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Post by Admin on Aug 20, 2018 4:24:17 GMT
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Let him have his own board. Why not as he routinely occupies 75% to 50% of every page.
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Fleet
Aug 20, 2018 4:43:07 GMT
Post by gameboy on Aug 20, 2018 4:43:07 GMT
It seems that many atheists like "Fleet" focus on these few cases of child molestation by priests only because they hate religion. This Fleet guys is filled with hate. I've been reading his stuff for years. Just as many lawyers and engineers are child molesters as priests. I just find it ridiculous that LGBT fools focus their hate on the Catholic Church when it has been a homosexual refuge for centuries.I think it is more the hypocrisy and glorified version of Christ and sexuality that maligns the Catholic Church. Not to mention how it was used to control and manipulate the herd. They have a lot to answer for, especially in regards to homosexuality, when like you say, it has been a refuge, yet it was condemned at the same time. Did they think they could cover it up, by making a celibacy clause? Sure, the Catholic Church has been responsible for much of the hate against homosexuals over the centuries. I get that. But every institution of our culture is rife with inherent homophobia. At least the clergy was and is a secret refuge for gay men and lesbians. |
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Fleet
Aug 20, 2018 4:50:53 GMT
Post by Toasted Cheese on Aug 20, 2018 4:50:53 GMT
I think it is more the hypocrisy and glorified version of Christ and sexuality that maligns the Catholic Church. Not to mention how it was used to control and manipulate the herd. They have a lot to answer for, especially in regards to homosexuality, when like you say, it has been a refuge, yet it was condemned at the same time. Did they think they could cover it up, by making a celibacy clause? Sure, the Catholic Church has been responsible for much of the hate against homosexuals over the centuries. I get that. But every institution of our culture is rife with inherent homophobia. At least the clergy was and is a secret refuge for gay men and lesbians. It is also more than just homophobia, look at the Spanish inquisition and abortion and how young girls were treated for getting pregnant out of wedlock as though it was entirely their fault. |
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Post by gameboy on Aug 20, 2018 4:55:19 GMT
Sure, the Catholic Church has been responsible for much of the hate against homosexuals over the centuries. I get that. But every institution of our culture is rife with inherent homophobia. At least the clergy was and is a secret refuge for gay men and lesbians. It is also more than just homophobia, look at the Spanish inquisition and abortion and how young girls were treated for getting pregnant out of wedlock as though it was entirely their fault. Of course, the Catholic Church has been a source for evil. But lets take an example where it addressed greater evil. Aztec religion practiced human sacrifice. Did the Catholic Church not stop that? |
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Fleet
Aug 20, 2018 5:07:40 GMT
Post by Toasted Cheese on Aug 20, 2018 5:07:40 GMT
It is also more than just homophobia, look at the Spanish inquisition and abortion and how young girls were treated for getting pregnant out of wedlock as though it was entirely their fault. Of course, the Catholic Church has been a source for evil. But lets take an example where it addressed greater evil. Aztec religion practiced human sacrifice. Did the Catholic Church not stop that? That was also due to conquering and claiming space that wasn't rightfully theirs. |
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Post by gameboy on Aug 20, 2018 6:23:06 GMT
Of course, the Catholic Church has been a source for evil. But lets take an example where it addressed greater evil. Aztec religion practiced human sacrifice. Did the Catholic Church not stop that? That was also due to conquering and claiming space that wasn't rightfully theirs. Human history is one of conquest. The Aztecs also conquered and subjugated neighboring tribes. The difference is that Spanish Catholics did not rip out the heart of their Aztec subjects and sacrifice them to some pagan god as the Aztecs did to those they conquered. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2018 6:28:11 GMT
That was also due to conquering and claiming space that wasn't rightfully theirs. Human history is one of conquest. The Aztecs also conquered and subjugated neighboring tribes. The difference is that Spanish Catholics did not rip out the heart of their Aztec subjects and sacrifice them to some pagan god as the Aztecs did to those they conquered. The catholic Spanish only committed wholescale genocide in the name of their god. Wiped out 94% of the aztec people. A bit worse wouldn't you say🤔 The Catholic Church was plenty busy with human sacrifices to their god throughout Europe at that time as well. |
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Aug 20, 2018 6:37:54 GMT
Post by The Herald Erjen on Aug 20, 2018 6:37:54 GMT
Of course, the Catholic Church has been a source for evil. But lets take an example where it addressed greater evil. Aztec religion practiced human sacrifice. Did the Catholic Church not stop that? That was also due to conquering and claiming space that wasn't rightfully theirs. It was foretold to happen, TC, and that's one of my gripes with the Catholic Church. They're interpreting the Four Horsemen all wrong. Could it be deliberate? In artwork you often see them riding side by side but in the book they ride in succession. 1) First Horseman is the age of conquest and colonization. 2) Second Horseman is the age of imperialism and wars. 3) Third Horseman is the worldwide economy. 4) Fourth Horseman is the death of the contemporary world system. There. Now you can scoff and bleat more of your New Age "wisdom" if you like, assuming anyone wants to buy it. |
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Post by gameboy on Aug 20, 2018 6:39:32 GMT
Human history is one of conquest. The Aztecs also conquered and subjugated neighboring tribes. The difference is that Spanish Catholics did not rip out the heart of their Aztec subjects and sacrifice them to some pagan god as the Aztecs did to those they conquered. The catholic Spanish only committed wholescale genocide in the name of their god. Wiped out 94% of the aztec people. A bit worse wouldn't you say🤔 The Catholic Church was plenty busy with human sacrifices to their god throughout Europe at that time as well. How many native peoples did the Aztecs wipe out? As I said, human history is one of conquest. But no, the Catholic Church did not put pagans on altars and rip out their hearts. Sorry, your Aztecs were barbaric savages who were going nowhere without Christian ethics and later, Western technology and medicine, |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2018 6:51:39 GMT
The catholic Spanish only committed wholescale genocide in the name of their god. Wiped out 94% of the aztec people. A bit worse wouldn't you say🤔 The Catholic Church was plenty busy with human sacrifices to their god throughout Europe at that time as well. How many native peoples did the Aztecs wipe out? As I said, human history is one of conquest. But no, the Catholic Church did not put pagans on altars and rip out their hearts. Sorry, your Aztecs were barbaric savages who were going nowhere without Christian ethics and later, Western technology and medicine, No, they didn't put pagans on altars and rip their hearts out... The Christians of medieval Europe were more in to torturing people who they thought had offended their make believe god. Then they burned them alive, drowned, or beheaded them. Then they took their brand of religious human sacrifice to the 'new' world, and inflicted it upon the indigenous peoples, whose land they stole by force, all in the name of their christian god. The indigenous peoples of the Americas weren't thankful for western 'medicine'. White Europeans caused genocide in the 'new' world simply with all the diseases they brought with them. Their technology and medicine was far in advance of the European invaders in many respects. The christian ethics they brought caused nothing but theft, rape, and death, on an industrial scale. |
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Aug 20, 2018 7:02:31 GMT
Post by The Herald Erjen on Aug 20, 2018 7:02:31 GMT
How many native peoples did the Aztecs wipe out? As I said, human history is one of conquest. But no, the Catholic Church did not put pagans on altars and rip out their hearts. Sorry, your Aztecs were barbaric savages who were going nowhere without Christian ethics and later, Western technology and medicine, No, they didn't put pagans on altars and rip their hearts out... The Christians of medieval Europe were more in to torturing people who they thought had offended their make believe god. Then they burned them alive, drowned, or beheaded them. Then they took their brand of religious human sacrifice to the 'new' world, and inflicted it upon the indigenous peoples, whose land they stole by force, all in the name of their christian god. The indigenous peoples of the Americas weren't thankful for western 'medicine'. White Europeans caused genocide in the 'new' world simply with all the diseases they brought with them. Their technology and medicine was far in advance of the European invaders in many respects. The christian ethics they brought caused nothing but theft, rape, and death, on an industrial scale. As opposed to ripping hearts out on an industrial scale?  |
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Aug 20, 2018 7:04:21 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2018 7:04:21 GMT
No, they didn't put pagans on altars and rip their hearts out... The Christians of medieval Europe were more in to torturing people who they thought had offended their make believe god. Then they burned them alive, drowned, or beheaded them. Then they took their brand of religious human sacrifice to the 'new' world, and inflicted it upon the indigenous peoples, whose land they stole by force, all in the name of their christian god. The indigenous peoples of the Americas weren't thankful for western 'medicine'. White Europeans caused genocide in the 'new' world simply with all the diseases they brought with them. Their technology and medicine was far in advance of the European invaders in many respects. The christian ethics they brought caused nothing but theft, rape, and death, on an industrial scale. As opposed to ripping hearts out on an industrial scale? It wasn't on an industrial scale. It was pretty small scale, on certain days of the calendar. There is no actual evidence it was related to aztec religion either. Thought to more likely be an act cannibalism through food shortages, or as a political control mechanism. |
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Aug 20, 2018 7:11:14 GMT
Post by The Herald Erjen on Aug 20, 2018 7:11:14 GMT
As opposed to ripping hearts out on an industrial scale? It wasn't on an industrial scale. It was pretty small scale, on certain days of the calendar. There is no actual evidence it was related to aztec religion either. Thought to more likely be an act cannibalism through food shortages, or as a political control mechanism. Garbage. They believed as long as they made human sacrifices the sun would shine and the crops would grow and the empire would remain strong. Real logical scientific stuff there, Jack. |
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Post by Aj_June on Aug 20, 2018 7:20:13 GMT
American/European invaders- Shamelessly wiped out an entire race of people from a continent and then make excuse that those people were not so good and so it was good to wipe them out. Since wiping the natives, the country has been indulging in all sorts of horrible wars and killing millions.
Also, human sacrifice wasn't practised on everyday basis. It's death toll was no where near what inquisition caused. The fact that an entire race of people has become nearly extinct is the biggest shame for humans in all their history.
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Aug 20, 2018 7:22:34 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2018 7:22:34 GMT
It wasn't on an industrial scale. It was pretty small scale, on certain days of the calendar. There is no actual evidence it was related to aztec religion either. Thought to more likely be an act cannibalism through food shortages, or as a political control mechanism. Garbage. They believed as long as they made human sacrifices the sun would shine and the crops would grow and the empire would remain strong. Real logical scientific stuff there, Jack. Yes scientific stuff. They knew where the sun rose and set on every day of the solar year. They understood the mechanics of the lunar/solar calendar. They were accomplished astronomers. They were also accomplished agriculturalists. Too successful in fact. Their society grew too big and fast, and it ate up their available local resources faster than it could be replenished. The same with the Mayan collapse. Too successful for their own good. Growth too big, too fast... It's been a problem the world over since the neolithic. Local environmental/ecological conditions in mesoamerica exacerbated the problem, leading to widespread cannibalism. This was most likely the reason for the ritual killings. For cannibalism, food... Necessity, not religion. I'm an archaeologist/evolutionary biologist. Where are you coming at this from? |
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Aug 20, 2018 7:32:16 GMT
Post by The Herald Erjen on Aug 20, 2018 7:32:16 GMT
Garbage. They believed as long as they made human sacrifices the sun would shine and the crops would grow and the empire would remain strong. Real logical scientific stuff there, Jack. Yes scientific stuff. They knew where the sun rose and set on every day of the solar year. They understood the mechanics of the lunar/solar calendar. They were accomplished astronomers. They were also accomplished agriculturalists. Too successful in fact. Their society grew too big and fast, and it ate up their available local resources faster than it could be replenished. The same with the Mayan collapse. Too successful for their own good. Growth too big, too fast... It's been a problem the world over since the neolithic. Local environmental/ecological conditions in mesoamerica exacerbated the problem, leading to widespread cannibalism. This was most likely the reason for the ritual killings. For cannibalism, food... Necessity, not religion. I'm an archaeologist/evolutionary biologist. Where are you coming at this from? Me? I'm just sitting here watching the wheels go round and round.  And I'm waiting for you to explain how ripping out a human heart to appease an evil bloodthirsty pagan god promotes agricultural yield.  |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2018 7:46:06 GMT
Yes scientific stuff. They knew where the sun rose and set on every day of the solar year. They understood the mechanics of the lunar/solar calendar. They were accomplished astronomers. They were also accomplished agriculturalists. Too successful in fact. Their society grew too big and fast, and it ate up their available local resources faster than it could be replenished. The same with the Mayan collapse. Too successful for their own good. Growth too big, too fast... It's been a problem the world over since the neolithic. Local environmental/ecological conditions in mesoamerica exacerbated the problem, leading to widespread cannibalism. This was most likely the reason for the ritual killings. For cannibalism, food... Necessity, not religion. I'm an archaeologist/evolutionary biologist. Where are you coming at this from? Me? I'm just sitting here watching the wheels go round and round. And I'm waiting for you to explain how ripping out a human heart to appease an evil bloodthirsty pagan god promotes agricultural yield. You have no actual knowledge or expertise on the subject, and you just sit there making stuff up. You don't actually read what other people are saying, and just keep parroting your same ill-informed opinions over and over again. |
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Aug 20, 2018 9:21:53 GMT
Post by Toasted Cheese on Aug 20, 2018 9:21:53 GMT
That was also due to conquering and claiming space that wasn't rightfully theirs. Human history is one of conquest. The Aztecs also conquered and subjugated neighboring tribes. The difference is that Spanish Catholics did not rip out the heart of their Aztec subjects and sacrifice them to some pagan god as the Aztecs did to those they conquered. No, they just burnt heretics at the stake. If they confessed and repented to the ways of Catholicism, they got garroted first, otherwise they were burnt alive as sacrifices and all in the name of God. Catholicism DOES NOT get a free pass. |
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Aug 20, 2018 9:24:07 GMT
Post by Toasted Cheese on Aug 20, 2018 9:24:07 GMT
That was also due to conquering and claiming space that wasn't rightfully theirs. It was foretold to happen, TC, and that's one of my gripes with the Catholic Church. They're interpreting the Four Horsemen all wrong. Could it be deliberate? In artwork you often see them riding side by side but in the book they ride in succession. 1) First Horseman is the age of conquest and colonization. 2) Second Horseman is the age of imperialism and wars. 3) Third Horseman is the worldwide economy. 4) Fourth Horseman is the death of the contemporary world system. There. Now you can scoff and bleat more of your New Age "wisdom" if you like, assuming anyone wants to buy it. What makes my wisdom New Age? |
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Post by thefleetsin on Aug 20, 2018 15:14:15 GMT
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Let him have his own board. Why not as he routinely occupies 75% to 50% of every page.
? What do you think of that idea? i think it's someone's way of politely excusing their own inabilities to be reminded of the history of an organization rife with horrendous practices. admittedly, i may go through periods of excessive posting. (periods which any creative person would not categorize as a bad thing) but more often than not i'm like any other poster here. so i think having 'my own board' kinda defeats the whole purpose of being inspired by some of the posters here. |
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