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Post by Hauntedknight87 on Aug 9, 2018 19:33:10 GMT
So last night I rewatched Man of Steel and it got me to wanna talk about it.
I've really enjoyed the movie and it still holds my 10/10 rating.
However there is something that did bug me about the film and for whatever reason I couldn't figured it out until now. And what bug me about the film was something that I never realized until now: Superman is the true Villain of the movie.
Now I know what you're thinking, "Hauntedknight! How could you be such a silly boy! Superman is the good guy! You need to stop drinking!"
Now that last part may be true, but hear me out.
Now you're probably wondering if I think Superman is a bad guy, then who's the good guy? Well it's simple really. It's General Zod.
"Troll! Troll! Troll!" Is what you're probably screaming right now. I'm not a troll! My name isn't Hobowar or DCFan.
I'll gladly explain my position!
You see General Zod whole motivation is to save the Kryptonian race. He serves and loves his people. Is his method a little genocidal? Sure, but it's for a noble cause and to be honest humanity is pretty much garbage and we deserved extinction.
All Zod wanted to do is colonized the Earth for the Kryptonian race. All which should have been easy. And that's where the true Villain steps in.
It's bad enough that Clark stole clothes from people and destroyed property and possibly even cost someone their lively hood. But did you know he also committed genocide?
Yes the so called "good guy" not only destroyed the world generator but he also aborted thousands of unborn Kryptonian babies. Yes Superman is a FUCKING Baby Killer!
It's bad enough that he chooses to betrayed his own species, but he even commits unethical abortions.
Meanwhile Zod is trying his best to save his people and even tried to convince Kal-El to join him. But Kal-El is an evil selfish man.
Zod ends up losing everything and does what anyone else would have done in his position, he snaps and takes it out o. Humanity until Kal-El murdered him in cold blood.
Superman is labeled a hero, but really he's a genocidal monster and human supremacists!
And that's why General Zod is the real true hero of Man of Steel.
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Post by summers8 on Aug 9, 2018 19:44:30 GMT
I think it was the best comic film of 2013
1. Man of Steel
2. Wolverine
3. Thor 2
4. Iron Man 3
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Post by hobowar on Aug 9, 2018 19:46:00 GMT
It still holds a 10/10 rating after you realised all that? are you some kind of idiot?
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Post by hobowar on Aug 9, 2018 19:54:14 GMT
I think it was the best comic film of 2013 1. Man of Steel 2. Wolverine 3. Thor 2 4. Iron Man 3 1. Iron Man 3 2. Wolverine (One of the few FoX-Men movies that doesn't suck asshole juice) 3. Thor: The Dark World 4. Dogshit 5. Man of Steel (HauntedJeffGoldbum perfectly explained why this is so incredibly awful, a masterclass in how not to make a superhero movie. Zack Snyder and David Goyer should have gone to prison for this.) |
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Post by Hauntedknight87 on Aug 9, 2018 20:17:26 GMT
It still holds a 10/10 rating after you realised all that? are you some kind of idiot? Language! |
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Aug 9, 2018 20:20:46 GMT
ok, you are too intelligent to mean that seriously, and some parts are so absurd that they are actually funny (morally condemning stealing clothes, but agreeing on total human genocide bc humanity deserves to be wiped out from its own planet is remarkable even on this pro child rape forum).
But you speak to one of the strength - not a weakness - of the MoS narrative, which makes it superior to Superman II Zod and most other traditional CBMs: That it had a genocidal villain whose motivation is understandable and relatable (from a certain point of view). And for Supes this posed the ultimate dilemma: is he Kar-El a Kryptonian following his genetic heritage or is he culturally Clark a human and traitor to his forefathers? As much as he is caught between the philosophies of his human and Kryptonian fathers.
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Post by hobowar on Aug 9, 2018 20:20:48 GMT
It still holds a 10/10 rating after you realised all that? are you some kind of idiot? Language! Ok, sorry i might have gotten a bit carried away, there, but you literally just described my biggest problems with that movie. Also was there any reason why Zod and his boys couldn't just go to mars or something? |
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Post by Hauntedknight87 on Aug 9, 2018 20:44:27 GMT
ok, you are too intelligent to mean that seriously, and some parts are so absurd that they are actually funny (morally condemning stealing clothes, but agreeing on total human genocide bc humanity deserves to be wiped out from its own planet is remarkable even on this pro child rape forum). But you speak to one of the strength - not a weakness - of the MoS narrative, which makes it superior to Superman II Zod and most other traditional CBMs: That it had a genocidal villain whose motivation is understandable and relatable (from a certain point of view). And for Supes this posed the ultimate dilemma: is he Kar-El a Kryptonian following his genetic heritage or is he culturally Clark a human and traitor to his forefathers? As much as he is caught between the philosophies of his human and Kryptonian fathers. Man of Steel made me woke. Seeing the tragedy through zod's eyes made me understand how much of a victim and a tragic character he really is and when he broke down holding the ashes of his destroyed race was heart wrenching. Nolan genius clearly influenced Snyder with this film. |
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Post by Hauntedknight87 on Aug 9, 2018 20:46:00 GMT
Ok, sorry i might have gotten a bit carried away, there, but you literally just described my biggest problems with that movie. Also was there any reason why Zod and his boys couldn't just go to mars or something? Because Kal-El was on earth. Also there's no oxygen on Mars. |
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Post by hobowar on Aug 9, 2018 20:52:29 GMT
Ok, sorry i might have gotten a bit carried away, there, but you literally just described my biggest problems with that movie. Also was there any reason why Zod and his boys couldn't just go to mars or something? Because Kal-El was on earth. Also there's no oxygen on Mars. Yeah, but could they not try to make deal with Kal instead of crapping on his lawn? And when I said Mars, I basically meant other planets capable of sustaining Kryptonian life. Plus they had terrorforming equipment, would that not sort out oxygen problem? |
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Aug 9, 2018 20:57:45 GMT
Ok, sorry i might have gotten a bit carried away, there, but you literally just described my biggest problems with that movie. Also was there any reason why Zod and his boys couldn't just go to mars or something? Because Kal-El was on earth. Also there's no oxygen on Mars. also Mars only has a third of Earth's gravity, and it essentially a giant dust freezer, and has no magnetic shield and is geologically dead. Short, Mars sucks. Only Venus is worse. |
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Post by hobowar on Aug 9, 2018 21:03:24 GMT
Because Kal-El was on earth. Also there's no oxygen on Mars. also Mars only has a third of Earth's gravity, and it essentially a giant dust freezer, and has no magnetic shield and is geologically dead. Short, Mars sucks. Only Venus is worse. Couldn't their terrorforming devices sort of the gravity problem? If Matt Damon could survive there, surely Kryptonians could. |
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Post by Nalkarj on Aug 9, 2018 21:08:36 GMT
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Aug 9, 2018 22:05:29 GMT
also Mars only has a third of Earth's gravity, and it essentially a giant dust freezer, and has no magnetic shield and is geologically dead. Short, Mars sucks. Only Venus is worse. Couldn't their terrorforming devices sort of the gravity problem? If Matt Damon could survive there, surely Kryptonians could. Jesus, that avatar makes you even more annoying, gives off a weirdraptor vibe. You don't want that, that was a bad brony man. That aside, gravity will be increased by adding to the mass of the planetary body (gravity is the bending of the fabric of spacetime through mass). They would have to make Mars at least twice as massy/big, which is practically impossible. You can survive low gravity, but in the long run your muscles will disappear, your bones extend and your metabolism changes in an unpretty ways (you don't digest and shit). Apart from that it just sucks when you are biologically built to walk, not to float. Also terraforming is pretty useless: as soon as you have created some atmosphere on Mars (provided gravity keeps it to the planet), the Sun's radiation will shoot it out bit for bit, thanks to the lack of a protective magnetic shield (because Mars core-dynamo is dead since approx 4 billion years). So, Mars sucks Kyrpton balls. You would not like it there. |
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Post by Hauntedknight87 on Aug 10, 2018 10:43:45 GMT
Because Kal-El was on earth. Also there's no oxygen on Mars. Yeah, but could they not try to make deal with Kal instead of crapping on his lawn? And when I said Mars, I basically meant other planets capable of sustaining Kryptonian life. Plus they had terrorforming equipment, would that not sort out oxygen problem? They're already on Earth. Why not build the new Krypton on it? New Asgard is almost guarantee to be built on Earth after Avengers 4. |
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Post by hobowar on Aug 10, 2018 10:58:52 GMT
Yeah, but could they not try to make deal with Kal instead of crapping on his lawn? And when I said Mars, I basically meant other planets capable of sustaining Kryptonian life. Plus they had terrorforming equipment, would that not sort out oxygen problem? They're already on Earth. Why not build the new Krypton on it? New Asgard is almost guarantee to be built on Earth after Avengers 4. True, but you're going to piss off Superman if you do that. We know Zod and his men have terrorforming equipment and the resources to travel great distances so there must have been somewhere else they could go? And about new Asgard, it might end up on earth but doubt Thor's going to let anything bad happen to the people of earth like Zod was. |
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Post by Nalkarj on Aug 10, 2018 11:00:35 GMT
Hauntedknight87! How could you be such a silly boy! Superman is the good guy! You need to stop drinking!
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Post by thisguy4000 on Aug 10, 2018 18:46:38 GMT
Superman didn’t commit genocide. That’s ridiculous.
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Post by Hauntedknight87 on Aug 11, 2018 12:06:25 GMT
Superman didn’t commit genocide. That’s ridiculous. Yes he did. He helped bring the extinction of the Kryptonian race, all because he was selfish in his crusade against Zod. |
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Post by hobowar on Aug 11, 2018 12:50:11 GMT
Superman didn’t commit genocide. That’s ridiculous. Yes he did. He helped bring the extinction of the Kryptonian race, all because he was selfish in his crusade against Zod. Clark: What was I supposed to do? Just let them die? Johnathan Kent: Absolutely. Congratulations, Snyder. You ruined Superman. |
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