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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2018 18:19:31 GMT
It's like they hate a 'race', yet are appalled at being labeled 'racist'. I've literally had acquaintances say "I'm not racist, I just don't want no n****r dating my daughter"  |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2018 18:27:21 GMT
The same reason there's a high correlation between racism, low educational attainment, and retarded emotional development.
They're dicks.
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Post by Aj_June on Aug 16, 2018 18:28:37 GMT
It's like they hate a 'race', yet are appalled at being labeled 'racist'. I've literally had acquaintances say "I'm not racist, I just don't want no n****r dating my daughter" The world in general is so much against racism by now that even the worst of the lot can’t admit to be racist. If anyone would then they would instantly lose any credibility. For that reason even most of the worst politicians too are not able to directly say that they are racists. Racists usually display racism through their thought process and views on society and social intermingling of various communities. There are many factors underlying racism but at the moment it seems paranoia that one's own race is under extreme danger because of conspiracy by others (especially political fractions) is the leading factor driving racism. |
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Post by thefleetsin on Aug 16, 2018 18:38:29 GMT
when you're spoon fed a dialogue of christopher columbus ravaging the natives until the founding fathers took over and carried on the glorious tradition. . .
well, these things get imprinted into ridiculously ignorant segments of society and are nursed by coddling dreams of the south rising again.
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Aug 16, 2018 19:24:16 GMT
Averse, not adverse.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2018 1:50:15 GMT
To answer the OQ, because there is no such thing as a racist. It is just a word.
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Post by captainbryce on Aug 17, 2018 10:56:50 GMT
To answer the OQ, because there is no such thing as a racist. It is just a word. There’s also no such thing as a woman either. Or a Christian, or a liberal, or a German, or a scientist, or a pacifist, or a Republican. These are just “words”, and as we all know, words that are adjectives have absolutely no meaning whatsoever. |
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Post by Terrapin Station on Aug 17, 2018 11:10:06 GMT
I said that if being pro cultural appropriation makes one a racist, I'm definitely a racist.
If that counts.
It would be just like saying, "If killing a mouse makes me a murderer, then I'm definitely a murderer, and there's a good chance I'll be one again in the future."
But yeah, most people wouldn't admit that they're racists simply because of the social backlash it would cause.
I personally don't care what anyone calls me, and I'll take on the social backlash all by myself (and in my opinion kick a lot of ignorant ass). So if being in favor of cultural appropriation would make me a racist in someone's view, then that person should call me a racist.
But I'm weird. Most folks don't want to deal with that (which is why such "name calling" has any power in the first place).
Imagine for normal folks that you're gay but you live in some particularly conservative area of Afghanistan. You'd probably not loudly proclaim in public that you're gay, because of the social reaction you could face. In another context, you might loudly proclaim that you're gay, you might be the grand marshall in a gay day parade, etc. The difference isn't you, it's the social situation you find yourself in.
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Post by phludowin on Aug 17, 2018 11:23:36 GMT
I said that if being pro cultural appropriation makes one a racist, I'm definitely a racist. My opinion: People who are against cultural appropriation are more racist than people in favour of it. Because cultural appropriation leads to a melting pot, which eventually makes "races" disappear. Keeping cultures separate means caring about differences, and maintaining them. But that's just me. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2018 11:36:56 GMT
To answer the OQ, because there is no such thing as a racist. It is just a word. There’s also no such thing as a woman either. Or a Christian, or a liberal, or a German, or a scientist, or a pacifist, or a Republican. These are just “words”, and as we all know, words that are adjectives have absolutely no meaning whatsoever. I think we all know that if we asked everybody on this board what a racist is we would get a different answer from everybody. Like I said, it means nothing. The basic purpose of its use is to intimidate. |
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Post by captainbryce on Aug 17, 2018 12:47:22 GMT
There’s also no such thing as a woman either. Or a Christian, or a liberal, or a German, or a scientist, or a pacifist, or a Republican. These are just “words”, and as we all know, words that are adjectives have absolutely no meaning whatsoever. I think we all know that if we asked everybody on this board what a racist is we would get a different answer from everybody. Like I said, it means nothing. The basic purpose of its use is to intimidate. I think if we asked any intelligent person who is NOT a racist what a racist is, they would give an intelligent answer, and not try to minimize racism or normalize it by condemning the accusation. Especially if they’ve ever been on the receiving end of it. Kind of like how there is no quibbling over what the word rape means to anyone who has ever been raped before. While a rapist might try to minimize the meaning of the word rape, and claim it doesn’t mean anything, or means something other than what that person does. I also think that people who are NOT racist generally don’t make idiotic comments like yours. That’s what I think! But the great think about the English language is that we don’t have to rely on other people’s answer to assign meaning to words and concepts. Especially if they are words and concepts that have existed for centuries. We have this great thing called the dictionary! RACISM 1: A belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race 2: A doctrine or political program based on the assumption of racism and designed to execute its principles 3 : Racial prejudice or discrimination |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2018 12:55:50 GMT
I think we all know that if we asked everybody on this board what a racist is we would get a different answer from everybody. Like I said, it means nothing. The basic purpose of its use is to intimidate. I think if we asked any intelligent person who is NOT a racist what a racist is, they would give an intelligent answer, and not try to minimize racism or normalize it by condemning the accusation. Especially if they’ve ever been on the receiving end of it. Kind of like how there is no quibbling over what the word rape means to anyone who has ever been raped before. While a rapist might try to minimize the meaning of the word rape, and claim it doesn’t mean anything, or means something other than what that person does. I also think that people who are NOT racist generally don’t make idiotic comments like yours. That’s what I think! But the great think about the English language is that we don’t have to rely on other people’s answer to assign meaning to words and concepts. Especially if they are words and concepts that have existed for centuries. We have this great thing called the dictionary! RACISM 1: A belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race 2: A doctrine or political program based on the assumption of racism and designed to execute its principles 3 : Racial prejudice or discrimination In other words there are three definitions of racism, all from the same dictionary. Which begs the questions, which dictionary and how many other dictionaries would use the same three definitions? The bottom line is, you want a single concept that can categorize many different behaviors of which you disapprove. |
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Post by Terrapin Station on Aug 17, 2018 13:20:28 GMT
I think we all know that if we asked everybody on this board what a racist is we would get a different answer from everybody. Like I said, it means nothing. The basic purpose of its use is to intimidate. I think if we asked any intelligent person who is NOT a racist what a racist is, they would give an intelligent answer, and not try to minimize racism or normalize it by condemning the accusation. Especially if they’ve ever been on the receiving end of it. Kind of like how there is no quibbling over what the word rape means to anyone who has ever been raped before. While a rapist might try to minimize the meaning of the word rape, and claim it doesn’t mean anything, or means something other than what that person does. I also think that people who are NOT racist generally don’t make idiotic comments like yours. That’s what I think! But the great think about the English language is that we don’t have to rely on other people’s answer to assign meaning to words and concepts. Especially if they are words and concepts that have existed for centuries. We have this great thing called the dictionary! RACISM
1: A belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race
2: A doctrine or political program based on the assumption of racism and designed to execute its principles
3 : Racial prejudice or discriminationThe problem is that that's not actually consistent with how people use the term "racist/racism." If Donald Trump said "n****r," that doesn't amount to a belief a la (1), a doctrine or program a la (2), or racial prejudice or discrimination a la (3). Yet everyone would say that Trump saying "n****r" makes him a racist. Same with Roseanne calling someone an "ape." Same with Trump saying that Mexico is sending us lots of criminals. Same with a white guy wearing dreadlocks. Etc. People no longer use the term in a way that reflects the definition above. Assuming that people would even be capable of suggesting a definition, I agree that you'd probably get a different definition from most people. |
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Post by Terrapin Station on Aug 17, 2018 13:26:40 GMT
The same problem has been occurring with "rape" lately, by the way. "Rape" has been applied to all sorts of situations that do not amount to nonconsensual sexual penetration. The reason for this is that words like "rape," "racism," "slavery," "murder" etc. are highly emotionally-charged, and people want to capitalize on the power of that by applying them to different situations--if they can get the term accepted in that other situation, then they can use the emotional power of it to influence opinions. Thus those terms wind up getting blurred so much that people can't even begin to offer a widespread usage-fitting definition of them any longer.
One way to undermine that tactic, by the way, is by embracing the term. For example, I'll say, "Sure, I'm okay with saying that abortion is murder. In that case, I'm in favor of murder when such and such is the case." Likewise, above I said that, "Sure, I'm a racist if cultural appropriation is racism. I'm very much in favor of racism in that case." That takes away the emotional power of the term; it undermines using the term to attempt to influence opinions. The problem with my move, the problem with embracing the term, is that it doesn't undermine the tactic very well unless a LOT of people embrace the term.
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Post by captainbryce on Aug 17, 2018 14:08:20 GMT
I think if we asked any intelligent person who is NOT a racist what a racist is, they would give an intelligent answer, and not try to minimize racism or normalize it by condemning the accusation. Especially if they’ve ever been on the receiving end of it. Kind of like how there is no quibbling over what the word rape means to anyone who has ever been raped before. While a rapist might try to minimize the meaning of the word rape, and claim it doesn’t mean anything, or means something other than what that person does. I also think that people who are NOT racist generally don’t make idiotic comments like yours. That’s what I think! But the great think about the English language is that we don’t have to rely on other people’s answer to assign meaning to words and concepts. Especially if they are words and concepts that have existed for centuries. We have this great thing called the dictionary! RACISM 1: A belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race 2: A doctrine or political program based on the assumption of racism and designed to execute its principles 3 : Racial prejudice or discrimination In other words there are three definitions of racism, all from the same dictionary. Which begs the questions, which dictionary and how many other dictionaries would use the same three definitions? The bottom line is, you want a single concept that can categorize many different behaviors of which you disapprove. What I “want” is just as irrelevant as what you “want”. What’s relevant is what is understood in common parlance, or what can be determined based on context. And usually people qualify what they mean when they say racism within the scope of the conversation. If you don’t know what someone else is talking about when they say racism, and you actually CARE, then you’d seek clarity (because that is reasonable). Only if you don’t care would you dismiss their concerns out of hand because it’s something you consider too broad of a phrase to be meaningful to you. What you’re really doing here is looking for an excuse to dismiss racism. And THAT begs the question of why someone would do that in the first place! Because there’s only one reason I can think of for why people generally do that. If someone claims not to comprehend the term racism until it’s drawn out for them in crayon, the problem is with them, not the other person. |
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Post by mslo79 on Aug 25, 2018 6:18:42 GMT
I can kind of see why many prefer to stay within their own race as far as marriage etc goes. plus, I imagine depending on the area, there could be potential issues even though I would imagine in today's word it's less of a problem.
as for my own personal opinion... I would say as a general guideline it's best to stay within your own race when it comes to marriage and kids etc. but I am not flat out against marrying someone of a different race either as if it works, it works.
but with that said... there is nothing within my religion (Catholic) against marrying someone of a difference race.
p.s. one of my cousins is married to someone of Mexican descent.
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Post by Morgana on Aug 25, 2018 8:27:26 GMT
I said that if being pro cultural appropriation makes one a racist, I'm definitely a racist. My opinion: People who are against cultural appropriation are more racist than people in favour of it. Because cultural appropriation leads to a melting pot, which eventually makes "races" disappear. Keeping cultures separate means caring about differences, and maintaining them. But that's just me. I agree with you. Culture doesn't belong to one person, or one race, it is universal. I don't understand how it is generally black people that make the claim against people of other 'races', when they use or do something they see as being 'theirs'. |
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Post by Morgana on Aug 25, 2018 8:30:34 GMT
The same reason there's a high correlation between racism, low educational attainment, and retarded emotional development. They're dicks. I don't know that education has that much to do with it. My English grandmother grew up poorly educated yet she married a man from China. Her children didn't have much in the way of education either, certainly no University education. They married into Chinese, Jamaican, Black American, Irish, English, Arab, Malaysian, and I'm sure much more mixed, the further down the family tree you go, families. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2019 2:10:11 GMT
Timely bumping...
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Post by Eva Yojimbo on Jul 20, 2019 15:41:30 GMT
Here's the way I see that history has played out: We got rid of the most overt forms of racism like slavery and segregation. Then, we had many years of lessons on how the above was racist, and how that racism was evil/wrong, and everyone took it to heart. Then, we had all these people who still had the same thoughts/feelings, but no longer felt justified in thinking/believing them and, not wanting to think themselves evil/wrong, they convinced themselves that, because they weren't advocating for slavery/segregation (which, again, were the most popular ways in which racism has been portrayed), they weren't racists--so a combination of cognitive dissonance combined with some careful word filtering/parsing. This has basically lead to an entire generation--maybe more, by now--who have no clue about how racism works and exists in the modern world, and are thus utterly ignorant and blind ever time the issue comes up, and can convince themselves that nothing less than slavery and advocating for segregation (or outright stating other races are inferior) is racist.
Welcome to the wonders of fucked up human cognition.
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