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Post by ThatGuy on Aug 4, 2018 23:48:58 GMT
They have a lot of CGI and acceptable stories. Not the worst that belongs to Transformers. Nobody would make a deal out of it except the MCU is so overwhelmingly popular that it will get singled out more. Jurassic World, Pirates of the Caribbean, Pacific Rim and other giant monster movies like Rampage, Godzilla, Skull Island are all the same too, tons of CGI and not the best story. moderators please keep it neutral, its laughable moderators are mcu defenders. talk of media bias.
MCU movies are singled out because they are the worst offenders.
He is being neutral. You just don't want him saying anything positive about the MCU the same way he said positive things about the other movies. If he agreed with your POV, you wouldn't be telling him to stay neutral. You'd use it in your next post. |
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Post by Hauntedknight87 on Aug 5, 2018 0:13:45 GMT
How am I not being Neutral? I'm the one saying it all looks like shit. If anything scabs is being more nice about it.
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Post by seahawksraawk00 on Aug 5, 2018 3:21:10 GMT
They have a lot of CGI and acceptable stories. Not the worst that belongs to Transformers. Nobody would make a deal out of it except the MCU is so overwhelmingly popular that it will get singled out more. Jurassic World, Pirates of the Caribbean, Pacific Rim and other giant monster movies like Rampage, Godzilla, Skull Island are all the same too, tons of CGI and not the best story. moderators please keep it neutral, its laughable moderators are mcu defenders. talk of media bias.
MCU movies are singled out because they are the worst offenders.
Then why do they make 2 billion dollars? They must be doing something right!?!?! |
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Post by Vassaggo on Aug 5, 2018 4:02:21 GMT
Are you saying James Cameron is lying here?
"I'm hoping we'll start getting Avenger fatigue here pretty soon. Not that I don't love the movies. It's just, come on guys, there are other stories to tell besides hyper-gonadal males without families doing death-defying things for two hours and wrecking cities in the process. It's like, oy!"
I know he had harsher things to say about Guardians of the Galaxy.
"We can see the market drives us to a sort of science fiction now that's either competely escapist and doesn't require a technical consultant - an example of that would be 'Guardians of the galaxy.' It's just fun. We don't care how those spaceships work or any of that stuff works. And then you have scientifically responsible science fiction like 'The Martian' or 'Interstellar.'"
The first quote says he loves the Avenger movies, and then criticizes it and in my opinion the whole genre. The second quote is harsher. It sounds like he had fun, but doesn't care for the type of Sci-Fi it is. People have different tastes. He's right GotG isn't hard sci-fi. It's soft sci-fi with a some sci-fantasy. It's irresponsible fun. It's story isn't dependent on science at all. It does nothing to push science along in the collective consciousness. The Martian might actually shave years off of us actually going there. I would argue and I believe Cameron would agree that isn't the point of GotG. It's a goof, a lark, it has the right beats to make you feel something for the characters, but it's not on the same level of science fiction as The Martian. And the great thing about it is... It doesn't have to be. Cameron's fear, and it's valid, is that Hollywood will see the success of GotG and only green light sci-fantasy movies with a mix science fiction only. Hollywood likes to latch it's jaws onto something a wring every dollar out of it.
Right now there is space for GotG and The Martian.
As for Avenger Fatigue specifically and large Superhero Movies in general. (A category I will agree Logan isn't in as it was a smaller more intimate story. I would also put some MCU movies out of that catagory, but not in the same as Logan. I had a few problems with Logan mainly expectation of something else but I can still appreciate it. ) Cameron is falling in the same trap as everyone else talking about fatigue. Right now yes Superhero movies are shinning bright over shadowing some things, but the ratio for them to other movies is around 8:700 per year. Their light will fade slowly know doubt. I also think that with varying the style of each movie the studios will give other options than "hyper-gonadal males without families doing death-defying things for two hours and wrecking cities in the process."
So was Cameron lying when he said he loved the Avengers and GotG was fun?
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Post by scabab on Aug 5, 2018 10:01:49 GMT
MCU movies are singled out because they are the worst offenders. No they aren't, they're singled out because they've been hugely popular and influential for 10 years. There's plenty of movies with an abundance of CGI and a lack of plot. That Godzilla movie next year will likely be the same, a ton of CGI and not much of a plot. |
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Post by summers8 on Aug 5, 2018 10:23:45 GMT
Are you saying James Cameron is lying here? "I'm hoping we'll start getting Avenger fatigue here pretty soon. Not that I don't love the movies. It's just, come on guys, there are other stories to tell besides hyper-gonadal males without families doing death-defying things for two hours and wrecking cities in the process. It's like, oy!" I know he had harsher things to say about Guardians of the Galaxy. "We can see the market drives us to a sort of science fiction now that's either competely escapist and doesn't require a technical consultant - an example of that would be 'Guardians of the galaxy.' It's just fun. We don't care how those spaceships work or any of that stuff works. And then you have scientifically responsible science fiction like 'The Martian' or 'Interstellar.'" The first quote says he loves the Avenger movies, and then criticizes it and in my opinion the whole genre. The second quote is harsher. It sounds like he had fun, but doesn't care for the type of Sci-Fi it is. People have different tastes. He's right GotG isn't hard sci-fi. It's soft sci-fi with a some sci-fantasy. It's irresponsible fun. It's story isn't dependent on science at all. It does nothing to push science along in the collective consciousness. The Martian might actually shave years off of us actually going there. I would argue and I believe Cameron would agree that isn't the point of GotG. It's a goof, a lark, it has the right beats to make you feel something for the characters, but it's not on the same level of science fiction as The Martian. And the great thing about it is... It doesn't have to be. Cameron's fear, and it's valid, is that Hollywood will see the success of GotG and only green light sci-fantasy movies with a mix science fiction only. Hollywood likes to latch it's jaws onto something a wring every dollar out of it. Right now there is space for GotG and The Martian. As for Avenger Fatigue specifically and large Superhero Movies in general. (A category I will agree Logan isn't in as it was a smaller more intimate story. I would also put some MCU movies out of that catagory, but not in the same as Logan. I had a few problems with Logan mainly expectation of something else but I can still appreciate it. ) Cameron is falling in the same trap as everyone else talking about fatigue. Right now yes Superhero movies are shinning bright over shadowing some things, but the ratio for them to other movies is around 8:700 per year. Their light will fade slowly know doubt. I also think that with varying the style of each movie the studios will give other options than "hyper-gonadal males without families doing death-defying things for two hours and wrecking cities in the process." So was Cameron lying when he said he loved the Avengers and GotG was fun? Have you ever heard of backhanded compliment? backhanded compliment is far worse than a straight up hate or a direct insult. this is beyond cameron, mcu producers said what we all know. |
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Post by seahawksraawk00 on Aug 5, 2018 13:37:58 GMT
Are you saying James Cameron is lying here? "I'm hoping we'll start getting Avenger fatigue here pretty soon. Not that I don't love the movies. It's just, come on guys, there are other stories to tell besides hyper-gonadal males without families doing death-defying things for two hours and wrecking cities in the process. It's like, oy!" I know he had harsher things to say about Guardians of the Galaxy. "We can see the market drives us to a sort of science fiction now that's either competely escapist and doesn't require a technical consultant - an example of that would be 'Guardians of the galaxy.' It's just fun. We don't care how those spaceships work or any of that stuff works. And then you have scientifically responsible science fiction like 'The Martian' or 'Interstellar.'" The first quote says he loves the Avenger movies, and then criticizes it and in my opinion the whole genre. The second quote is harsher. It sounds like he had fun, but doesn't care for the type of Sci-Fi it is. People have different tastes. He's right GotG isn't hard sci-fi. It's soft sci-fi with a some sci-fantasy. It's irresponsible fun. It's story isn't dependent on science at all. It does nothing to push science along in the collective consciousness. The Martian might actually shave years off of us actually going there. I would argue and I believe Cameron would agree that isn't the point of GotG. It's a goof, a lark, it has the right beats to make you feel something for the characters, but it's not on the same level of science fiction as The Martian. And the great thing about it is... It doesn't have to be. Cameron's fear, and it's valid, is that Hollywood will see the success of GotG and only green light sci-fantasy movies with a mix science fiction only. Hollywood likes to latch it's jaws onto something a wring every dollar out of it. Right now there is space for GotG and The Martian. As for Avenger Fatigue specifically and large Superhero Movies in general. (A category I will agree Logan isn't in as it was a smaller more intimate story. I would also put some MCU movies out of that catagory, but not in the same as Logan. I had a few problems with Logan mainly expectation of something else but I can still appreciate it. ) Cameron is falling in the same trap as everyone else talking about fatigue. Right now yes Superhero movies are shinning bright over shadowing some things, but the ratio for them to other movies is around 8:700 per year. Their light will fade slowly know doubt. I also think that with varying the style of each movie the studios will give other options than "hyper-gonadal males without families doing death-defying things for two hours and wrecking cities in the process." So was Cameron lying when he said he loved the Avengers and GotG was fun? Have you ever heard of backhanded compliment? backhanded compliment is far worse than a straight up hate or a direct insult. this is beyond cameron, mcu producers said what we all know. Dude you can complain all you like about the MCU, but at the end of the day, it just shows how jealous you are of their success, considering the fact you're trying to argue they're all bad when they're making 2 billion dollars. |
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Post by ThatGuy on Aug 5, 2018 14:09:52 GMT
Are you saying James Cameron is lying here? "I'm hoping we'll start getting Avenger fatigue here pretty soon. Not that I don't love the movies. It's just, come on guys, there are other stories to tell besides hyper-gonadal males without families doing death-defying things for two hours and wrecking cities in the process. It's like, oy!" I know he had harsher things to say about Guardians of the Galaxy. "We can see the market drives us to a sort of science fiction now that's either competely escapist and doesn't require a technical consultant - an example of that would be 'Guardians of the galaxy.' It's just fun. We don't care how those spaceships work or any of that stuff works. And then you have scientifically responsible science fiction like 'The Martian' or 'Interstellar.'" The first quote says he loves the Avenger movies, and then criticizes it and in my opinion the whole genre. The second quote is harsher. It sounds like he had fun, but doesn't care for the type of Sci-Fi it is. People have different tastes. He's right GotG isn't hard sci-fi. It's soft sci-fi with a some sci-fantasy. It's irresponsible fun. It's story isn't dependent on science at all. It does nothing to push science along in the collective consciousness. The Martian might actually shave years off of us actually going there. I would argue and I believe Cameron would agree that isn't the point of GotG. It's a goof, a lark, it has the right beats to make you feel something for the characters, but it's not on the same level of science fiction as The Martian. And the great thing about it is... It doesn't have to be. Cameron's fear, and it's valid, is that Hollywood will see the success of GotG and only green light sci-fantasy movies with a mix science fiction only. Hollywood likes to latch it's jaws onto something a wring every dollar out of it. Right now there is space for GotG and The Martian. As for Avenger Fatigue specifically and large Superhero Movies in general. (A category I will agree Logan isn't in as it was a smaller more intimate story. I would also put some MCU movies out of that catagory, but not in the same as Logan. I had a few problems with Logan mainly expectation of something else but I can still appreciate it. ) Cameron is falling in the same trap as everyone else talking about fatigue. Right now yes Superhero movies are shinning bright over shadowing some things, but the ratio for them to other movies is around 8:700 per year. Their light will fade slowly know doubt. I also think that with varying the style of each movie the studios will give other options than "hyper-gonadal males without families doing death-defying things for two hours and wrecking cities in the process." So was Cameron lying when he said he loved the Avengers and GotG was fun? I don't think Cameron knows the difference between sci-fi and fantasy. Guardians (hell, all of the MCU) is more fantasy while The Martian and Interstellar is sci-fi. It's the same thing with Star Wars vs Star Trek. I think that's why all the MCU can fit together so well while spanning a bunch of sub-genres.
Then he comments on hyper gonadal men with no families doing death defying things for 2 hours, but his last movie had Jake Sully (with no family) jumping off of cliffs and riding dragons close to those cliffs. I really think Cameron is trying to lower other movies in a bid to boost his.
With them changing to more female-led movie, I think he'll ramp up his pro Sarah Conner talk. Then you also have Marvel going cosmic. That could "disrupt" his Avatar sequels...
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Post by Skaathar on Aug 5, 2018 16:21:32 GMT
They have a lot of CGI and acceptable stories. Not the worst that belongs to Transformers. Nobody would make a deal out of it except the MCU is so overwhelmingly popular that it will get singled out more. Jurassic World, Pirates of the Caribbean, Pacific Rim and other giant monster movies like Rampage, Godzilla, Skull Island are all the same too, tons of CGI and not the best story. moderators please keep it neutral, its laughable moderators are mcu defenders. talk of media bias.
MCU movies are singled out because they are the worst offenders.
Moderators are not required to be neutral regarding their opinions on movies. I don't think you understand what a moderator is actually supposed to be. |
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Post by DSDSquared on Aug 6, 2018 13:00:47 GMT
How many times are you going to post the same thing? Just make one post then put a link every time you want to say something. You posted that video already. Wait, do you have Alzheimer?
Also, you post a video of a guy trying to crap on a movie and doesn't know that Infinity War mean fighting over Infinity Stones. Not an ongoing war. Get a clue, kid.
Oh and Wonder Woman is a remake of Captain America First Avenger. And they go into a small town they are suppose to be liberating and blow it up in flashy costumes. Doesn't Pine crap on that too? Don't throw stones in a glass house.
Take note seahawksraawk00 , he never addresses what Cameron said about Wonder Woman. He just glosses over it to bash on the MCU again. Technically I am an adult. reason I subscribed to serious grounded comic films and not the cgi shallow colourful mcu comedy that is clearly for kids.
Wonder Woman's origin story came out first. her movie is not a remake of CA 1 , its a superior version of CA 1. Better than even Black Panther.
Once again, you lied about me. boring. I addressed cameron's criticism of wonder woman and said I understood where he was coming from.
Technically, you are a complete moron. The MCU is so far superior to the DCEU that saying otherwise is just another sad and pathetic attempt to put down the MCU because you are obviously jealous and obsessed for some reason. |
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Post by DSDSquared on Aug 6, 2018 13:03:42 GMT
moderators please keep it neutral, its laughable moderators are mcu defenders. talk of media bias.
MCU movies are singled out because they are the worst offenders.
Moderators are not required to be neutral regarding their opinions on movies. I don't think you understand what a moderator is actually supposed to be. Not to mention that 9/10 times he is actually biased towards the DCEU. |
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Post by summers8 on Aug 13, 2018 20:58:00 GMT
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Post by Skaathar on Aug 13, 2018 21:14:45 GMT
I knew IW had a lot of CGI but didn't know they had this much. Just goes to show how good the CGI is in the movie when we can't detect a lot of it. |
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Post by Vassaggo on Aug 13, 2018 22:47:23 GMT
I knew IW had a lot of CGI but didn't know they had this much. Just goes to show how good the CGI is in the movie when we can't detect a lot of it. the 96% makes sense when you think about it. Thanos, Groot, Rocket are 100% so just a scene with them talking or in the background is a cgi scene. Same with the Outriders and the Children of Thanos. Add Tony, Black Panther's and Spidey's suits and Doc Strange's cape and again no action still going to need effects. Then the action set pieces. I'm surprised that it's not higher tbh. |
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Post by ThatGuy on May 8, 2019 19:57:36 GMT
I knew IW had a lot of CGI but didn't know they had this much. Just goes to show how good the CGI is in the movie when we can't detect a lot of it. It's because a lot of the characters are CGI and mo-cap (suits like Spider-man and Iron Man and such). I think at least 1 is shown in every scene. If not, then there are also green screens everywhere.
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Post by Skaathar on May 8, 2019 20:01:40 GMT
So why d hate for us real comic fans? James Cameron was right.
Nah, I think it's Avatar you're referring to. |
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Post by ThatGuy on Jun 20, 2019 17:44:46 GMT
So why d hate for us real comic fans? James Cameron was right.
Nah, I think it's Avatar you're referring to. Remember that time Cameron built a working 1:1 scale Titanic and sank it? That's dedication to your craft.
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Jun 20, 2019 18:13:22 GMT
Nah, I think it's Avatar you're referring to. Remember that time Cameron built a working 1:1 scale Titanic and sank it? That's dedication to your craft. Wasn't there talk of Cameron wanting to go back and change the stars in the night sky to make them more accurate or something? Did he ever go through with that? I'm assuming the character assassination of William Murdoch will remain.
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Post by blockbusted on Jun 20, 2019 20:23:01 GMT
So? 'The Jungle Book' is almost entirely CGI and that film was one of the best films of 2016. |
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Post by ThatGuy on Jun 20, 2019 20:40:50 GMT
Remember that time Cameron built a working 1:1 scale Titanic and sank it? That's dedication to your craft. Wasn't there talk of Cameron wanting to go back and change the stars in the night sky to make them more accurate or something? Did he ever go through with that? I'm assuming the character assassination of William Murdoch will remain. I'd believe it.
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