? They should have been if they're at the same level as the Dark Knight. How about we just wait and see what MCU does with the X-Men. For the record, I actually thought Logan was the best comic book movie of 2017. I enjoyed Spider-Man Homecoming and GOTG 2, Thor Ragnarok and Wonder Woman, but Logan was the best for me. It just connected with me the most. I know that's hard for you to comprehend. Liking an X-Men film, DCEU film and MCU all at once! Oh the horror! I don’t do socks as I am a confident person. I know what sucks and what does not, so I don’t need to make multiple accounts to defend my opinions. I am not question. No one has called me that but you and thatguy. You stopped reading xmen in the late 90s, interesting, what of the 90s that had many of the grittier driven complex comics. If I remember correctly, XMEN TAS adapted many of them and xmen tas has proven to be more adult themed and seriously taken than MCU movies.
We should wait and see what MCU does? After 20 comedy generic movies and mcu star wars, I think we know what they do. Also add to the fact mcu folks said all their movies are light hearted and funny. That is what they do. xmen is not like that and it is fact. Interesting, why did you enjoy Spider-Man Homecoming, Thor 3 and GOTG 2, that was nothing like the comics and more like Disney original movies clearly for little children.
You talk of horror, explain how an xmen fan can like mcu movies and not DOFP or X2. it is not possible, if it was you would back it up with the xmen mythos and you can't.
So You hate DOFP because it made Winter Solider look bad in 2014?
You hate first class because it made thor 1 and first avenger look bad in 2011?
Comic fans, film makers, grown ups, xmen fans gave their verdict. mcu is outclassed. Not my problem.
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Post by kratos on Aug 7, 2018 21:49:40 GMT
1. MCU ruined spiderman. Sam Raimi movies are superior..period. Incorrect TASM2 flopped, it was yet another Spider-man movie in a row to make less than the one before. Nobody likes the movie. That's why they ran to the MCU to save the series which they thankfully did. People care for X-men they just no longer care about the movies hence why the last one flopped. Because the X-men movies don't have a ton of CGI as well.... They don't need X-men, even movies like Ant-man make more money than X-men movies now....Ant-man. It's the fans that's want it. People don't like or care for X-men movies and so they want X-men in the MCU.
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Post by PreachCaleb on Aug 7, 2018 22:08:43 GMT
I literally forgot it came out this year. That's more on you. Fish is good memory food.
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Post by Skaathar on Aug 8, 2018 16:34:14 GMT
And that's why I avoided posting for so long. Knew this would get thrown at me right out of the gate. Nice to see the old posters here, lame and desperate as ever. Hey Charzino, I thought you said you liked Infinity War. Why so blue over the MCU getting a chance at doing something new with the X-Men? It can't be any worse than Apocalypse. Me liking Infinity War doesnt mean Disney can do Xmen properly. Disney wouldnt do a Age of Apocalypse storyline any justice outside of visuals. They lack the conviction and storytelling. Infinity War is a good movie because they finally gave some proper motivation and backstory to a villain at the very least. But they didnt go full thrust and make it as dark and violent as the comic did. They dont have the guts to show beheadings and gruesome deaths which are permanent. They didnt have the guts to put in Lady Death to showcase Thanos' psychosis. Age of Apocalypse is 5 times more dark and unsettling as Infinty Saga and theres no way Disney would honour it. Except Fox couldn't do Age of Apocalypse properly either. Neither could they do the Phoenix Saga properly. DOFP was well done (even if it didn't exactly follow the comic storyline) but it wasn't any darker than IW or CW. Personally, I don't trust Disney doing proper X-men movies, but I do trust the MCU. Hopefully Disney assigns the X-men property under MCU.
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Post by charzhino on Aug 8, 2018 18:15:10 GMT
Except Fox couldn't do Age of Apocalypse properly either. Neither could they do the Phoenix Saga properly. DOFP was well done (even if it didn't exactly follow the comic storyline) but it wasn't any darker than IW or CW. Personally, I don't trust Disney doing proper X-men movies, but I do trust the MCU. Hopefully Disney assigns the X-men property under MCU. MCU didnt do CW properly. No one died. And DOFP is more darker than that. Fox hasnt done the Phoenix saga properly youre right. Moreso of employing the wrong director/screenwriter rather than failing with a complete un-rushed product. Fox is different from Disney in that they allow more freedom to be given to their project leaders. Theres no overarching tone or target audience their films need to adhere to. The downside to that is you get films like Origins and X3. The upside is you get Logan, DOFP and Deadpool. An Age of Apocalypse story needs despair, grief, resolution, doom, shocking moments, hope, resistance, emotion driven story telling. All attributes that have been better handled by Fox rather than Disney.
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Post by bud47 on Aug 8, 2018 20:06:25 GMT
Except Fox couldn't do Age of Apocalypse properly either. Neither could they do the Phoenix Saga properly. DOFP was well done (even if it didn't exactly follow the comic storyline) but it wasn't any darker than IW or CW. Personally, I don't trust Disney doing proper X-men movies, but I do trust the MCU. Hopefully Disney assigns the X-men property under MCU. MCU didnt do CW properly. No one died. And DOFP is more darker than that. Fox hasnt done the Phoenix saga properly youre right. Moreso of employing the wrong director/screenwriter rather than failing with a complete un-rushed product. Fox is different from Disney in that they allow more freedom to be given to their project leaders. Theres no overarching tone or target audience their films need to adhere to. The downside to that is you get films like Origins and X3. The upside is you get Logan, DOFP and Deadpool. An Age of Apocalypse story needs despair, grief, resolution, doom, shocking moments, hope, resistance, emotion driven story telling. All attributes that have been better handled by Fox rather than Disney. I really enjoy the Deadpool films, but let's be honest. That was a happy accident for Fox. They had no intent on making that film or nor did they have any expectations that it would be successful. They sat on it until Reynolds leaked the test footage and realized that fans really wanted to see it get made and that it could be potential hit. They then slapped it with a low budget to minimize risk. The same thing was happening with Gambit, which is why it never saw the light of day. Tatum would've had to leak footage like Reynolds did to get things moving. Fox had their chance with Apocalypse and they blew it. If they hadn't sold to Disney, they may have tried again. But should we really have to depend on a studio that requires two or more tries to get things right with these characters? They screwed up with Deadpool and got it right on the second try. They screwed up with Dark Phoenix and are giving it another try and things don't look good. At the rate they were going, the X-Men would have dwindled into mediocrity and obscurity for years to come. Logan was a really good film and it was my favorite comic book film of 2017...as long as I dismiss certain things and don't think too hard when it comes to trying to figure out the continuity. But again, it was Jackman's last film in the franchise and the last we were going to see of that iteration of the character. With Deadpool as their new tentpole character going forward, they figured they would go all out and let the filmmakers and Jackman do what they want with Logan (R rating, language, violence, etc.), since they didn't really have to worry about any blowback. If Deadpool hadn't been a success and Jackman had decided to continue on, I'm sure they would have made different choices.
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Post by Skaathar on Aug 8, 2018 20:25:02 GMT
Except Fox couldn't do Age of Apocalypse properly either. Neither could they do the Phoenix Saga properly. DOFP was well done (even if it didn't exactly follow the comic storyline) but it wasn't any darker than IW or CW. Personally, I don't trust Disney doing proper X-men movies, but I do trust the MCU. Hopefully Disney assigns the X-men property under MCU. MCU didnt do CW properly. No one died. And DOFP is more darker than that. Fox hasnt done the Phoenix saga properly youre right. Moreso of employing the wrong director/screenwriter rather than failing with a complete un-rushed product. Fox is different from Disney in that they allow more freedom to be given to their project leaders. Theres no overarching tone or target audience their films need to adhere to. The downside to that is you get films like Origins and X3. The upside is you get Logan, DOFP and Deadpool. An Age of Apocalypse story needs despair, grief, resolution, doom, shocking moments, hope, resistance, emotion driven story telling. All attributes that have been better handled by Fox rather than Disney. I don't recall DOFP (the movie) having anything in it that made it darker than CW and especially not IW. And yes, the CW movie is definitely a lite version of CW comic... but then so was DOFP. And whatever else CW was, it was still head and shoulders better than Fox's X-men Apocalypse and X3 (Fox's attempt at the Dark Phoenix storyline). Deadpool was never Fox's idea, that was Reynolds. If it wasn't for him and his tenaciousness that movie would never have been made. Logan was great but I'd rather not have to wade through a bunch of failed movies before we get another movie that great again. Half of the Fox X-men movies are pretty bad. At least every MCU movie is at worst decent.
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Post by lenlenlen1 on Aug 8, 2018 20:31:28 GMT
Black Panther Already A Forgotten MCU Film...
...that just passed 700 million domestic. That's the kind'a forgotten I'd like to be!
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Post by summers8 on Aug 8, 2018 21:12:12 GMT
MCU didnt do CW properly. No one died. And DOFP is more darker than that. Fox hasnt done the Phoenix saga properly youre right. Moreso of employing the wrong director/screenwriter rather than failing with a complete un-rushed product. Fox is different from Disney in that they allow more freedom to be given to their project leaders. Theres no overarching tone or target audience their films need to adhere to. The downside to that is you get films like Origins and X3. The upside is you get Logan, DOFP and Deadpool. An Age of Apocalypse story needs despair, grief, resolution, doom, shocking moments, hope, resistance, emotion driven story telling. All attributes that have been better handled by Fox rather than Disney. I don't recall DOFP (the movie) having anything in it that made it darker than CW and especially not IW. And yes, the CW movie is definitely a lite version of CW comic... but then so was DOFP. And whatever else CW was, it was still head and shoulders better than Fox's X-men Apocalypse and X3 (Fox's attempt at the Dark Phoenix storyline). Deadpool was never Fox's idea, that was Reynolds. If it wasn't for him and his tenaciousness that movie would never have been made. Logan was great but I'd rather not have to wade through a bunch of failed movies before we get another movie that great again. Half of the Fox X-men movies are pretty bad. At least every MCU movie is at worst decent. One thing. technicality is key. this is darker than anything in IW and CW and this is just one.
it gets worse
Put blood here and it is a straight R Rating.
civil war's poor and light cinematography especially during the battle scenes reject the notion it is a dark movie and the air port scenes where the characters are making joke does not help either. in DOFP, mutants were crying and panicking not joking around like civil war. civil war also looks like a toy commercial. proof is here
Also it is about the plot and content of the movie. DOFP was a compelling dystopian drama with messed up leading complicated characters in dark places in their lives, ie Xavier dealing with substance abuse and depression, that was banned in iron man 3 because Disney MCU felt it was too heavy, mystique going off the rail. CW was a derivate movie with little substance, the plot is loose and does not go deep or gets complicated.
The ending of DOFP played out like TDK as these are drama movies. the ending of CW was your mcu typical fist fight.Dont compare DOFP to CW, Winter Solider could not even match DOFP.
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Post by summers8 on Aug 8, 2018 21:13:49 GMT
Also again in 2014, MCU indirectly said, they could not make DOFP. I think singer got a feedback from marvel that the movie was way too serious.
ENUFF SAID.
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Post by summers8 on Aug 8, 2018 21:17:56 GMT
MCU didnt do CW properly. No one died. And DOFP is more darker than that. Fox hasnt done the Phoenix saga properly youre right. Moreso of employing the wrong director/screenwriter rather than failing with a complete un-rushed product. Fox is different from Disney in that they allow more freedom to be given to their project leaders. Theres no overarching tone or target audience their films need to adhere to. The downside to that is you get films like Origins and X3. The upside is you get Logan, DOFP and Deadpool. An Age of Apocalypse story needs despair, grief, resolution, doom, shocking moments, hope, resistance, emotion driven story telling. All attributes that have been better handled by Fox rather than Disney. I really enjoy the Deadpool films, but let's be honest. That was a happy accident for Fox. They had no intent on making that film or nor did they have any expectations that it would be successful. They sat on it until Reynolds leaked the test footage and realized that fans really wanted to see it get made and that it could be potential hit. They then slapped it with a low budget to minimize risk. The same thing was happening with Gambit, which is why it never saw the light of day. Tatum would've had to leak footage like Reynolds did to get things moving. Fox had their chance with Apocalypse and they blew it. If they hadn't sold to Disney, they may have tried again. But should we really have to depend on a studio that requires two or more tries to get things right with these characters? They screwed up with Deadpool and got it right on the second try. They screwed up with Dark Phoenix and are giving it another try and things don't look good. At the rate they were going, the X-Men would have dwindled into mediocrity and obscurity for years to come. Logan was a really good film and it was my favorite comic book film of 2017...as long as I dismiss certain things and don't think too hard when it comes to trying to figure out the continuity. But again, it was Jackman's last film in the franchise and the last we were going to see of that iteration of the character. With Deadpool as their new tentpole character going forward, they figured they would go all out and let the filmmakers and Jackman do what they want with Logan (R rating, language, violence, etc.), since they didn't really have to worry about any blowback. If Deadpool hadn't been a success and Jackman had decided to continue on, I'm sure they would have made different choices.
this is actual almost interesting, so how did
first class turn out so much better than Thor 1 and CA 1
DOFP much better than TWS and GOTG.
How do you explain the MCU movies turning out worse, to the point comic films no longer have credibility.
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Post by Primemovermithrax Pejorative on Aug 8, 2018 21:24:55 GMT
I didnt like First Class-I would put it about equal with Thor 1 and CA 1 for sticking in memory. As in, not much.
DOFP however, was more memorable than TWS and GOTG.
But I think its a little bit of apples and oranges. DOFP is a time travel movie in essence. TWS is a political thriller with some superhero physics, and GOTG is a space adventure.
However, I am sure that if Disney made DOFP it would be as forgettable as their other films.
Anyway, Black Panther won;t be forgotten when it wins MOST POPULAR MOVIE EVAH at next years Oscars.
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Post by summers8 on Aug 8, 2018 21:53:25 GMT
I didnt like First Class-I would put it about equal with Thor 1 and CA 1 for sticking in memory. As in, not much. DOFP however, was more memorable than TWS and GOTG. But I think its a little bit of apples and oranges. DOFP is a time travel movie in essence. TWS is a political thriller with some superhero physics, and GOTG is a space adventure. However, I am sure that if Disney made DOFP it would be as forgettable as their other films. Anyway, Black Panther won;t be forgotten when it wins MOST POPULAR MOVIE EVAH at next years Oscars. First Class is a superior political movie to winter solider. it is simple with xmen and mcu movies. mcu movies are a derivate of some politics. xmen movies are an in-depth evaluation of politics.
in mcu the politics is referenced every now and then but shallow. black panther is a good example. with xmen, the politics are the story and the plot. this is a classic of how first class does politics that merits intellect not found in winter solider
Even throw away scenes like this where Xavier and Eric sits on the steps of the Lincoln memorial discussing racism and prejudice gives the movie depth not found in MCU movies. I cant believe black panther tried to copy this.LOL
civil war is first and foremost an action movie. xmen movies are drama first. by the second half of civil war, the politics of registration that was never fully addressed is quickly discarded for a generic revenge story line of more fist fights. in XMEN movies, you see the politics of persecution all through the end to the point it gets out of hand and usually it is still a clash of xavier and magneto's intellect or just a confirmation of how complicated the world of xmen is. with mcu it is about fun.
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