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Post by Aj_June on Aug 10, 2018 4:21:54 GMT
The word “therapeutic” has been well described in Marion's case, in the Australian Supreme Court:
A treatment is therapeutic when it is administered for the chief purpose of preventing, removing or ameliorating a cosmetic deformity, a pathological condition or a psychological disorder, provided that the treatment is appropriate for and proportionate to the purpose for which it is administered.
Non-therapeutic circumcision means circumcision for religious ritual or social reasons. Usually common among Muslims and Jews but many non-Jewish Americans also go through it. |
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Post by Aj_June on Aug 10, 2018 5:29:31 GMT
I'm circumcised myself but I see it as genital mutilation. And that's fine as a religious practice. But cosmetically for Christians and atheists? It impairs function and it's child abuse. Lol....I might not agree with you but you are so different and that's why I like you.
I have never seen another person having the kind of stand on this issue as you have. I mean people usually find it child abuse in all cases but not in selective ones.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2018 6:18:18 GMT
On the fence. I've seen so many problems from foreskins in elderly men I've cared for. At the same time, there's something to be said about letting someone make that choice for themselves when they are old enough. I've never known a circumcised guy who cared he was circumcised.
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Post by Aj_June on Aug 11, 2018 5:46:50 GMT
Lol....I might not agree with you but you are so different and that's why I like you.
I have never seen another person having the kind of stand on this issue as you have. I mean people usually find it child abuse in all cases but not in selective ones.
Well, thanks AJ. I just can't see requiring Jews to change circumcision though. It's fundamental to their religion. But I do believe the real reason for circumcision is to curb sexual promiscuity in males. An uncut penis is more sensitive than a cut one. It is interesting to note that Holland's health department Royal Dutch Medical Association (KNMG) has come down very heavily on the practise of non-therapeutic circumcision. England's NHS is not a fan of the practise either. Many other European countries find its benefits far less than costs. Do you think Jewish lobby is working strongly in America to protect and often commend the practise?
The practise has also fallen to a great degree in Europe ( well below 20% in countries that have advanced health care and well informed parents). In America it fell from 64.5 to 57.7 between 1980 to 2010. Not that great decline. Do you think non-Jeiwsh/non-Muslim American parents continue it more because they themselves are circumcised in many cases?
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Post by Raimo47 on Aug 11, 2018 21:18:33 GMT
It is child abuse and it should be criminalized.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2018 21:25:14 GMT
Whether it's a religious practice or cosmetic, it's assault. I don't see why we can ban FGM but not this.
Also, piercing the ears of a child who is too young to give informed consent is assault.
A child is not your property to do with as you wish.
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Post by moviebuffbrad on Aug 11, 2018 23:40:05 GMT
I think it's unnecessary, but I don't flip my s*** over it. I guess that puts me in category 2?
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Post by mslo79 on Aug 13, 2018 5:48:15 GMT
I know my sister is against it (her son, who's 4 years old, never had it done). it appears it's only common here in the USA mainly because that's what people have been doing for quite some time but, apparently, has negative side effects etc. but personally... I am not really too far either way because as a guy my 'junk' turned out okay and I am circumcised like I would assume most are here in the USA. but then again not having it done would be okay enough to. like I don't see things being too much of a issue either way.
p.s. for the record... I did not vote in the poll.
@marilynluvstigger I hear my sister say that 'let them make their own choice when they are old enough' but, obviously, at that point they won't have it done because it's going to suck! (i.e. too much pain). that's why I figure either do it or don't as a new born baby. Yeah, I don't care either as a guy. but it's probably because it's just the way we remembered 'it' for our whole lives. it just seems normal even though technically it's been modified. I have heard that it reduces sensitivity in that region but the thing is, even if that's true(like say decreases sexual pleasure etc), we don't really seem to care because it's what we have always known as it's not like we can test out a before and after. all-in-all... I guess I can see both sides those for and against it but then again since you said you seen so many issues with it as they age, maybe getting it done is the safer all around choice(?). |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2018 7:25:10 GMT
I am against it
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2018 11:19:40 GMT
Circumcision is child abuse, pure and simple. It should be illegal.
Thankfully it is rare in my country.
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Post by Aj_June on Aug 13, 2018 11:21:07 GMT
Circumcision is child abuse, pure and simple. It should be illegal. Thankfully it is rare in my country. Agree that is pretty rare in UK. partly because of informed parents and NHS not being keen on selling propaganda. |
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Post by Terrapin Station on Aug 13, 2018 11:23:09 GMT
I'm against it. It should be up to the individual when they're old enough to make a decision about it. (And at that point, probably not many would make that decision.)
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Post by James Bond on Aug 13, 2018 17:52:04 GMT
It's child abuse.
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