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Post by maya55555 on Aug 13, 2018 4:26:32 GMT
Have Fun:
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Post by FilmFlaneur on Aug 13, 2018 12:19:35 GMT
Why do Jehovah’s Witnesses lie? My belief is that JWs are a cult, a cult that will lie, deceive, and sweet-talk you into joining them. After you join, they put the thumbscrews on, but it’s too late. In fairness to JWs, all cults lie to get you hooked, not just JWs. If they don't lie and deceive, then they are at least constantly mistaken, having predicted the end of the world wrongly quite a few times now. If they can't get a big thing like this right, why should one trust them on the smaller things? |
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Post by Isapop on Aug 13, 2018 19:51:28 GMT
The JW that I used to talk with told me arbitrarily that there is no hell. They actually believe in quite a few things that stray from mainstream Christianity. They believe it was more likely Jesus was nailed to a stake rather than a cross and reject infant baptisms (it has to be done as consenting adult).You're mistaken there. You don't have be an adult. JWs baptize children, as this JW.org article to "help parents determine whether their children are ready for baptism" shows. wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/2011441
It's worth noting that, for once, CoolJGS☺ didn't bother to tell you that you were wrong, as he promptly does whenever any poster states something inaccurate about JWs. It appears that when an inaccuracy reflects badly on the Watchtower, he's sure to knock it down, but when an inaccuracy might reflect well on them, he's satisfied to let it stand.
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Post by Rodney Farber on Aug 13, 2018 21:07:59 GMT
Leave the proselytizers alone. I do until they interrupt me. Then, the s*** hits the fan. That's what started this thread. They interrupted me last week. |
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Post by rachelcarson1953 on Aug 13, 2018 21:18:36 GMT
Leave the proselytizers alone. I do until they interrupt me. Then, the s*** hits the fan. That's what started this thread. They interrupted me last week. They used to interrupt me, until I called the police to ask what I could do to keep them off my property, and they said to post no trespassing signs next to the driveway. Worked for me, so far, but I live in a rural area and there is little other foot traffic. |
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Post by MCDemuth on Aug 13, 2018 21:21:36 GMT
If you actually believe what you say, then even if what you say is wrong, it isn't a "Lie"!
I see someone has indoctrinated the OP to think otherwise... Maybe we can brainwash him to think correctly.
If more and more people in the world keep using the incorrect terminology, the future of the human race will come to an end over constant misunderstandings and conflict.
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Post by rachelcarson1953 on Aug 13, 2018 21:52:05 GMT
If you actually believe what you say, then even if what you say is wrong, it isn't a "Lie"! I see someone has indoctrinated the OP to think otherwise... Maybe we can brainwash him to think correctly. If more and more people in the world keep using the incorrect terminology, the future of the human race will come to an end over constant misunderstandings and conflict.That's pretty much what is happening now, and has been ever since humans formed tribes. Actually, conflict is what drives the evolutionary process, only the fittest (whatever that even means, now) survive to reproduce. Humans will eventually go extinct, for a variety of possible reasons, but the earth will still be here for a long time to come. Maybe insects will evolve next. |
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Post by captainbryce on Aug 14, 2018 0:23:13 GMT
It is their interpretation although not many (if any major sect) had made such an interpretation for the first 19 centuries of Christianity. Yes. I told him that I had seen hell myself, and so I know it is real. I've seen things that would probably make Dog the Bounty Hunter crap his pants from fear. I can only testify, and my testimony is there for anyone to accept or reject. Several other religions besides Christianity have a hell equivalent. I think of it as a toxic waste dump in the spiritual sense. Isn’t it more logical that you’re just crazy? I mean realistically, you should consider that as a possibility |
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Aug 14, 2018 0:27:17 GMT
Yes. I told him that I had seen hell myself, and so I know it is real. I've seen things that would probably make Dog the Bounty Hunter crap his pants from fear. I can only testify, and my testimony is there for anyone to accept or reject. Several other religions besides Christianity have a hell equivalent. I think of it as a toxic waste dump in the spiritual sense. Isn’t it more logical that you’re just crazy? I mean realistically, you should consider that as a possibility Shouldn't everyone consider that as a possibility? |
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Post by captainbryce on Aug 14, 2018 1:52:23 GMT
Isn’t it more logical that you’re just crazy? I mean realistically, you should consider that as a possibility Shouldn't everyone consider that as a possibility? No. Only people who have deranged visions and then believe that they represent reality should. Sane people who don’t see supernatural or paranormal phenomena generally don’t need to question their sanity. |
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Post by Arlon10 on Aug 14, 2018 2:09:22 GMT
Shouldn't everyone consider that as a possibility? No. Only people who have deranged visions and then believe that they represent reality should. Sane people who don’t see supernatural or paranormal phenomena generally don’t need to question their sanity. Please take a look at what FilmFlaneur imagines is "reality" in our latest exchanges in The Atheist Experience |
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Post by lowtacks86 on Aug 14, 2018 2:12:13 GMT
They actually believe in quite a few things that stray from mainstream Christianity. They believe it was more likely Jesus was nailed to a stake rather than a cross and reject infant baptisms (it has to be done as consenting adult).You're mistaken there. You don't have be an adult. JWs baptize children, as this JW.org article to "help parents determine whether their children are ready for baptism" shows. wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/2011441
It's worth noting that, for once, CoolJGS☺ didn't bother to tell you that you were wrong, as he promptly does whenever any poster states something inaccurate about JWs. It appears that when an inaccuracy reflects badly on the Watchtower, he's sure to knock it down, but when an inaccuracy might reflect well on them, he's satisfied to let it stand.
Oh that's right. I guess the point I was trying to make is you have to be old enough to actually understand what a baptism is, so obviously that rules out infant baptisms. |
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Aug 14, 2018 2:16:06 GMT
Shouldn't everyone consider that as a possibility? No. Only people who have deranged visions and then believe that they represent reality should. Sane people who don’t see supernatural or paranormal phenomena generally don’t need to question their sanity. Prove it. |
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Post by Cody™ on Aug 14, 2018 8:45:52 GMT
LOL
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Post by captainbryce on Aug 14, 2018 9:33:06 GMT
No. Only people who have deranged visions and then believe that they represent reality should. Sane people who don’t see supernatural or paranormal phenomena generally don’t need to question their sanity. Prove it. Um...no...that’s okay! I don’t really feel the need to prove my opinion. And the fact that you’re actually asking me to prove that people who say, do, and believe “crazy” things should be considered crazy really kind of makes my point for me. That request literally says more about you itself than anything I could actually prove on my own. Cheers! |
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Aug 14, 2018 9:38:40 GMT
Um...no...that’s okay! I don’t really feel the need to prove my opinion. And the fact that you’re actually asking me to prove that people who say, do, and believe “crazy” things should be considered crazy really kind of makes my point for me. That request literally says more about you itself than anything I could actually prove on my own. Cheers! Really? I wonder if it works both ways. Filthy perverted "gays" are a detriment to society and are mentally unbalanced, but I don't have to prove it, because it's my opinion.  |
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Post by captainbryce on Aug 14, 2018 9:47:15 GMT
Um...no...that’s okay! I don’t really feel the need to prove my opinion. And the fact that you’re actually asking me to prove that people who say, do, and believe “crazy” things should be considered crazy really kind of makes my point for me. That request literally says more about you itself than anything I could actually prove on my own. Cheers! Really? I wonder if it works both ways. Filthy perverted "gays" are a detriment to society and are mentally unbalanced, but I don't have to prove it, because it's my opinion. Yes, the opinion of a self hating, repressed homosexual, who apparently has visions of hell. That speaks for itself in terms of insanity. I really think you need help. |
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Aug 14, 2018 9:56:29 GMT
Really? I wonder if it works both ways. Filthy perverted "gays" are a detriment to society and are mentally unbalanced, but I don't have to prove it, because it's my opinion. Yes, the opinion of a self hating, repressed homosexual, who apparently has visions of hell. That speaks for itself in terms of insanity. I really think you need help. Observe as the poof tries the "self-hating repressed homosexual" ploy. It doesn't get any better with the years, does it, folks? |
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Aug 14, 2018 12:19:30 GMT
Rodney FarberYeah, I concede that JW's are not Baptists or Catholic which both have their own version of proselytizing. I'm not cajoling anyone. I couldn't care less what you do lol. People come and go by choice and desire. You are under the mistaken impression that the main goal of JW's is to gain as many members as possible. If that were the case, they could reconfigure their requirements to bring their numbers to 20 or 30 million rather than 8.5 million. Instead, their goal is similar to the one Jesus had. Tell people about God's promises (Or warn them of his future judgement on the wicked) and let them choose to go through the effort of qualifying to be one of them. That's the funny part. It is actually difficult to become one of them unless you either want it or you lie. Liars probably don't last too long which is why they leave or are given the boot. It's a tough religion to be a part of if you don't actually like, agree, or believe in it. There are easier churches to belong to. Well, that would be on their website for full details, but they would argue there have been Jehovah's Witnesses on the planet since Abel. They believe that prophecy explained the love of the greater number would cool off and true Christianity would be all by non-existent for a long time with scatterings of people trying to cut through false teachings...blah, blah, blah. Like said, it's all on their website. The organization itself exists as a result of legal requirements. For example, in Russia, the organization no longer exists. By your view, that would mean the teachings no longer exist. It was dismantled and their property seized. However, there are still over 100k JW's there because they are bigger than their legality. They don't. There are new translations that simply match up to the language of the day. If they are around for another 30 years, then they will have an updated translation. They have a bunch of Bible translations on their app/website and a pretty thorough explanation of most verses. Here's the link: wol.jw.org/en/wol/binav/r1/lp-eIt's so thorough while easy to read that it's my primary Bible although I use NIV here since it doesn't really matter. Are you saying this account is only in the NWT or are you just stating a basic dislike of Bible verses? Same question but I'll add that there was never an indication that God didn;t kill bad people in the Bible before, during, or after the commandment concerning murder, a concept God would never be beholden to anyway. As an aside, it's ha-ha funny that you are whining about the NWT but use a KJV of the commandment. Same question, but I'll add that there was never an indication in the NT that God wouldn't kill bad people. Meh, that's a pretty good reason.
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Aug 14, 2018 12:21:24 GMT
Rodney FarberI forgot to add that none of that actually revealed that they were lying.
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