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Fleet
Aug 20, 2018 7:11:14 GMT
Post by The Herald Erjen on Aug 20, 2018 7:11:14 GMT
As opposed to ripping hearts out on an industrial scale?  It wasn't on an industrial scale. It was pretty small scale, on certain days of the calendar. There is no actual evidence it was related to aztec religion either. Thought to more likely be an act cannibalism through food shortages, or as a political control mechanism. Garbage. They believed as long as they made human sacrifices the sun would shine and the crops would grow and the empire would remain strong. Real logical scientific stuff there, Jack. |
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Post by Aj_June on Aug 20, 2018 7:20:13 GMT
American/European invaders- Shamelessly wiped out an entire race of people from a continent and then make excuse that those people were not so good and so it was good to wipe them out. Since wiping the natives, the country has been indulging in all sorts of horrible wars and killing millions.
Also, human sacrifice wasn't practised on everyday basis. It's death toll was no where near what inquisition caused. The fact that an entire race of people has become nearly extinct is the biggest shame for humans in all their history.
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Aug 20, 2018 7:22:34 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2018 7:22:34 GMT
It wasn't on an industrial scale. It was pretty small scale, on certain days of the calendar. There is no actual evidence it was related to aztec religion either. Thought to more likely be an act cannibalism through food shortages, or as a political control mechanism. Garbage. They believed as long as they made human sacrifices the sun would shine and the crops would grow and the empire would remain strong. Real logical scientific stuff there, Jack. Yes scientific stuff. They knew where the sun rose and set on every day of the solar year. They understood the mechanics of the lunar/solar calendar. They were accomplished astronomers. They were also accomplished agriculturalists. Too successful in fact. Their society grew too big and fast, and it ate up their available local resources faster than it could be replenished. The same with the Mayan collapse. Too successful for their own good. Growth too big, too fast... It's been a problem the world over since the neolithic. Local environmental/ecological conditions in mesoamerica exacerbated the problem, leading to widespread cannibalism. This was most likely the reason for the ritual killings. For cannibalism, food... Necessity, not religion. I'm an archaeologist/evolutionary biologist. Where are you coming at this from? |
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Aug 20, 2018 7:32:16 GMT
Post by The Herald Erjen on Aug 20, 2018 7:32:16 GMT
Garbage. They believed as long as they made human sacrifices the sun would shine and the crops would grow and the empire would remain strong. Real logical scientific stuff there, Jack. Yes scientific stuff. They knew where the sun rose and set on every day of the solar year. They understood the mechanics of the lunar/solar calendar. They were accomplished astronomers. They were also accomplished agriculturalists. Too successful in fact. Their society grew too big and fast, and it ate up their available local resources faster than it could be replenished. The same with the Mayan collapse. Too successful for their own good. Growth too big, too fast... It's been a problem the world over since the neolithic. Local environmental/ecological conditions in mesoamerica exacerbated the problem, leading to widespread cannibalism. This was most likely the reason for the ritual killings. For cannibalism, food... Necessity, not religion. I'm an archaeologist/evolutionary biologist. Where are you coming at this from? Me? I'm just sitting here watching the wheels go round and round.  And I'm waiting for you to explain how ripping out a human heart to appease an evil bloodthirsty pagan god promotes agricultural yield.  |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2018 7:46:06 GMT
Yes scientific stuff. They knew where the sun rose and set on every day of the solar year. They understood the mechanics of the lunar/solar calendar. They were accomplished astronomers. They were also accomplished agriculturalists. Too successful in fact. Their society grew too big and fast, and it ate up their available local resources faster than it could be replenished. The same with the Mayan collapse. Too successful for their own good. Growth too big, too fast... It's been a problem the world over since the neolithic. Local environmental/ecological conditions in mesoamerica exacerbated the problem, leading to widespread cannibalism. This was most likely the reason for the ritual killings. For cannibalism, food... Necessity, not religion. I'm an archaeologist/evolutionary biologist. Where are you coming at this from? Me? I'm just sitting here watching the wheels go round and round. And I'm waiting for you to explain how ripping out a human heart to appease an evil bloodthirsty pagan god promotes agricultural yield. You have no actual knowledge or expertise on the subject, and you just sit there making stuff up. You don't actually read what other people are saying, and just keep parroting your same ill-informed opinions over and over again. |
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Post by thefleetsin on Aug 20, 2018 15:14:15 GMT
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Let him have his own board. Why not as he routinely occupies 75% to 50% of every page.
? What do you think of that idea? i think it's someone's way of politely excusing their own inabilities to be reminded of the history of an organization rife with horrendous practices. admittedly, i may go through periods of excessive posting. (periods which any creative person would not categorize as a bad thing) but more often than not i'm like any other poster here. so i think having 'my own board' kinda defeats the whole purpose of being inspired by some of the posters here. |
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Aug 20, 2018 17:27:29 GMT
Post by The Herald Erjen on Aug 20, 2018 17:27:29 GMT
It was foretold to happen, TC, and that's one of my gripes with the Catholic Church. They're interpreting the Four Horsemen all wrong. Could it be deliberate? In artwork you often see them riding side by side but in the book they ride in succession. 1) First Horseman is the age of conquest and colonization. 2) Second Horseman is the age of imperialism and wars. 3) Third Horseman is the worldwide economy. 4) Fourth Horseman is the death of the contemporary world system. There. Now you can scoff and bleat more of your New Age "wisdom" if you like, assuming anyone wants to buy it. What makes my wisdom New Age? What would you call it instead? Appy-polly-logies if I used the wrong term. |
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Post by Rodney Farber on Aug 20, 2018 18:33:37 GMT
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Let him have his own board. Why not as he routinely occupies 75% to 50% of every page.
? What do you think of that idea? As I write this, there are 4801 threads in this forum, 1454 started by by thefleetsin - 30% People rarely post comments about his posts, so I know that others must ignore him as well as I. Of his 2420 posts, 1454 are thread starters, so 60% of his posts are his poor-grammar and no-punctuation drivel. He loves to hear himself talk. In The Shining, Jack Nicholson typed pages and pages of drivel. Thank God he didn't post it in this forum. Yes, I can skip his posts, but he clutters up the main page. It would be a great benefit to me to give him his own board so that I don't have to look at all his clutter. GIVE HIM HIS OWN BOARD. GIVE HIM HIS OWN BOARD. GIVE HIM HIS OWN BOARD. GIVE HIM HIS OWN BOARD. GIVE HIM HIS OWN BOARD. GIVE HIM HIS OWN BOARD. GIVE HIM HIS OWN BOARD. GIVE HIM HIS OWN BOARD. GIVE HIM HIS OWN BOARD. GIVE HIM HIS OWN BOARD. GIVE HIM HIS OWN BOARD. GIVE HIM HIS OWN BOARD. GIVE HIM HIS OWN BOARD. GIVE HIM HIS OWN BOARD. GIVE HIM HIS OWN BOARD. GIVE HIM HIS OWN BOARD. GIVE HIM HIS OWN BOARD. |
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Post by phludowin on Aug 20, 2018 21:53:00 GMT
There was a time when he wasn't allowed to start new threads. Good times these were.
Maybe it's time to bring back this rule; or a more general rule.
If you start so many threads that they occupy more than half a page, and if more than half of these threads get zero replies from other posters, the you lose your right to start threads for a week.
In fact, by applying this rule, there's a chance fleet might not be the only spammer who would be contained.
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Fleet
Aug 20, 2018 23:28:12 GMT
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Post by islandmur on Aug 20, 2018 23:28:12 GMT
No I don't think we should relegate Fleet to a different board, his poems are in reply to stuff that happens here or in the world, yes he is not a conventional poster and yes he clutters the board, I would however suggest that when it comes to poetry maybe he could limit his threads to a certain number per day like 5 or 6 that way the front page is not cluttered and if his inspiration gets the best of him he can post on the threads he has already made.
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Post by drystyx on Aug 20, 2018 23:42:28 GMT
Fleet's poem's suck, but that doesn't matter. Talent and inspiration and strategy all mean nothing to Western culture. As proof there is the huge fan base of Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton in politics, and of Clint Eastwood and Adam Sandler in movies, of Leone and Coppola in directing, of Phil Collins, pearl Jam, Stevie Ray Vaughan, Bill Cocker, Steely Dan, every rap artist around, and Santana in music, and of Hunter Thompson in whatever you want to call his crap.
The worse you are, the more applause you get. I more than suspect it's because everyone wants to be a star, and so they want to applaud only for the least talented competition to face them in the next round.
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Fleet
Aug 21, 2018 3:06:34 GMT
Post by koskiewicz on Aug 21, 2018 3:06:34 GMT
...and drystyx, you are at the bottom of the barrel...!!!
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Aug 21, 2018 8:39:32 GMT
Post by Aj_June on Aug 21, 2018 8:39:32 GMT
No I don't think we should relegate Fleet to a different board, his poems are in reply to stuff that happens here or in the world, yes he is not a conventional poster and yes he clutters the board, I would however suggest that when it comes to poetry maybe he could limit his threads to a certain number per day Fleet suffers from autism which is often characterised by repetitive behaviour. While repetitive behaviour may not be a feature of everyone who suffers from Autism, it seems to be the case with Fleet. So I guess we will have to go along as it is. The point is that it is not in his choice not to clutter the board. He doesn't feel like he does that. |
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Fleet
Aug 21, 2018 8:46:47 GMT
Post by FilmFlaneur on Aug 21, 2018 8:46:47 GMT
the Catholic Church did not put pagans on altars and rip out their hearts There is no logical reason why the actions you described, and the old South American gods to which they pertain, are not to be respected as valid any more than the purported deities and their rituals elsewhere in the world, your distaste notwithstanding. Some South American civilisations didn't go anywhere much after their encounter with the west either, since they collapsed in the years after first contact. |
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Aug 21, 2018 8:58:16 GMT
Post by Aj_June on Aug 21, 2018 8:58:16 GMT
Aztecs were barbaric savages who were going nowhere without Christian ethics and later, Western technology and medicine, Some South American civilisations didn't go anywhere much after their encounter with the west either, since they collapsed in the years after first contact. Actually, the relative level of prosperity in America for that time period is unknown and may have been significantly better than what native Americans had to face in years after contact with Europeans. Also, medicine and modern technology could always be acquired from trade. Christians often use human sacrifice in America as if it was something practised on daily basis or as if murder or killing didn't go on in Europe.
It is much like British Colonialist propaganda that apparently Britishers made their colonies better off. When in fact British Empire's inhuman and extremely unfair taxation stratified the colonies into various groups and promoted internal corruption in the colonies. Take India for example. India's economy was 25% of the world economy around 1700 CE but it was just 2.5% in 1947. That's a terrible decline for a country that had experienced relative prosperity for nearly 5000 years of their history. The fact is that Brits did nothing than suck resources out of India. If they led railway lines then it was with purpose of promoting their own interests. At end of the day relative prosperity of Indian subcontinent fell remarkably because of the draining of resources out of the country. Further the society became more stratified into groups and castes because now the society was competing for very limited resources since the British Empire looted or drained the country's resources to a great extent.
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Post by Morgana on Aug 21, 2018 9:28:04 GMT
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Let him have his own board. Why not as he routinely occupies 75% to 50% of every page.
? What do you think of that idea? No. Why is it such a big deal when all they have to do is put him on ignore? |
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Aug 22, 2018 10:15:52 GMT
Post by Morgana on Aug 22, 2018 10:15:52 GMT
Pace yourself, man! Holy smokes.  I would just like to reiterate: yes he posts a lot, and I won't lie and say I read all of his poems, I don't. But of those I have read, they are on subjects that are important and events happening in the world now. Because of that, I feel they have more relevance than some of the rubbish posted on the board. Again, those that are upset about it, can ignore him. |
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Aug 22, 2018 10:38:14 GMT
Post by The Herald Erjen on Aug 22, 2018 10:38:14 GMT
What would you call it instead? Appy-polly-logies if I used the wrong term. Yoga. This has been around for eons and traditional yoga, which is about being connected and unified with the whole, which is everything, and not the quick fix s<>t about doing aerobics in hot rooms to lose some flab. What a load. You go around broadcasting that there is no savior, and you call it yoga? Do you have a link that shows were yoga has been teaching for eons that there is no savior? Stop making an embarrassing spectacle of yourself, please. How about if I go around broadcasting that there is a savior, and I call it egg salad? Yeah, nothing New Age about that. |
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Post by phludowin on Aug 22, 2018 10:40:26 GMT
Pace yourself, man! Holy smokes. I would just like to reiterate: yes he posts a lot, and I won't lie and say I read all of his poems, I don't. But of those I have read, they are on subjects that are important and events happening in the world now. Because of that, I feel they have more relevance than some of the rubbish posted on the board. Again, those that are upset about it, can ignore him. He could post the poems in the threads that discuss the subject. If he doesn't, and starts new threads, he is guilty of spamming. And just ignoring him doesn't work too well. If you activate the option "ignore this poster's threads", you get a reduced number of threads on page 1. The threads from page 2 don't move to page 1. So you don't gain much. |
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Post by phludowin on Aug 22, 2018 10:44:25 GMT
No I don't think we should relegate Fleet to a different board, his poems are in reply to stuff that happens here or in the world, yes he is not a conventional poster and yes he clutters the board, I would however suggest that when it comes to poetry maybe he could limit his threads to a certain number per day Fleet suffers from autism which is often characterised by repetitive behaviour. While repetitive behaviour may not be a feature of everyone who suffers from Autism, it seems to be the case with Fleet. So I guess we will have to go along as it is. The point is that it is not in his choice not to clutter the board. He doesn't feel like he does that. That's not an excuse for letting him get away with it (assuming it's true). If someone with Tourette syndrome and ADHS goes to a classical concert and starts shouting insults during a quiet movement: Would you just let him do it and say that it's not his fault? I'd be ok with removing this person from the concert hall. Same with kleptomaniacs in a mall. |
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