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Post by PreachCaleb on Aug 7, 2018 15:23:54 GMT
What livelihood? Gunn is far richer than any of us ever will be, and he'll no doubt continue to direct. He just can't make Guardians vol. 3 for Disney. That's not a tragedy. And people can grow and change. Doesn't mean they won't face consequences for their actions or be held accountable. There's a very good chance his career as a mainstream director is over. If Roman Polanski can still get work, so can James Gunn. He'll probably lie low for a while, maybe do a small feature, but he'll be back to mainstream directing. The guy helped make Disney hundreds of millions of dollars. I'm sure there are studios just waiting to get their hands on him.
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Post by ryboto on Aug 7, 2018 16:08:19 GMT
Buddy, I think they're SLIME. Well, you're just another example of the unfortunate culture we live in.
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Post by Lord Death Man on Aug 7, 2018 16:10:43 GMT
There's a very good chance his career as a mainstream director is over. If Roman Polanski can still get work, so can James Gunn. He'll probably lie low for a while, maybe do a small feature, but he'll be back to mainstream directing. The guy helped make Disney hundreds of millions of dollars. I'm sure there are studios just waiting to get their hands on him. In my opinion, he'll likely have to spend some time proving himself all over again in the indie ranks before mainstream Hollywood "embraces" him again. He's already been tried and convicted of child molestation in the minds of most everyone who can parrot a popular opinion. He's not a safe bet for a mainstream studio at this time.
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Post by ryboto on Aug 7, 2018 16:11:12 GMT
No, he isn't. Not liking jokes about child abuse is not "too sensitive." You can not like it. But to flame someone who's career was about that shit at the time and to attack him years after it was ALREADY addressed, is overly sensitive. Maybe vindictive. This PC culture is ludicrous. I'm glad I'm a nobody so no one cares when I make insensitive comments. This is on the employer...it was all public before, so why the hell didn't anyone give a shit then?
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Post by Hauntedknight87 on Aug 7, 2018 16:41:05 GMT
It's hard to feel bad for a guy who got fired over his tweets after he basically crusade against Roseanne over her tweets.
It was karma.
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Aug 7, 2018 16:58:04 GMT
Buddy, I think they're SLIME. Well, you're just another example of the unfortunate culture we live in. ok, let's say you hire a new babysitter for the kids in the kindergarden you run. He writes stories about poo-obsessed rodents and is fun. So far so good, but after some time you get to know that the guy posted countless pro child-rape comments and jokes and endorses pedos and pedo-right groups during and shortly before his tenure here.
What would you do as a responsible person in charge and as adult?
(a) pfff, its just an artist's online comments and jokes about child rape and pedos, he will not really harm the children. I do nothing.
(b) I give the guy a chance, but as soon as he rapes a child he gets fired.
(c) ok it's distusting, but the guy is such a genius, his poo-beaver is the shit for the kids, that makes it right.
(c) the tweets have been disclosed by some online altright omegas, that alone invalidates everything even when confirmed.
(d) the tweets were all at least 4 years old, surely he has changed in the meantime, I mean he's like 51... (e) are you kidding me, fire that creep immediately before someting happens!
(b) terminate now by adhering to a grace period and let him work.
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Aug 7, 2018 17:02:09 GMT
It's hard to feel bad for a guy who got fired over his tweets after he basically crusade against Roseanne over her tweets. It was karma. indeed, and he was absolutely RIGHT with what he said there, every word.
Also, don't forget his recent comments towards SW fans not happy with current SW: "GO TO THERAPIE"
It's the karma boomerang and a bit of projection.
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Post by ryboto on Aug 7, 2018 17:06:30 GMT
Well, you're just another example of the unfortunate culture we live in. ok, let's say you hire a new babysitter for the kids in the kindergarden you run. He writes stories about poo-obsessed rodents and is fun. So far so good, but after some time you get to know that the guy posted countless pro child-rape comments and jokes and endorses pedos and pedo-right groups during and shortly before his tenure here.
What would you do as a responsible person in charge and as adult?
(a) pfff, its just an artist's online comments and jokes about child rape and pedos, he will not really harm the children. I do nothing.
(b) I give the guy a chance, but as soon as he rapes a child he gets fired.
(c) ok it's distusting, but the guy is such a genius, his poo-beaver is the shit for the kids, that makes it right.
(c) the tweets have been disclosed by some online altright omegas, that alone invalidates everything even when confirmed.
(d) the tweets were all at least 4 years old, surely he has changed in the meantime, I mean he's like 51... (e) are you kidding me, fire that creep immediately before someting happens!
(b) terminate now by adhering to a grace period and let him work.
too long, did not read. It was addressed in the past. If you had an issue with it then, raise it then. If you gave that much of a shit, you should have vetted the person more.
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Post by PreachCaleb on Aug 7, 2018 18:48:00 GMT
No, he isn't. Not liking jokes about child abuse is not "too sensitive." You can not like it. But to flame someone who's career was about that shit at the time and to attack him years after it was ALREADY addressed, is overly sensitive. Maybe vindictive. This PC culture is ludicrous. I'm glad I'm a nobody so no one cares when I make insensitive comments. This is on the employer... it was all public before, so why the hell didn't anyone give a shit then? Just because something is public doesn't mean everyone is aware of it. And a company firing someone for something they don't isn't "flaming." It's business. As it's always been. Yes, it is on the employer. They can choose who to fire. And just how is it PC to not want to be associated with child abuse jokes?
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Post by PreachCaleb on Aug 7, 2018 18:49:35 GMT
If Roman Polanski can still get work, so can James Gunn. He'll probably lie low for a while, maybe do a small feature, but he'll be back to mainstream directing. The guy helped make Disney hundreds of millions of dollars. I'm sure there are studios just waiting to get their hands on him. In my opinion, he'll likely have to spend some time proving himself all over again in the indie ranks before mainstream Hollywood "embraces" him again. He's already been tried and convicted of child molestation in the minds of most everyone who can parrot a popular opinion. He's not a safe bet for a mainstream studio at this time. The public will move on. He didn't commit any actual crimes, and he's made two hit movies. He'll land on his feet just fine. Sure it'll take time, but he'll be all right. Don't know about Bautista though. He might end up stroking out if he doesn't relax.
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Post by Lord Death Man on Aug 7, 2018 19:04:31 GMT
In my opinion, he'll likely have to spend some time proving himself all over again in the indie ranks before mainstream Hollywood "embraces" him again. He's already been tried and convicted of child molestation in the minds of most everyone who can parrot a popular opinion. He's not a safe bet for a mainstream studio at this time. The public will move on. He didn't commit any actual crimes, and he's made two hit movies. He'll land on his feet just fine. Sure it'll take time, but he'll be all right. Don't know about Bautista though. He might end up stroking out if he doesn't relax. I guess time will tell for certain.
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Post by ryboto on Aug 7, 2018 19:08:58 GMT
You can not like it. But to flame someone who's career was about that shit at the time and to attack him years after it was ALREADY addressed, is overly sensitive. Maybe vindictive. This PC culture is ludicrous. I'm glad I'm a nobody so no one cares when I make insensitive comments. This is on the employer... it was all public before, so why the hell didn't anyone give a shit then? Just because something is public doesn't mean everyone is aware of it. And a company firing someone for something they don't isn't "flaming." It's business. As it's always been. Yes, it is on the employer. They can choose who to fire. And just how is it PC to not want to be associated with child abuse jokes? You're defending the sjw times, basically. People are quicker to judge and blame and define a person based on a single act out of context. I'm not specifically talking about Gunn. Still, if you didn't care about it then, when it was addressed, then to whine about it now is ridiculous. The employer sure as hell knew.
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Post by PreachCaleb on Aug 7, 2018 20:11:26 GMT
Just because something is public doesn't mean everyone is aware of it. And a company firing someone for something they don't isn't "flaming." It's business. As it's always been. Yes, it is on the employer. They can choose who to fire. And just how is it PC to not want to be associated with child abuse jokes? You're defending the sjw times, basically. People are quicker to judge and blame and define a person based on a single act out of context. I'm not specifically talking about Gunn. Yes, I'm defending people's right to feel however they want to. I've never understood this misconception that people can say or do anything they want without being held accountable.
Disney told you this personally?
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Post by ryboto on Aug 7, 2018 20:26:21 GMT
You're defending the sjw times, basically. People are quicker to judge and blame and define a person based on a single act out of context. I'm not specifically talking about Gunn. Yes, I'm defending people's right to feel however they want to. I've never understood this misconception that people can say or do anything they want without being held accountable.
Disney told you this personally? Two different things. Feeling one way is fine, no one is telling you how to feel. Holding someone accountable for making disgusting jokes is something else. Yes, a company as large as Disney would have done some kind of risk assessment. He had a public blog and twitter account and he was going to become a high profile director. They knew.
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Aug 7, 2018 20:54:31 GMT
Yes, I'm defending people's right to feel however they want to. I've never understood this misconception that people can say or do anything they want without being held accountable.
Disney told you this personally? Two different things. Feeling one way is fine, no one is telling you how to feel. Holding someone accountable for making disgusting jokes is something else. Yes, a company as large as Disney would have done some kind of risk assessment. He had a public blog and twitter account and he was going to become a high profile director. They knew. what about tweets that he made during his tenure at Disney such as the hilariously unfunny "Eagle snatches kid is what I call it when I get lucky" from Dec 22 2012 Did they know too? Or must they monitor everybody 24/7 to be entitled to get rid of of a child rape comedian?
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Post by PreachCaleb on Aug 7, 2018 21:05:52 GMT
Yes, I'm defending people's right to feel however they want to. I've never understood this misconception that people can say or do anything they want without being held accountable.
Disney told you this personally? Two different things. Feeling one way is fine, no one is telling you how to feel. Holding someone accountable for making disgusting jokes is something else. Yes, a company as large as Disney would have done some kind of risk assessment. He had a public blog and twitter account and he was going to become a high profile director. They knew. So people shouldn't be held accountable by the public? For what they say. To the public. Sure, Disney just perused thousands of tweets going back a decade for all its employees.
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Post by ryboto on Aug 7, 2018 21:52:16 GMT
Two different things. Feeling one way is fine, no one is telling you how to feel. Holding someone accountable for making disgusting jokes is something else. Yes, a company as large as Disney would have done some kind of risk assessment. He had a public blog and twitter account and he was going to become a high profile director. They knew. So people shouldn't be held accountable by the public? For what they say. To the public. Sure, Disney just perused thousands of tweets going back a decade for all its employees. Define accountable. Why does it matter? Is he pushing this message in his movies? Has he in the last 6 years? When He was hired there were fewer tweets hiding the hideous ones. Get real, a multi billion dollar company can easily screen social media feeds.
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Post by ryboto on Aug 7, 2018 21:53:52 GMT
Two different things. Feeling one way is fine, no one is telling you how to feel. Holding someone accountable for making disgusting jokes is something else. Yes, a company as large as Disney would have done some kind of risk assessment. He had a public blog and twitter account and he was going to become a high profile director. They knew. what about tweets that he made during his tenure at Disney such as the hilariously unfunny "Eagle snatches kid is what I call it when I get lucky" from Dec 22 2012 Did they know too? Or must they monitor everybody 24/7 to be entitled to get rid of of a child rape comedian? It's a shitty tweet and they most likely saw it, but the culture of the times wasn't to hang him because of it. SJW POWEEERRRRRRR!
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Post by PreachCaleb on Aug 7, 2018 22:04:53 GMT
So people shouldn't be held accountable by the public? For what they say. To the public. Sure, Disney just perused thousands of tweets going back a decade for all its employees. Define accountable. Why does it matter? Is he pushing this message in his movies? Has he in the last 6 years? When He was hired there were fewer tweets hiding the hideous ones. Get real, a multi billion dollar company can easily screen social media feeds. ac·count·a·ble əˈkoun(t)əb(ə)l adjective 1. (of a person, organization, or institution) required or expected to justify actions or decisions; responsible. "government must be accountable to its citizens" synonyms: responsible, liable, answerable; to blame "the government was held accountable for the food shortage" 2. explicable; understandable. Why shouldn't it matter? Disney is a company, not a robot. It's not as easy as we'd like to think it is.
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Post by ryboto on Aug 7, 2018 22:34:39 GMT
Define accountable. Why does it matter? Is he pushing this message in his movies? Has he in the last 6 years? When He was hired there were fewer tweets hiding the hideous ones. Get real, a multi billion dollar company can easily screen social media feeds. ac·count·a·ble əˈkoun(t)əb(ə)l adjective 1. (of a person, organization, or institution) required or expected to justify actions or decisions; responsible. "government must be accountable to its citizens" synonyms: responsible, liable, answerable; to blame "the government was held accountable for the food shortage" 2. explicable; understandable. Why shouldn't it matter? Disney is a company, not a robot. It's not as easy as we'd like to think it is. In the context regarding you, personally. Why is he accountable to you? To his employer, sure. While under employment, I can understand punishment...but before? If they didn't like his character they shouldn't have hired him.
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