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Post by Skaathar on Aug 8, 2018 21:59:34 GMT
I don't recall DOFP (the movie) having anything in it that made it darker than CW and especially not IW. And yes, the CW movie is definitely a lite version of CW comic... but then so was DOFP. And whatever else CW was, it was still head and shoulders better than Fox's X-men Apocalypse and X3 (Fox's attempt at the Dark Phoenix storyline). Deadpool was never Fox's idea, that was Reynolds. If it wasn't for him and his tenaciousness that movie would never have been made. Logan was great but I'd rather not have to wade through a bunch of failed movies before we get another movie that great again. Half of the Fox X-men movies are pretty bad. At least every MCU movie is at worst decent. One thing. technicality is key. this is darker than anything in IW and CW and this is just one.
it gets worse
Put blood here and it is a straight R Rating.
civil war's poor and light cinematography especially during the battle scenes reject the notion it is a dark movie and the air port scenes where the characters are making joke does not help either. in DOFP, mutants were crying and panicking not joking around like civil war. civil war also looks like a toy commercial. proof is here
Also it is about the plot and content of the movie. DOFP was a compelling dystopian drama with messed up leading complicated characters in dark places in their lives, ie Xavier dealing with substance abuse and depression, that was banned in iron man 3 because Disney MCU felt it was too heavy, mystique going off the rail. CW was a derivate movie with little substance, the plot is loose and does not go deep or gets complicated.
The ending of DOFP played out like TDK as these are drama movies. the ending of CW was your mcu typical fist fight.Dont compare DOFP to CW, Winter Solider could not even match DOFP.
lol. Typical MCU fist fight? The final fight in CW was far better than any action scene in any X-men movie so far. And you somehow think that some killer-robots, substance abuse and hystericals make DOFP darker than CW which has torture, mind-control, and a whole segment on finding out your friend's best friend murdered your parents in cold blood? I mean, I'm not saying that CW is darker, but it seems to me you're cherry-picking scenes here just to make it seem like DOFP is darker. You specifically chose lighter moments in CW (picking the times when heroes were joking with each other) and compared it with DOFP's darkest moments just to make it seem like DOFP is darker. Fact is, other than the lighting, DOFP doesn't tackle anything darker than CW. They tackle different issues, all just as mature/dark as the next depending on the situation. As for CW not matching up to DOFP, well, CW actually beats DOFP in a number of known metrics and isn't that far behind in the rest.
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Post by ThatGuy on Aug 8, 2018 22:10:25 GMT
One thing. technicality is key. this is darker than anything in IW and CW and this is just one.
it gets worse
Put blood here and it is a straight R Rating.
civil war's poor and light cinematography especially during the battle scenes reject the notion it is a dark movie and the air port scenes where the characters are making joke does not help either. in DOFP, mutants were crying and panicking not joking around like civil war. civil war also looks like a toy commercial. proof is here
Also it is about the plot and content of the movie. DOFP was a compelling dystopian drama with messed up leading complicated characters in dark places in their lives, ie Xavier dealing with substance abuse and depression, that was banned in iron man 3 because Disney MCU felt it was too heavy, mystique going off the rail. CW was a derivate movie with little substance, the plot is loose and does not go deep or gets complicated.
The ending of DOFP played out like TDK as these are drama movies. the ending of CW was your mcu typical fist fight.Dont compare DOFP to CW, Winter Solider could not even match DOFP.
lol. Typical MCU fist fight? The final fight in CW was far better than any action scene in any X-men movie so far. And you somehow think that some killer-robots, substance abuse and hystericals make DOFP darker than CW which has torture, mind-control, and a whole segment on finding out your friend's best friend murdered your parents in cold blood? I mean, I'm not saying that CW is darker, but it seems to me you're cherry-picking scenes here just to make it seem like DOFP is darker. You specifically chose lighter moments in CW (picking the times when heroes were joking with each other) and compared it with DOFP's darkest moments just to make it seem like DOFP is darker. Fact is, other than the lighting, DOFP doesn't tackle anything darker than CW. They tackle different issues, all just as mature/dark as the next depending on the situation. As for CW not matching up to DOFP, well, CW actually beats DOFP in a number of known metrics and isn't that far behind in the rest. I've made this same argument before. The X-men movies have plenty of light hearted jokey moments. The only difference is that the X-men movies do it with lower lighting and black suits.
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Post by Primemovermithrax Pejorative on Aug 8, 2018 22:20:56 GMT
civil war is first and foremost an action movie. xmen movies are drama first.
Yes, but that is why i dont consider them the same genre--not even really a superhero movie. The X-men dont even wear costumes.
I dont think a political thriller with superheroes (as TWS does) is the best use of the medium.
X-men does what they do better, but I do not consider it a superhero type of story despite the Marvel comics connection.
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Post by PreachCaleb on Aug 8, 2018 22:23:02 GMT
civil war is first and foremost an action movie. xmen movies are drama first.
Yes, but that is why i dont consider them the same genre--not even really a superhero movie. The X-men dont even wear costumes.
I dont think a political thriller with superheroes (as TWS does) is the best use of the medium.
X-men does what they do better, but I do not consider it a superhero type of story despite the Marvel comics connection.
Bright yellow leather isn't a costume?
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Post by summers8 on Aug 8, 2018 22:24:37 GMT
what a joke. lol civil war. batman vs superman handled the themes better than civil war. proof is here.
civil war is too derivate. MCU can't go deep. leave that to xmen and nolan. Typical fight in civil war. Action pose, lack of realism, no convincing grit, over reharsed and over choreographed.
These fights are better than anything in mcu/CW because they are more convincing and look real. Grounded movies own Disney mcu as always.
X1
TDKR
hail grounded films.
It is not about killer robots, it is about what they represented. Racism, hate, power, prejudice, humanity’s failure, mutants worst nightmare. Lol..typical for mcu fans when their own movies are shown to be inferior they try and rewrite other movies,Geez civil war had torture and mind control ..really? I forgot. Since in DOFP not only did I see kids match to death nazi style camps to die but I saw dead bodies piled up on the floor..dumped on the floor like hot cake.
Civil war poorly took on different issues as already explained. DOFP handled the issues that was more compelling. That scene alone where raven is exposed as mutant as she tries to scape as a black afro girl kills any scene from civil war. Reason there was no need for much action in DOFP. unike civil war, there was drama going on
If you want to know how mediocre civil war is, it could not even beat deapdool in 2016, deadpool was the comic film of 2016, civil war was quickly disposed. TWS did not even beat DOFP. CW cant even beat first class. Read my last post to see why.
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Post by summers8 on Aug 8, 2018 22:28:15 GMT
am sorry I have to laugh hard when I see X1 and TDKR then civil war that looks like a cartoon
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Post by summers8 on Aug 8, 2018 22:37:20 GMT
civil war is first and foremost an action movie. xmen movies are drama first.
Yes, but that is why i dont consider them the same genre--not even really a superhero movie. The X-men dont even wear costumes.
I dont think a political thriller with superheroes (as TWS does) is the best use of the medium.
X-men does what they do better, but I do not consider it a superhero type of story despite the Marvel comics connection.
TRUE. xmen is just more serious, drama driven, deep and real. like the comics. it is not fun cgi action comedy like mcu movies. Also that is the reason long time comic fans , adult audiences and film makers respects xmen and see mcu as a dumb joke. More importantly, why we xmen fans dont want xmen to connect to the mcu. xmen in the mcu hurts xmen.
Speaking of black panther, for such a race baited movie. dont you find it bad that two white men (xavier and magneto) gave a better representation and story telling of racism than the two black man in black panther (killmonger and T'Chalia) who just acted out thor and loki from thor 1?
and that is what is cool about fiction. the story and characterization is what makes good fiction, not the colour of the characters skin.
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Post by Primemovermithrax Pejorative on Aug 8, 2018 22:41:18 GMT
Bright yellow leather isn't a costume? The X-men movie characters never wore the masks and costumes in the comics. Where's Wolverine's mask?
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Post by PreachCaleb on Aug 8, 2018 22:43:23 GMT
Bright yellow leather isn't a costume? The X-men movie characters never wore the masks and costumes in the comics. Where's Wolverine's mask?
Again, bright yellow leather with an X isn't a costume? Is that just every day attire then?
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Post by Primemovermithrax Pejorative on Aug 8, 2018 22:53:24 GMT
Again, bright yellow leather with an X isn't a costume? Is that just every day attire then? Not unless it replicates the traditional superhero costume.
To me, a true superhero movie is one where the character either wears a ridiculously colorful bodysuit and cape, and/or a mask. Something that may pass for a utility costume or uniform doesn't count.
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Post by Surly on Aug 8, 2018 22:53:58 GMT
One thing. technicality is key. this is darker than anything in IW and CW and this is just one.
it gets worse
Put blood here and it is a straight R Rating.
civil war's poor and light cinematography especially during the battle scenes reject the notion it is a dark movie and the air port scenes where the characters are making joke does not help either. in DOFP, mutants were crying and panicking not joking around like civil war. civil war also looks like a toy commercial. proof is here
Also it is about the plot and content of the movie. DOFP was a compelling dystopian drama with messed up leading complicated characters in dark places in their lives, ie Xavier dealing with substance abuse and depression, that was banned in iron man 3 because Disney MCU felt it was too heavy, mystique going off the rail. CW was a derivate movie with little substance, the plot is loose and does not go deep or gets complicated.
The ending of DOFP played out like TDK as these are drama movies. the ending of CW was your mcu typical fist fight.Dont compare DOFP to CW, Winter Solider could not even match DOFP.
lol. Typical MCU fist fight? The final fight in CW was far better than any action scene in any X-men movie so far. And you somehow think that some killer-robots, substance abuse and hystericals make DOFP darker than CW which has torture, mind-control, and a whole segment on finding out your friend's best friend murdered your parents in cold blood? I mean, I'm not saying that CW is darker, but it seems to me you're cherry-picking scenes here just to make it seem like DOFP is darker. You specifically chose lighter moments in CW (picking the times when heroes were joking with each other) and compared it with DOFP's darkest moments just to make it seem like DOFP is darker. Fact is, other than the lighting, DOFP doesn't tackle anything darker than CW. They tackle different issues, all just as mature/dark as the next depending on the situation. As for CW not matching up to DOFP, well, CW actually beats DOFP in a number of known metrics and isn't that far behind in the rest. That guy is wound a little tight when it comes to the X-Men. He's the same one that claimed X:DOFP destroyed CA:WS at the box office even though the numbers are almost identical. Gotta take his arguments with a grain of salt. Not as ridiculous as DC Fan though.
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Post by PreachCaleb on Aug 8, 2018 22:59:23 GMT
Again, bright yellow leather with an X isn't a costume? Is that just every day attire then? Not unless it replicates the traditional superhero costume.
To me, a true superhero movie is one where the character either wears a ridiculously colorful bodysuit and cape, and/or a mask. Something that may pass for a utility costume or uniform doesn't count. Bright yellow leather with emblazened X's doesn't count? Banshee's wings don't count? Magneto's bright red outfit and helmet and cape don't count? Storm's cape doesn't count?
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Post by Skaathar on Aug 8, 2018 23:02:32 GMT
what a joke. lol civil war. batman vs superman handled the themes better than civil war. proof is here. civil war is too derivate. MCU can't go deep. leave that to xmen and nolan. Typical fight in civil war. Action pose, lack of realism, no convincing grit, over reharsed and over choreographed. These fights are better than anything in mcu/CW because they are more convincing and look real. Grounded movies own Disney mcu as always.
X1 TDKR hail grounded films.It is not about killer robots, it is about what they represented. Racism, hate, power, prejudice, humanity’s failure, mutants worst nightmare. Lol..typical for mcu fans when their own movies are shown to be inferior they try and rewrite other movies,Geez civil war had torture and mind control ..really? I forgot. Since in DOFP not only did I see kids match to death nazi style camps to die but I saw dead bodies piled up on the floor..dumped on the floor like hot cake. Civil war poorly took on different issues as already explained. DOFP handled the issues that was more compelling. That scene alone where raven is exposed as mutant as she tries to scape as a black afro girl kills any scene from civil war. Reason there was no need for much action in DOFP. unike civil war, there was drama going on If you want to know how mediocre civil war is, it could not even beat deapdool in 2016, deadpool was the comic film of 2016, civil war was quickly disposed. TWS did not even beat DOFP. CW cant even beat first class. Read my last post to see why. Hold up. Are you literally saying the fight choreography in TDKR is better than CW?
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Post by Primemovermithrax Pejorative on Aug 8, 2018 23:07:11 GMT
Bright yellow leather with emblazened X's doesn't count? Banshee's wings don't count? Magneto's bright red outfit and helmet and cape don't count? Storm's cape doesn't count? Hardly wore the helmet--costume not bright enough, black costume is too far from the superhero color palette
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Post by kanekikun on Aug 9, 2018 11:39:48 GMT
When Logan came out, I kept forgetting that it came out that year. It felt like it came out the previous year. So maybe it's timing? But of course I didn't feel that way with Deadpool. Hmm. Why would an xmen fan remember black panther and thor 3 and not logan?a movie that was called the greatest comic film ever and groundbreaking for the genre. how does that work according to the xmen myth. LOL.
You kept on forgetting like most mcu fans because logan was disgracing all the mcu comedy movies of 2017 like thor 3 and gotg 2 and homecoming.
however, nobody forgets a movie that when people said was better than TDK, none argued and went all the way to oscars as everyone as predicted for artistic merit. naturally it is hard to forget something like that, especially for comic book movies that was getting so much backlash
Black panther was better than logan, and Guardians of the galaxy was better than days of futures past. And winter solider was better than First class, First class was predictable and boring.
there I said it.
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Post by summers8 on Aug 9, 2018 12:16:16 GMT
Why would an xmen fan remember black panther and thor 3 and not logan?a movie that was called the greatest comic film ever and groundbreaking for the genre. how does that work according to the xmen myth. LOL.
You kept on forgetting like most mcu fans because logan was disgracing all the mcu comedy movies of 2017 like thor 3 and gotg 2 and homecoming.
however, nobody forgets a movie that when people said was better than TDK, none argued and went all the way to oscars as everyone as predicted for artistic merit. naturally it is hard to forget something like that, especially for comic book movies that was getting so much backlash
Black panther was better than logan, and Guardians of the galaxy was better than days of futures past. And winter solider was better than First class, First class was predictable and boring.
there I said it.
so thatguy created a new account to tell us black panther is better than Logan? black panther is that bad huh? dance off GOTG is better than DOFP. bitch please. And the award for coward of the decade goes too..... yeah you said it under a different user. you said a lie. We the people prefer to stick to the truth. sorry
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Post by kanekikun on Aug 9, 2018 12:20:20 GMT
Black panther was better than logan, and Guardians of the galaxy was better than days of futures past. And winter solider was better than First class, First class was predictable and boring.
there I said it.
so thatguy created a new account to tell us black panther is better than Logan? black panther is that bad huh? dance off GOTG is better than DOFP. bitch please. And the award for coward of the decade goes too..... yeah you said it under a different user. you said a lie. We the people prefer to stick to the truth. sorry Black panther is better than logan, black panther didn't waste characters the way logan did. And guardians was better than dofp, dofp was a gimmick movie. and really predictable.
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Post by charzhino on Aug 9, 2018 12:21:23 GMT
I've made this same argument before. The X-men movies have plenty of light hearted jokey moments. The only difference is that the X-men movies do it with lower lighting and black suits. The jokes are kept seperate from the drama to not undercut them. MCU is full of Bathos humour.
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Post by summers8 on Aug 9, 2018 12:25:52 GMT
so thatguy created a new account to tell us black panther is better than Logan? black panther is that bad huh? dance off GOTG is better than DOFP. bitch please. And the award for coward of the decade goes too..... yeah you said it under a different user. you said a lie. We the people prefer to stick to the truth. sorry Black panther is better than logan, black panther didn't waste characters the way logan did. And guardians was better than dofp, dofp was a gimmick movie. and really predictable.
Good going thatguy, let it all out under a different user of MCU incompetence next you will post as Bud and call Logan the best film of 2017. such a shame, the bipolar disorder you have.
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Post by summers8 on Aug 9, 2018 12:27:04 GMT
I've made this same argument before. The X-men movies have plenty of light hearted jokey moments. The only difference is that the X-men movies do it with lower lighting and black suits. The jokes are kept seperate from the drama to not undercut them. MCU is full of Bathos humour. why does mcu fanboys think we don't like jokes?lol xmen or dc movies have jokes. they are not jokey Disney movie to appeal to kids. how simple is that.
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