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Post by Vassaggo on Aug 7, 2018 20:22:39 GMT
Here is a list of things that cannot determine the validity or quality of art:
Your opinion. My opinion. Anybody's opinion singularly. -Critics, Film Makers, Writers, etc Anybody's opinion collectively -Critics Aggregated, Groups in Fandoms, Groups who give out awards, Ratings Aggregated etc Box Office
So without using any of these things can you prove that DOFP is better than Winter Soldier? No? You know why? It's an OPINION!
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Post by summers8 on Aug 7, 2018 20:37:11 GMT
Truthful and fair collective opinions becomes more in line with the truth. in the history of films and film making, we always know a film with the most compelling story, better characterization and better technicality ends up been the better film. DOFP factually has that over TWS, those were the opinions. Iron Man 1 been basic makes it the weakest of the bunch. that is how we judge good movies. I think this is the reason mcu movies pisses off meany film directors, actors and screen writers. they are not challenging enough. they are cgi dumb as admitted by the makers of Infinity War.
Listen to David Finch explain it better than me that pissed of you mcu fans in denial. he lays it out why MCU movies are poorly written, he even explain why their poor story mode and cgi use that is a mess.
This is film making fact. not random fanboy opinions.
A Call to Authority Fallacy is all that is. In the end it's just Finch's Opinion. I can do it too. Kevin Smith calls Ironman a "Perfect Film" There is no such thing as a truthful opinion when it comes to art. OPINIONS ARE SUBJECTIVE. Even if the overall opinion of one movie is better than another like you said "collective opinions becomes more in line with the truth" you are just using argumentum ad populum fallacy. Many people's opinion says this is true so therefore it's true. Opinions based on truthful analysis. if this was film school. DOFP will get a 4.0 GPA. TWS will get a 2.5 GPA. AND IT IS ALL OPINIONS...right? Common sense cant tell us who factually wrote the better answer to the exams.
I think I have my answer. MCU fans did not take it well.
Hope you are preparing for mcu-gotg-batmaan and robin-xmen that will upgrade DOFP to masterpiece.
poor poor winter solider.
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Post by Lord Death Man on Aug 7, 2018 20:38:07 GMT
This thread is not very sportsman-like or as good-natured as its opening two sentences would lead one to believe. You continue to foster enmity between two fandoms that are now functionally one. You infer that some MCU fans are insane and not level-headed. Under those circumstances, is it wise to present them with a bait thread designed to incense and present an adversarial situation? Surely you realize that this can only lead to unrest? I know that the management here favors your tactics and condones your actions as you represent the height of critical thinking and analytical skill this board can bring to bear on any topic related to the MCU (grammar notwithstanding). Let me be the first to embrace you as a brother in the NEW fandom. Now that the curtain call has been issued for the XMU, I hope that you can all respectfully take your bows after New Mutants and join our new consolidated family. This message sponsored by the LDM coalition for Peaceful Fandom Coexistence.I already have, remember my past thread that I was fine with disney buying fox. I am on pension now. the best part of a pension, see your hard work pay off. I am about to see mcu xmen crash harder than batman and robin. what could make me more happy. LOL.
Does not mean I can not enjoy the real xmen movies we had, I am right now. to see how a real xmen movie destroyed the best mcu movie. this is fun.
Yes, I do recall your past threads. Congratulations, I'm so glad you're enjoying your retirement thus far. I've always felt that we, the younger vanguard of the fandom, should honor the more senior members who came before. Given your status as an honored, senior figure within the fandom, I wonder if you might care to share your age with us? I'm sure we could all benefit from knowing just how long one can sustain the habit of following fantasy and adventure. Respectfully, Lord Death Man
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Post by Vassaggo on Aug 7, 2018 20:48:04 GMT
A Call to Authority Fallacy is all that is. In the end it's just Finch's Opinion. I can do it too. Kevin Smith calls Ironman a "Perfect Film" There is no such thing as a truthful opinion when it comes to art. OPINIONS ARE SUBJECTIVE. Even if the overall opinion of one movie is better than another like you said "collective opinions becomes more in line with the truth" you are just using argumentum ad populum fallacy. Many people's opinion says this is true so therefore it's true. Opinions based on truthful analysis. if this was film school. DOFP will get a 4.0 GPA. TWS will get a 2.5 GPA. AND IT IS ALL OPINIONS...right? Common sense cant tell us who factually wrote the better answer to the exams.
I think I have my answer. MCU fans did not take it well.
Hope you are preparing for mcu-gotg-batmaan and robin-xmen that will upgrade DOFP to masterpiece.
poor poor winter solider. It doesn't matter what an opinion is based on. No matter how hard you try to stretch it. Opinion is not Fact. Opinion based on emotion not a fact. Opinion based on analysis not a fact. Opinion based on facts not a fact. Opinion based on opinion not a fact. So I will answer your question. How did MCU Fans feel when DOFP "Destroyed" WS? You question is based on your opinion and like minded people's opinion that DOFP "Destroyed" WS. So you are asking me how I feel that you believe that DOFP "Destroyed" WS. I feel good. It's great that you have a preference. I like when people have opinions. Keep on having opinions, but try not to confuse them with facts. Also it's pretty shitty to flame others for theirs. And one final note while I don't agree that DOFP is better than WS (it's close), I do believe X2 did. To me DOFP falls into a hole of cashing in on Jennifer Lawrence's popularity and bends to the story to her. (see that's an opinion also) I wouldn't say DOFP is the best out of the prequels. First Class to me is the better movie.
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Aug 7, 2018 20:52:39 GMT
Y'know for somebody who sure hates the MCU you sure can't stop talking about it.
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Post by charzhino on Aug 7, 2018 21:16:46 GMT
So I say this quote often but I never really asked the question. question for mcu fans especially the sane level headed fans. what was it like in 2014 to see Winter Solider outclassed by DOFP?
Winter Solider was and still is called the best MCU movie, their most acclaimed, their most serious, their first attempt to make a grown up film and to see it get destroyed by DOFP just after 4 weeks? how did that feel?
Was it like 2008 again when TDK destroyed Iron Man 1 or not as bad or worse? since this time, this was MCU chance to loose the kids appeal and they were lacking to another film that never took in the kids appeal, which gave it a better advantage.
So what was it like MCU fans for your best film to loose against what people might call the 3rd best x-film after Logan and X2.
But you have had worse years of embrassment. 2008, 2017 with Logan and TDK surely this was not as bad in 2014. This thread is not very sportsman-like or as good-natured as its opening two sentences would lead one to believe. You continue to foster enmity between two fandoms that are now functionally one. You infer that some MCU fans are insane and not level-headed. Under those circumstances, is it wise to present them with a bait thread designed to incense and present an adversarial situation? Surely you realize that this can only lead to unrest? I know that the management here favors your tactics and condones your actions as you represent the height of critical thinking and analytical skill this board can bring to bear on any topic related to the MCU (grammar notwithstanding). Let me be the first to embrace you as a brother in the NEW fandom. Now that the curtain call has been issued for the XMU, I hope that you can all respectfully take your bows after New Mutants and join our new consolidated family. This message sponsored by the LDM coalition for Peaceful Fandom Coexistence.The fandom wont be united until the first DISNEY XMEN is released on opening night sometime in 2022 - and hopefully a nuclear war has obliterated the western world by then. There is at least one Fox Xmen film scheculed to come out next Feb and the division will remain until then.
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Post by Lord Death Man on Aug 7, 2018 21:24:13 GMT
This thread is not very sportsman-like or as good-natured as its opening two sentences would lead one to believe. You continue to foster enmity between two fandoms that are now functionally one. You infer that some MCU fans are insane and not level-headed. Under those circumstances, is it wise to present them with a bait thread designed to incense and present an adversarial situation? Surely you realize that this can only lead to unrest? I know that the management here favors your tactics and condones your actions as you represent the height of critical thinking and analytical skill this board can bring to bear on any topic related to the MCU (grammar notwithstanding). Let me be the first to embrace you as a brother in the NEW fandom. Now that the curtain call has been issued for the XMU, I hope that you can all respectfully take your bows after New Mutants and join our new consolidated family. This message sponsored by the LDM coalition for Peaceful Fandom Coexistence.The fandom wont be united until the first DISNEY XMEN is released on opening night sometime in 2022 - and hopefully a nuclear war has obliterated the western world by then. There is at least one Fox Xmen film scheculed to come out next Feb and the division will remain until then. charzhino, my old friend. It's so good to hear from you. There's no need to stand on ceremony here. You can join the body politic whenever and however you like. This is to be done at your own pace. Take your time, hurry up... as a friend as a known enemy. You're all welcome.
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