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Post by Pep Streebeck on Aug 10, 2018 12:38:06 GMT
What if the man who shot the father was also a father? Would it say "Father who shot a father..."?
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Post by kuatorises on Aug 10, 2018 14:23:58 GMT
I am not a fan of this particular law, but I have a hard time feeling bad for the guy who got shot; and yes I am hesitant to climb a victim. I mean, come on. He walks up to a complete and total stranger and knocks him down to the ground, how did he expect the guy to react? The guy defended himself. It's not like the two were arguing and the shooter just pulled out a gun.
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Post by deembastille on Aug 10, 2018 15:01:36 GMT
kuatorises. I'm surprised SHE wasn't shot first. She parked in the handicapped spot and the gun owner went to school her on the subject. All she had to do was move the car. No reason to even get out and confront him. It kinda looks like the couple were trash anyway. One parks in the handicapped spot, gets out and confronts the SJW who is rightfully telling her off. Out comes husband/boyfriend (jury is still out on this) WITH a kid in tow and instead of asking what the problem was, he assaults the gun owner. Since the GO was knocked to the ground the gun might have been triggered and that could have been dangerous. Girl + 'victim'= match made in heaven.
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Post by kuatorises on Aug 10, 2018 15:20:53 GMT
kuatorises . I'm surprised SHE wasn't shot first. She parked in the handicapped spot and the gun owner went to school her on the subject. All she had to do was move the car. No reason to even get out and confront him. It kinda looks like the couple were trash anyway. One parks in the handicapped spot, gets out and confronts the SJW who is rightfully telling her off. Out comes husband/boyfriend (jury is still out on this) WITH a kid in tow and instead of asking what the problem was, he assaults the gun owner. Since the GO was knocked to the ground the gun might have been triggered and that could have been dangerous. Girl + 'victim'= match made in heaven. And if that were the case, I think all of us would agree that it would clearly be wrong. If you're implying that the shooter is the type who is a little too eager to resort to that, I would definitely agree, however in this particular instance he was indeed assaulted. It's not like he shot the girl in the car just arguing with her. I agree that the woman and her boyfriend created the situation. Unfortunately for them, he reacted with a lot more force than them.
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Post by deembastille on Aug 10, 2018 17:10:24 GMT
kuatorises . I'm surprised SHE wasn't shot first. She parked in the handicapped spot and the gun owner went to school her on the subject. All she had to do was move the car. No reason to even get out and confront him. It kinda looks like the couple were trash anyway. One parks in the handicapped spot, gets out and confronts the SJW who is rightfully telling her off. Out comes husband/boyfriend (jury is still out on this) WITH a kid in tow and instead of asking what the problem was, he assaults the gun owner. Since the GO was knocked to the ground the gun might have been triggered and that could have been dangerous. Girl + 'victim'= match made in heaven. And if that were the case, I think all of us would agree that it would clearly be wrong. If you're implying that the shooter is the type who is a little too eager to resort to that, I would definitely agree, however in this particular instance he was indeed assaulted. It's not like he shot the girl in the car just arguing with her. I agree that the woman and her boyfriend created the situation. Unfortunately for them, he reacted with a lot more force than them. Of course the GO was assaulted. No matter what he COULD have just shot the woman in the car but he didn't. He just schooled her on how inconsiderate she was being. All she had to do was move the car. No reason to get out because she was butthurt (cause she was called out in being wrong). Get over yourself. Now her boyfriend/husband is dead and his son witnessed it (along with bullying) first hand. The kid already has a GREAT start in life.
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Post by mslo79 on Aug 11, 2018 6:41:50 GMT
theshape25Agreed. but assuming the guy with the gun did not step way out of line (with threats etc), then it seems the hard shove might have been a little too much even though it's a reaction many people would do I suspect in a similar situation. but if the guy with the gun was threatening her and just being really aggressive, especially if it was nothing THAT serious, then it would be that much harder to blame the guy who shoved him(the guy with the gun) hard.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2018 11:22:57 GMT
What if the man who shot the father was also a father? Would it say "Father who shot a father..."? The point is, the man clearly had his son with him and then backed away once he saw the gun. To me, the moment he backed away with his hands up it isn't justified anymore. A man beating you and chasing you, then you pull a gun out and he keeps charging you, then maybe I can see a case.
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Post by deembastille on Aug 11, 2018 13:20:04 GMT
theshape25Agreed. but assuming the guy with the gun did not step way out of line (with threats etc), then it seems the hard shove might have been a little too much even though it's a reaction many people would do I suspect in a similar situation. but if the guy with the gun was threatening her and just being really aggressive, especially if it was nothing THAT serious, then it would be that much harder to blame the guy who shoved him(the guy with the gun) hard. She was wrong for parking in a handicapped spot and was trash for getting out of the car to argue with him when he confronted her.
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Post by Aj_June on Aug 11, 2018 13:22:29 GMT
Yeah, that's the part that got me in the gut man. Seeing that kid panicking, trying to get his dad into the door of the store. Probably scared, and didn't know what to do.
Then that a**hole pansy who pulled the gun out gets away with this.
Scary realization: there are quite a few a**hole pansies out there who'll see the idiot's actions as 'heroic'. That's one reason these insane 'stand your ground' laws get passed--they have too many supporters in this effed up nation of ours. Records show road rage, gun threats in stand your ground shooter’s past
We live in a not so beautiful world, Amy.
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Post by deembastille on Aug 11, 2018 13:24:01 GMT
What if the man who shot the father was also a father? Would it say "Father who shot a father..."? The point is, the man clearly had his son with him and then backed away once he saw the gun. To me, the moment he backed away with his hands up it isn't justified anymore. A man beating you and chasing you, then you pull a gun out and he keeps charging you, then maybe I can see a case. He comes up out of nowhere and pushes GO to the ground. What happened I'd his gun was triggered by the fall? He married/was dating a classless sow and didn't think of what either behavior was teaching his kid. They were trash and the GO took the trash out.
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Post by Aj_June on Aug 11, 2018 13:45:07 GMT
Yeah, that's the part that got me in the gut man. Seeing that kid panicking, trying to get his dad into the door of the store. Probably scared, and didn't know what to do.
Then that a**hole pansy who pulled the gun out gets away with this.
Scary realization: there are quite a few a**hole pansies out there who'll see the idiot's actions as 'heroic'. That's one reason these insane 'stand your ground' laws get passed--they have too many supporters in this effed up nation of ours. And apart from the fact that shooter is a person who often scares people with guns, there are also people who want to further bolster such laws.
So what we have here is that a person carries his gun all the time. Tries to often get into arguments with others. Scares people with his gun. Ultimately shoots a guy who was already backing away from him. Seems he had to shoot someday. For this reason or that. Apparently self defence means murdering another person already getting away from you.
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Post by rachelcarson1953 on Aug 11, 2018 14:35:32 GMT
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Post by amyghost on Aug 13, 2018 3:58:42 GMT
Scary realization: there are quite a few a**hole pansies out there who'll see the idiot's actions as 'heroic'. That's one reason these insane 'stand your ground' laws get passed--they have too many supporters in this effed up nation of ours. And apart from the fact that shooter is a person who often scares people with guns, there are also people who want to further bolster such laws.
So what we have here is that a person carries his gun all the time. Tries to often get into arguments with others. Scares people with his gun. Ultimately shoots a guy who was already backing away from him. Seems he had to shoot someday. For this reason or that. Apparently self defence means murdering another person already getting away from you.
My position remains this: Anyone who wants to carry a gun 24/7, mostly in everyday situations that don't require doing so, is already sufficiently questionable in their mental equilibrium to a degree that should suggest they ought not to be allowed to be carrying a gun 24/7. Many won't agree with that. Of the ones I've had exchanges with, both on the internet and in real life, none have presented any sort of argument thus far that would cause me to revise my opinion about this.
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Post by ant-mac on Aug 13, 2018 4:46:14 GMT
And apart from the fact that shooter is a person who often scares people with guns, there are also people who want to further bolster such laws.
So what we have here is that a person carries his gun all the time. Tries to often get into arguments with others. Scares people with his gun. Ultimately shoots a guy who was already backing away from him. Seems he had to shoot someday. For this reason or that. Apparently self defence means murdering another person already getting away from you.
My position remains this: Anyone who wants to carry a gun 24/7, mostly in everyday situations that don't require doing so, is already sufficiently questionable in their mental equilibrium to a degree that should suggest they ought not to be allowed to be carrying a gun 24/7. Many won't agree with that. Of the ones I've had exchanges with, both on the internet and in real life, none have presented any sort of argument thus far that would cause me to revise my opinion about this. For me, the same also applies to anyone with an excessively large working collection of contemporary and modern firearms.
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Post by deembastille on Aug 13, 2018 22:21:43 GMT
I don't know what the shit you are talking about 'not arrested'. he is now charged with manslaughter and being held on 100 grand bail. stand your ground manslaughter
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Post by BATouttaheck on Aug 13, 2018 22:50:43 GMT
He married/was dating a classless sow and didn't think of what either behavior was teaching his kid. They were trash and the GO took the trash out. Do they honestly let you come within 25 feet of children ? You become more frightening daily.
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Post by amyghost on Aug 14, 2018 18:18:50 GMT
My position remains this: Anyone who wants to carry a gun 24/7, mostly in everyday situations that don't require doing so, is already sufficiently questionable in their mental equilibrium to a degree that should suggest they ought not to be allowed to be carrying a gun 24/7. Many won't agree with that. Of the ones I've had exchanges with, both on the internet and in real life, none have presented any sort of argument thus far that would cause me to revise my opinion about this. For me, the same also applies to anyone with an excessively large working collection of contemporary and modern firearms. Agreed. I think there's legitimate 'collector's interest', but many legitimate collectors disable their cache of arms. And I think there's a reasonable boundary line to be drawn between 'collection' and 'private arsenal'.
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Post by theshape25 on Aug 14, 2018 18:41:14 GMT
Sounds like he confronted someone else about the same spot before as well as threatened to shoot him over it. Dude sounds like he was just waiting for an excuse to do it. Other incidents
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Post by moviemouth on Aug 14, 2018 18:52:51 GMT
So the man really thought his life was in danger? NONSENSE!!!
This law is ridiculous. It seems to pretty much mean anytime someone is pushed they have the right to kill the other person.
The fact that the shooter seemed to get away with this crap, makes me loose even more faith in the justice system.
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