|
|
Post by Vassaggo on Aug 20, 2018 6:52:26 GMT
LOL dude, now you're just making excuses as to why MCU movies are successful. And judging how the MCU is 10 years old and still going strong clearly proves it will stand the test of time. And when Iron Man, Captain America, and Black Panther outgrosses those 4 iconic superheroes, it's time to put them into that exclusive iconic club. No, MCU heroes will never be in the exclusive iconic club. Not everything can be iconic. Otherwise, it would lose all meaning and prestige for something to be iconic. So only a small set of things can be iconic. For example, Mickey Mouse is iconic, Speedy Gonzales isn't iconic. The Big Mac is iconic, the Jumbo Jack isn't iconic. Coca-Cola is iconic, Mountain Dew isn't iconic. Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman, and Spider-Man are iconic, MCU heroes aren't iconic. I think they are edging into Iconic a few anyway. Sherlock Holmes was once Iconic he has fallen a bit. Elsie the Borden Cow is in the top 10 advertising icons of the 20th century, but she is no longer iconic. IBM was the end all be all for computer and business. Now Apple is the Icon. It's an ebb and flow. Things are added things are taken away. Right now Ironman and Cap are growing. And sad to say I think Superman is waning a bit. I don't want him too, but when I have to beg for kids in my family to go see a Superman movie. I don't know if they are going to grow into Superman loving adults. And that's what it takes for an Icon to continue. If the next generation doesn't care about an Icon it fades. |
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
@Deleted
Posts: 0
Likes:
|
Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2018 7:03:16 GMT
LOL dude, now you're just making excuses as to why MCU movies are successful. And judging how the MCU is 10 years old and still going strong clearly proves it will stand the test of time. And when Iron Man, Captain America, and Black Panther outgrosses those 4 iconic superheroes, it's time to put them into that exclusive iconic club. No, MCU heroes will never be in the exclusive iconic club. Not everything can be iconic. Otherwise, it would lose all meaning and prestige for something to be iconic. So only a small set of things can be iconic. For example, Mickey Mouse is iconic, Speedy Gonzales isn't iconic. The Big Mac is iconic, the Jumbo Jack isn't iconic. Coca-Cola is iconic, Mountain Dew isn't iconic. Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman, and Spider-Man are iconic, MCU heroes aren't iconic. I'd disagree there. The Hulk is iconic. Captain America is iconic. Your average person, even before superhero movies became the big blockbusters and superheroes in general became commonplace knowledge, would probably know who these characters were even if it was just by osmosis. The Hulk is the guy that turns into a big green monster when he gets mad and Captain America is the guy with the shield. Perhaps not on the same level as Batman, Superman, Wonder Woman and Spiderman but what could be? All of those properties resonated so strongly with people that they became part of cultural shorthand. They were also given the spotlight for so long that nobody could not know who they were. |
|
|
|
Post by DC-Fan on Aug 20, 2018 7:10:28 GMT
No, MCU heroes will never be in the exclusive iconic club. Not everything can be iconic. Otherwise, it would lose all meaning and prestige for something to be iconic. So only a small set of things can be iconic. For example, Mickey Mouse is iconic, Speedy Gonzales isn't iconic. The Big Mac is iconic, the Jumbo Jack isn't iconic. Coca-Cola is iconic, Mountain Dew isn't iconic. Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman, and Spider-Man are iconic, MCU heroes aren't iconic. I think they are edging into Iconic a few anyway. Sherlock Holmes was once Iconic he has fallen a bit. Elsie the Borden Cow is in the top 10 advertising icons of the 20th century, but she is no longer iconic. IBM was the end all be all for computer and business. Now Apple is the Icon. It's an ebb and flow. Things are added things are taken away. Right now Ironman and Cap are growing. And sad to say I think Superman is waning a bit. I don't want him too, but when I have to beg for kids in my family to go see a Superman movie. I don't know if they are going to grow into Superman loving adults. And that's what it takes for an Icon to continue. If the next generation doesn't care about an Icon it fades. Iron Man and Cap are just flavors of the month, similar to how Disco was extremely popular in the late 1970s but isn't anymore. You're confusing being popular for a brief period with having iconic status. For example, Stone Cold Steve Austin was 1 of the most popular wrestlers for awhile and John Cena was also 1 of the most popular wrestlers for awhile, but neither are iconic like Hulk Hogan and Andre the Giant are. |
|
|
|
Post by DC-Fan on Aug 20, 2018 7:16:23 GMT
No, MCU heroes will never be in the exclusive iconic club. Not everything can be iconic. Otherwise, it would lose all meaning and prestige for something to be iconic. So only a small set of things can be iconic. For example, Mickey Mouse is iconic, Speedy Gonzales isn't iconic. The Big Mac is iconic, the Jumbo Jack isn't iconic. Coca-Cola is iconic, Mountain Dew isn't iconic. Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman, and Spider-Man are iconic, MCU heroes aren't iconic. Perhaps not on the same level as Batman, Superman, Wonder Woman and Spiderman but what could be? All of those properties resonated so strongly with people that they became part of cultural shorthand. They were also given the spotlight for so long that nobody could not know who they were. Exactly! They've been well-known by practically everybody for such a long time that nothing else is at the same level. Like I said, only a small set of things can be iconic. For example, Mickey Mouse, the Big Mac, Coca-Cola, James Bond, Hulk Hogan and Andre the Giant. And among superheroes in American comics, it's Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman, and Spider-Man. |
|
|
|
Post by Vassaggo on Aug 20, 2018 7:17:11 GMT
I think they are edging into Iconic a few anyway. Sherlock Holmes was once Iconic he has fallen a bit. Elsie the Borden Cow is in the top 10 advertising icons of the 20th century, but she is no longer iconic. IBM was the end all be all for computer and business. Now Apple is the Icon. It's an ebb and flow. Things are added things are taken away. Right now Ironman and Cap are growing. And sad to say I think Superman is waning a bit. I don't want him too, but when I have to beg for kids in my family to go see a Superman movie. I don't know if they are going to grow into Superman loving adults. And that's what it takes for an Icon to continue. If the next generation doesn't care about an Icon it fades. Iron Man and Cap are just flavors of the month, similar to how Disco was extremely popular in the late 1970s but isn't anymore. You're confusing being popular for a brief period with having iconic status. For example, Stone Cold Steve Austin was 1 of the most popular wrestlers for awhile and John Cena was also 1 of the most popular wrestlers for awhile, but neither are iconic like Hulk Hogan and Andre the Giant are. Flavors of the decade so far. And that's the point. If the become the Flavors of 2, 3, or 4 decades they are Iconic. I think you are letting the fog of Nostalgia and Longevity blind you to the fact that Old Icons can Fade and new Icons can be made. To my Dad's generation Flair, Hogan, and Andre were flavors of the month it was Johnny Valentine and Gorgeous George who were the Icons. |
|
|
|
Post by Nicko's Nose on Aug 20, 2018 7:17:18 GMT
I think they are edging into Iconic a few anyway. Sherlock Holmes was once Iconic he has fallen a bit. Elsie the Borden Cow is in the top 10 advertising icons of the 20th century, but she is no longer iconic. IBM was the end all be all for computer and business. Now Apple is the Icon. It's an ebb and flow. Things are added things are taken away. Right now Ironman and Cap are growing. And sad to say I think Superman is waning a bit. I don't want him too, but when I have to beg for kids in my family to go see a Superman movie. I don't know if they are going to grow into Superman loving adults. And that's what it takes for an Icon to continue. If the next generation doesn't care about an Icon it fades. Iron Man and Cap are just flavors of the month But your predictions concerning the MCU are usually wrong. Like when you said Black Panther wouldn’t reach 1 billion and Infinity War wouldn’t reach 2 billion. |
|
|
|
Post by justanaveragejoe on Aug 20, 2018 7:22:34 GMT
LOL dude, now you're just making excuses as to why MCU movies are successful. And judging how the MCU is 10 years old and still going strong clearly proves it will stand the test of time. And when Iron Man, Captain America, and Black Panther outgrosses those 4 iconic superheroes, it's time to put them into that exclusive iconic club. No, MCU heroes will never be in the exclusive iconic club. Not everything can be iconic. Otherwise, it would lose all meaning and prestige for something to be iconic. So only a small set of things can be iconic. For example, Mickey Mouse is iconic, Speedy Gonzales isn't iconic. The Big Mac is iconic, the Jumbo Jack isn't iconic. Coca-Cola is iconic, Mountain Dew isn't iconic. James Bond is iconic, Jason Bourne isn't iconic. Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman, and Spider-Man are iconic, MCU heroes aren't iconic. So why are the MCU heroes outgrossing the iconic superheroes you just mentioned? |
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
@Deleted
Posts: 0
Likes:
|
Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2018 7:24:41 GMT
Perhaps not on the same level as Batman, Superman, Wonder Woman and Spiderman but what could be? All of those properties resonated so strongly with people that they became part of cultural shorthand. They were also given the spotlight for so long that nobody could not know who they were. Exactly! They've been well-known by practically everybody for such a long time that nothing else is at the same level. Like I said, only a small set of things can be iconic. For example, Mickey Mouse, the Big Mac, Coca-Cola, James Bond, Hulk Hogan and Andre the Giant. And among superheroes in American comics, it's Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman, and Spider-Man. There might be a limit to what can be categorized as iconic but as Vassago stated, icons do tend to change. Long before Superman, it would have been Hercules or Achilles filling a similar role. The problem with icons is that they become quaint and dated and are eventually supplanted by icons that fit the times better or that simply get more exposure for doing the same thing as previous icons or just because they're fresh and new. Nobody really talks about Buck Rogers anymore, for example. I think the four heroes you mentioned will stand the test of time but I don't think it's a given that they will always be the "go-to" when referring to certain qualities that are heroic. |
|
|
|
Post by Nicko's Nose on Aug 20, 2018 7:28:48 GMT
No, MCU heroes will never be in the exclusive iconic club. Not everything can be iconic. Otherwise, it would lose all meaning and prestige for something to be iconic. So only a small set of things can be iconic. For example, Mickey Mouse is iconic, Speedy Gonzales isn't iconic. The Big Mac is iconic, the Jumbo Jack isn't iconic. Coca-Cola is iconic, Mountain Dew isn't iconic. James Bond is iconic, Jason Bourne isn't iconic. Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman, and Spider-Man are iconic, MCU heroes aren't iconic. So why are the MCU heroes outgrossing the iconic superheroes you just mentioned? Repeat viewings from MCU kids derpity derp de derp de der. |
|
|
|
Post by Primemovermithrax Pejorative on Aug 20, 2018 7:43:39 GMT
In terms of public awareness, Thor and Loki benefit from being religious figures and more importantly the former having also been an 80s rock sensation!
|
|
|
|
Post by dazz on Aug 20, 2018 9:54:32 GMT
None of the MCU heroes are iconic. The author of the article clearly doesn't know what iconic means. Iconic is something that is well-known by over 90% of people (which disqualifies all the MCU heroes since most people have never heard of them) and has stood the test of time. Things that are iconic are Mickey Mouse, the Big Mac, and Coca-Cola. And for superheroes from American comics, the only iconic superheroes are Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman, and Spider-Man.
and
Strange how neither states a 90% requirement, nor require a test of time which is actually more along the lines of a classic, once again DC-Fan showing he doesn't understand the meaning of words, yet his verbal diarrhoea compels him to keep using them.
Also DC-Fan you bumbling idiot, IW estimated 200 million tickets sold, Black Panther over 150 million tickets, the MCU the highest grossing film franchise in history with over $17 billion in box office returns, the 5th highest grossing per average franchise in history, 6th if you count Avengers as it's own brand which is then the #1 per average film franchise, 8th highest grossing media franchise in history, but it's the 2nd highest per year, only behind Pokémon.
To say barely anyone knows who what the MCU or it's characters are is a full blown spasticated statement, only thing dumber is your they only make money by repeat viewings, no idiot because if it was repeat viewing then their box office wouldn't blow up opening weekends, they would be more steadily paced, because if you have the funds to drop $100+ on seeing the same film repeatedly which do you do watch it on repeat over 48 hours or do you watch it one or twice a week for a month or 2?
|
|
|
|
Post by Tristan's Journal on Aug 20, 2018 10:45:57 GMT
lol at those garbage-tier shill articles for fanboys and the clumsy and click-baity way they are written.
|
|
kanekikun
Sophomore
@kanekikun
Posts: 236
Likes: 18
|
Post by kanekikun on Aug 20, 2018 11:41:15 GMT
i like the salt from dc fans. they cant counter any o fthis.
|
|
|
|
Post by Hauntedknight87 on Aug 20, 2018 11:43:27 GMT
Let's be honest here. That article was written for the clicks.
Which is why it's perfect for this board!
|
|
|
|
Post by Rey Kahuka on Aug 20, 2018 11:59:43 GMT
List makes no sense, it equates supporting characters like Korg with characters who've led the Avengers and in some cases even had their own titles. Iron Man and Thor aren't C-list characters. They may as well have added Cap to that list. Hawkeye, Ant-Man, Wasp, Black Panther and Doctor Strange were B-list at worst.
|
|
