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Post by summers8 on Aug 7, 2018 18:06:44 GMT
So I say this quote often but I never really asked the question. question for mcu fans especially the sane level headed fans. what was it like in 2014 to see Winter Solider outclassed by DOFP?
Winter Solider was and still is called the best MCU movie, their most acclaimed, their most serious, their first attempt to make a grown up film and to see it get destroyed by DOFP just after 4 weeks? how did that feel?
Was it like 2008 again when TDK destroyed Iron Man 1 or not as bad or worse? since this time, this was MCU chance to loose the kids appeal and they were lacking to another film that never took in the kids appeal, which gave it a better advantage.
So what was it like MCU fans for your best film to loose against what people might call the 3rd best x-film after Logan and X2.
But you have had worse years of embrassment. 2008, 2017 with Logan and TDK surely this was not as bad in 2014.
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Post by charzhino on Aug 7, 2018 18:13:00 GMT
I like DOFP more but Winter Soldier is not far off. The final act is what seperates Winter Soldier from the rest of the MCU and like DOFP it has a strong emotionally driven ending thats fully character driven (confrontation of Bucky and Cap, mirrors Charles confrontation with Mistique with the gun).
You can say the helicarrier fight is the usual CGI explosions but its more grounded and looks realistic compared to something ridiculous like the Black Panther final fight.
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Post by Lord Death Man on Aug 7, 2018 18:34:55 GMT
So I say this quote often but I never really asked the question. question for mcu fans especially the sane level headed fans. what was it like in 2014 to see Winter Solider outclassed by DOFP?
Winter Solider was and still is called the best MCU movie, their most acclaimed, their most serious, their first attempt to make a grown up film and to see it get destroyed by DOFP just after 4 weeks? how did that feel?
Was it like 2008 again when TDK destroyed Iron Man 1 or not as bad or worse? since this time, this was MCU chance to loose the kids appeal and they were lacking to another film that never took in the kids appeal, which gave it a better advantage.
So what was it like MCU fans for your best film to loose against what people might call the 3rd best x-film after Logan and X2.
But you have had worse years of embrassment. 2008, 2017 with Logan and TDK surely this was not as bad in 2014. This thread is not very sportsman-like or as good-natured as its opening two sentences would lead one to believe. You continue to foster enmity between two fandoms that are now functionally one. You infer that some MCU fans are insane and not level-headed. Under those circumstances, is it wise to present them with a bait thread designed to incense and present an adversarial situation? Surely you realize that this can only lead to unrest? I know that the management here favors your tactics and condones your actions as you represent the height of critical thinking and analytical skill this board can bring to bear on any topic related to the MCU (grammar notwithstanding). Let me be the first to embrace you as a brother in the NEW fandom. Now that the curtain call has been issued for the XMU, I hope that you can all respectfully take your bows after New Mutants and join our new consolidated family. This message sponsored by the LDM coalition for Peaceful Fandom Coexistence. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2018 18:50:12 GMT
So I say this quote often but I never really asked the question. question for mcu fans especially the sane level headed fans. what was it like in 2014 to see Winter Solider outclassed by DOFP?
Winter Solider was and still is called the best MCU movie, their most acclaimed, their most serious, their first attempt to make a grown up film and to see it get destroyed by DOFP just after 4 weeks? how did that feel?
Was it like 2008 again when TDK destroyed Iron Man 1 or not as bad or worse? since this time, this was MCU chance to loose the kids appeal and they were lacking to another film that never took in the kids appeal, which gave it a better advantage.
So what was it like MCU fans for your best film to loose against what people might call the 3rd best x-film after Logan and X2.
But you have had worse years of embrassment. 2008, 2017 with Logan and TDK surely this was not as bad in 2014.
That's your opinion that Winter Soldier got destroyed but in my opinion DOFP while still very good wasn't as good as Winter Soldier. Now you can use any thread you made to prove Winter Soldier is inferior or just save my post of as a non level headed MCU fan. Apparently a level headed MCU fan for you is one that will admit that you're idiotic ramblings are right. I can't really say what it was like to loose because I don't think Winter Soldier lost and why would I feel bad over one CBM being better than the other? I just want good movies no matter what studio makes them. Now of course I'm going to side with the studio with consistently good and in my opinion better movies. |
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Post by President Ackbar™ on Aug 7, 2018 18:54:17 GMT
To this day, I still get a chuckle out of IM's two month reign as "Best Superhero Movie Evah !!!!!"
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Post by Vassaggo on Aug 7, 2018 19:15:41 GMT
Jesus Christ. I hate call out, troll and troll like threads. Can't you like DOFP, X2, and XMU as a whole without calling out MCU Fandom? Is your love of the XMU so dependent on comparing it to MCU that you can't express the love of one without expressing hate for the other?
Look we all get it you like XMU. You think DOFP and X2 is better than all of MCU.
We use objective and subjective metrics for our opinions, but in the end they are opinions.
I know people who would rate all superhero movies a 1 out of 10 INCLUDING Dark Knight, DOFP, Spiderman, and Winter Soldier. They feel the genre and the movies are devoid of any artistic merit. In their opinion all failed to be film or art.
We all deal with our own subjective (again SUBJECTIVE) opinions on what are the best movies. Your opinion is no more valid than those people who think that all superhero movies are devoid.
Calling out fans of another fandom and claiming that one movie destroyed another (and even more asking it how did it feel) is at best foolish at worst trollish.
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Post by Vassaggo on Aug 7, 2018 19:18:23 GMT
I will say the same for MCU fans that call out XMU, DC, and DCEU fans. It's one thing to like one over the other. It's one thing to hate another universe, movies, comics, tv shows etc. Why must we attack the people of the other fandom?
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Post by bud47 on Aug 7, 2018 19:40:06 GMT
Jesus Christ. I hate call out, troll and troll like threads. Can't you like DOFP, X2, and XMU as a whole without calling out MCU Fandom? Is your love of the XMU so dependent on comparing it to MCU that you can't express the love of one without expressing hate for the other? Look we all get it you like XMU. You think DOFP and X2 is better than all of MCU. We use objective and subjective metrics for our opinions, but in the end they are opinions. I know people who would rate all superhero movies a 1 out of 10 INCLUDING Dark Knight, DOFP, Spiderman, and Winter Soldier. They feel the genre and the movies are devoid of any artistic merit. In their opinion all failed to be film or art. We all deal with our own subjective (again SUBJECTIVE) opinions on what are the best movies. Your opinion is no more valid than those people who think that all superhero movies are devoid. Calling out fans of another fandom and claiming that one movie destroyed another (and even more asking it how did it feel) is at best foolish at worst trollish. You're not going to be able to reason with people like summer8. He's fanatical extremist who doesn't seem to understand the concept of opinions and personal preferences. It's either his way or not at all. And this is just about comic book films. Imagine what he's like in other aspects of his life. Yeesh! This is obviously a very personal loss for him and he's having a hard time dealing with the fact that the X-Men have entered a new phase. He should be comforted though that he still has the old movies to watch and re-watch. Either way, he should probably talk to a mental health professional. |
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Post by summers8 on Aug 7, 2018 19:41:03 GMT
To this day, I still get a chuckle out of IM's two month reign as "Best Superhero Movie Evah !!!!!" two months reign? Lol it never was. I am still amazed how thin plotted iron man 1 was. so basic and predictable as a movie. Winter Solider is better than iron man 1. Even if you had an IQ of 10, you have to have seen Obadiah coming from afar. URGH DAVID FINCH IS SO RIGHT. MCU MOVIES ARE JUST POORLY WRITTEN.
the crown was held by X2 or Spiderman 2004 before it went to TDK.
Spiderman 2 for great story telling and action and character study of what it is like to be Peter and Spidey. Poor Homecoming.
X2 for been a compelling political themed drama movie. This was the best drama comic film before TDK.
IRON MAN was just ...fun. ...too bad its just fun for mcu after 20 movies.
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Post by Lord Death Man on Aug 7, 2018 19:47:27 GMT
To this day, I still get a chuckle out of IM's two month reign as "Best Superhero Movie Evah !!!!!" two months reign? Lol it never was. I am still amazed how thin plotted iron man 1 was. so basic and predictable as a movie. Winter Solider is better than iron man 1. Even if you had an IQ of 10, you have to have seen Obadiah coming from afar. URGH DAVID FINCH IS SO RIGHT. MCU MOVIES ARE JUST POORLY WRITTEN.
the crown was held by X2 or Spiderman 2004 before it went to TDK.
Spiderman 2 for great story telling and action and character study of what it is like to be Peter and Spidey. Poor Homecoming.
X2 for been a compelling political themed drama movie. This was the best drama comic film before TDK.
IRON MAN was just ...fun. ...tio bad its just fun for mcu after 20 movies.
The MCU has been around for 20 years? |
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Post by President Ackbar™ on Aug 7, 2018 19:49:00 GMT
To this day, I still get a chuckle out of IM's two month reign as "Best Superhero Movie Evah !!!!!" two months reign? Lol it never was. Oh I agree, I just remember everyone saying it at the time. |
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Post by President Ackbar™ on Aug 7, 2018 19:49:34 GMT
two months reign? Lol it never was. I am still amazed how thin plotted iron man 1 was. so basic and predictable as a movie. Winter Solider is better than iron man 1. Even if you had an IQ of 10, you have to have seen Obadiah coming from afar. URGH DAVID FINCH IS SO RIGHT. MCU MOVIES ARE JUST POORLY WRITTEN.
the crown was held by X2 or Spiderman 2004 before it went to TDK.
Spiderman 2 for great story telling and action and character study of what it is like to be Peter and Spidey. Poor Homecoming.
X2 for been a compelling political themed drama movie. This was the best drama comic film before TDK.
IRON MAN was just ...fun. ...tio bad its just fun for mcu after 20 movies.
The MCU has been around for 20 years? It will, after they get done time travelling! |
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Post by summers8 on Aug 7, 2018 19:50:37 GMT
Jesus Christ. I hate call out, troll and troll like threads. Can't you like DOFP, X2, and XMU as a whole without calling out MCU Fandom? Is your love of the XMU so dependent on comparing it to MCU that you can't express the love of one without expressing hate for the other? Look we all get it you like XMU. You think DOFP and X2 is better than all of MCU. We use objective and subjective metrics for our opinions, but in the end they are opinions. I know people who would rate all superhero movies a 1 out of 10 INCLUDING Dark Knight, DOFP, Spiderman, and Winter Soldier. They feel the genre and the movies are devoid of any artistic merit. In their opinion all failed to be film or art. We all deal with our own subjective (again SUBJECTIVE) opinions on what are the best movies. Your opinion is no more valid than those people who think that all superhero movies are devoid. Calling out fans of another fandom and claiming that one movie destroyed another (and even more asking it how did it feel) is at best foolish at worst trollish. You're not going to be able to reason with people like summer8. He's fanatical extremist who doesn't seem to understand the concept of opinions and personal preferences. It's either his way or not at all. And this is just about comic book films. Imagine what he's like in other aspects of his life. Yeesh! This is obviously a very personal loss for him and he's having a hard time dealing with the fact that the X-Men have entered a new phase. He should be comforted though that he still has the old movies to watch and re-watch. Either way, he should probably talk to a mental health professional. So xmen enters a new phase...does that mean xmen keeps the TDK serious grown up Marvel movies that gives the genre credibility? do we get another Logan/DOFP or is xmen now GOTG dance off? I was told entering a new phase means you grow older not get childish. the phase of the mcu formula that is dying out
I find it strange that you cant answer simple questions. So what was it like in 2014 to see TWS outclassed by DOFP?
mental health professional...I am not the one with the multiple account with different users.lol Don't make it about me, make it about MCU bad movies.
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Post by Vassaggo on Aug 7, 2018 19:50:42 GMT
To this day, I still get a chuckle out of IM's two month reign as "Best Superhero Movie Evah !!!!!" two months reign? Lol it never was. I am still amazed how thin plotted iron man 1 was. so basic and predictable as a movie. Winter Solider is better than iron man 1. Even if you had an IQ of 10, you have to have seen Obadiah coming from afar. URGH DAVID FINCH IS SO RIGHT. MCU MOVIES ARE JUST POORLY WRITTEN.
the crown was held by X2 or Spiderman 2004 before it went to TDK.
Spiderman 2 for great story telling and action and character study of what it is like to be Peter and Spidey. Poor Homecoming.
X2 for been a compelling political themed drama movie. This was the best drama comic film before TDK.
IRON MAN was just ...fun. ...too bad its just fun for mcu after 20 movies.
Opinion with call to authority fallacy Opinion Opinion Opinion Opinion An improvement over the beginning of the thread no trying to flame the fans of MCU specifically. |
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Post by Lord Death Man on Aug 7, 2018 19:52:15 GMT
two months reign? Lol it never was. Oh I agree, I just remember everyone saying it at the time. Ah, I hadn't factored that in. What with summers8 having been to the future and all, it makes perfect sense. He's "gotta get back in time". |
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Post by Vassaggo on Aug 7, 2018 19:59:26 GMT
Jesus Christ. I hate call out, troll and troll like threads. Can't you like DOFP, X2, and XMU as a whole without calling out MCU Fandom? Is your love of the XMU so dependent on comparing it to MCU that you can't express the love of one without expressing hate for the other? Look we all get it you like XMU. You think DOFP and X2 is better than all of MCU. We use objective and subjective metrics for our opinions, but in the end they are opinions. I know people who would rate all superhero movies a 1 out of 10 INCLUDING Dark Knight, DOFP, Spiderman, and Winter Soldier. They feel the genre and the movies are devoid of any artistic merit. In their opinion all failed to be film or art. We all deal with our own subjective (again SUBJECTIVE) opinions on what are the best movies. Your opinion is no more valid than those people who think that all superhero movies are devoid. Calling out fans of another fandom and claiming that one movie destroyed another (and even more asking it how did it feel) is at best foolish at worst trollish. You're not going to be able to reason with people like summer8. He's fanatical extremist who doesn't seem to understand the concept of opinions and personal preferences. It's either his way or not at all. And this is just about comic book films. Imagine what he's like in other aspects of his life. Yeesh! This is obviously a very personal loss for him and he's having a hard time dealing with the fact that the X-Men have entered a new phase. He should be comforted though that he still has the old movies to watch and re-watch. Either way, he should probably talk to a mental health professional.Calling him out personally is not needed. As I said before calling out the fans is not needed. No need to sink to that tactic. |
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Post by Vassaggo on Aug 7, 2018 20:00:50 GMT
You're not going to be able to reason with people like summer8. He's fanatical extremist who doesn't seem to understand the concept of opinions and personal preferences. It's either his way or not at all. And this is just about comic book films. Imagine what he's like in other aspects of his life. Yeesh! This is obviously a very personal loss for him and he's having a hard time dealing with the fact that the X-Men have entered a new phase. He should be comforted though that he still has the old movies to watch and re-watch. Either way, he should probably talk to a mental health professional. So xmen enters a new phase...does that mean xmen keeps the TDK serious grown up Marvel movies that gives the genre credibility? do we get another Logan/DOFP or is xmen now GOTG dance off? I was told entering a new phase means you grow older not get childish. the phase of the mcu formula that is dying out
I find it strange that you cant answer simple question. So what was it like in 2014 to see TWS outclassed by DOFP?
mental health professional...I am not the one with the multiple account with different users.lol Don't make it about me, make it about MCU bad movies.
Good you see the tactic is not needed. So I assume we won't see you attacking MCU fans specifically or generally from now on? |
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Post by summers8 on Aug 7, 2018 20:03:11 GMT
two months reign? Lol it never was. I am still amazed how thin plotted iron man 1 was. so basic and predictable as a movie. Winter Solider is better than iron man 1. Even if you had an IQ of 10, you have to have seen Obadiah coming from afar. URGH DAVID FINCH IS SO RIGHT. MCU MOVIES ARE JUST POORLY WRITTEN.
the crown was held by X2 or Spiderman 2004 before it went to TDK.
Spiderman 2 for great story telling and action and character study of what it is like to be Peter and Spidey. Poor Homecoming.
X2 for been a compelling political themed drama movie. This was the best drama comic film before TDK.
IRON MAN was just ...fun. ...too bad its just fun for mcu after 20 movies.
Opinion with call to authority fallacy Opinion Opinion Opinion Opinion An improvement over the beginning of the thread no trying to flame the fans of MCU specifically. Truthful and fair collective opinions becomes more in line with the truth. in the history of films and film making, we always know a film with the most compelling story, better characterization and better technicality ends up been the better film. DOFP factually has that over TWS, those were the opinions. Iron Man 1 been basic makes it the weakest of the bunch. that is how we judge good movies. I think this is the reason mcu movies pisses off meany film directors, actors and screen writers. they are not challenging enough. they are cgi dumb as admitted by the makers of Infinity War.
Listen to David Finch explain it better than me that pissed of you mcu fans in denial. he lays it out why MCU movies are poorly written, he even explain why their poor story mode and cgi use is a mess.
This is film making fact. not random fanboy opinions that don't even understand cinematography.
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Post by summers8 on Aug 7, 2018 20:09:34 GMT
So I say this quote often but I never really asked the question. question for mcu fans especially the sane level headed fans. what was it like in 2014 to see Winter Solider outclassed by DOFP?
Winter Solider was and still is called the best MCU movie, their most acclaimed, their most serious, their first attempt to make a grown up film and to see it get destroyed by DOFP just after 4 weeks? how did that feel?
Was it like 2008 again when TDK destroyed Iron Man 1 or not as bad or worse? since this time, this was MCU chance to loose the kids appeal and they were lacking to another film that never took in the kids appeal, which gave it a better advantage.
So what was it like MCU fans for your best film to loose against what people might call the 3rd best x-film after Logan and X2.
But you have had worse years of embrassment. 2008, 2017 with Logan and TDK surely this was not as bad in 2014. This thread is not very sportsman-like or as good-natured as its opening two sentences would lead one to believe. You continue to foster enmity between two fandoms that are now functionally one. You infer that some MCU fans are insane and not level-headed. Under those circumstances, is it wise to present them with a bait thread designed to incense and present an adversarial situation? Surely you realize that this can only lead to unrest? I know that the management here favors your tactics and condones your actions as you represent the height of critical thinking and analytical skill this board can bring to bear on any topic related to the MCU (grammar notwithstanding). Let me be the first to embrace you as a brother in the NEW fandom. Now that the curtain call has been issued for the XMU, I hope that you can all respectfully take your bows after New Mutants and join our new consolidated family. This message sponsored by the LDM coalition for Peaceful Fandom Coexistence.I already have, remember my past thread that I was fine with disney buying fox. I am on pension now. the best part of a pension, see your hard work pay off. I am about to see mcu xmen crash harder than batman and robin. what could make me more happy. LOL.
Does not mean I can not enjoy the real xmen movies we had, I am right now. to see how a real xmen movie destroyed the best mcu movie. this is fun.
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Post by Vassaggo on Aug 7, 2018 20:12:36 GMT
Opinion with call to authority fallacy Opinion Opinion Opinion Opinion An improvement over the beginning of the thread no trying to flame the fans of MCU specifically. Truthful and fair collective opinions becomes more in line with the truth. in the history of films and film making, we always know a film with the most compelling story, better characterization and better technicality ends up been the better film. DOFP factually has that over TWS, those were the opinions. Iron Man 1 been basic makes it the weakest of the bunch. that is how we judge good movies. I think this is the reason mcu movies pisses off meany film directors, actors and screen writers. they are not challenging enough. they are cgi dumb as admitted by the makers of Infinity War.
Listen to David Finch explain it better than me that pissed of you mcu fans in denial. he lays it out why MCU movies are poorly written, he even explain why their poor story mode and cgi use that is a mess.
This is film making fact. not random fanboy opinions.
A Call to Authority Fallacy is all that is. In the end it's just Finch's Opinion. I can do it too. Kevin Smith calls Ironman a "Perfect Film" There is no such thing as a truthful opinion when it comes to art. OPINIONS ARE SUBJECTIVE. Even if the overall opinion of one movie is better than another like you said "collective opinions becomes more in line with the truth" you are just using argumentum ad populum fallacy. Many people's opinion says this is true so therefore it's true. |
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