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Post by Aj_June on Aug 22, 2018 13:07:59 GMT
I think not many people dispute that Jainism is older than Buddhism. However, Jainism was made famous among masses by Mahavira (24th teacher of Jaimism). But it's an important question if Mahavira came earlier that Buddha or he came later than Buddha or both were contemporaries?
When I was a kid the generally held view in India was that Mahavira came before Buddha. I still strongly subscribe to that view. But modern historians dispute about it.
Wikipedia lists following dates for the two great teachers:
Mahavira - c. 497 - 425 BCE (historical) c. 599-527 BCE (traditional)
Buddha - (c. 563/480 – c. 483/400 BCE)
I personally believe that Mahavira came around 550 BCE and Buddha came around 480 BCE. Both were primarily from the province where I was born (the ancient kingdom of Magadha). I believe that they simply could not have been contemporaries as many modern historians believe because Buddha has not written significantly about Mahavira. I am sure Buddha would have written a lot about him if they were contemporaries because Mahavira was a great teacher and there was no way for Buddha to not refute him when spreading his own dharma. Also, they lived in the same province (around radius of 200 km where I was born) so it can't be said that they could not have met because they lived far away from each other.
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Post by clusium on Aug 22, 2018 14:11:39 GMT
How come people know about the Buddha's story, but, nobody seems to know Mahavira's story?
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Post by Aj_June on Aug 22, 2018 15:15:47 GMT
How come people know about the Buddha's story, but, nobody seems to know Mahavira's story? Because Buddhism was spread in many countries by Dharma Bhanaks (Buddhist missionaries). These people were to bring Buddhism in as many parts of the world as possible. Jainism until 50 years back was only limited to India. People of India do know a bit about Mahavira's life.
Generally there are two versions of every story of that period. A Jain version and a Buddhist version. Jain version of stories glorifies Mahavira and Buddhist version glorifies Buddha.
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Post by clusium on Aug 22, 2018 15:34:49 GMT
How come people know about the Buddha's story, but, nobody seems to know Mahavira's story? Because Buddhism was spread in many countries by Dharma Bhanaks (Buddhist missionaries). These people were to bring Buddhism in as many parts of the world as possible. Jainism until 50 years back was only limited to India. People of India do know a bit about Mahavira's life.
Generally there are two versions of every story of that period. A Jain version and a Buddhist version. Jain version of stories glorifies Mahavira and Buddhist version glorifies Buddha.
I don't dispute that Jain stories would glorify Mahavira & Buddhist stories would glorify the Buddha. However, the story of how Siddhartha Gautama became the Buddha is widely known, whereas Mahavira's story about how he became a Tirthenkara (sp.) is not.
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Post by Aj_June on Aug 22, 2018 15:38:33 GMT
Because Buddhism was spread in many countries by Dharma Bhanaks (Buddhist missionaries). These people were to bring Buddhism in as many parts of the world as possible. Jainism until 50 years back was only limited to India. People of India do know a bit about Mahavira's life.
Generally there are two versions of every story of that period. A Jain version and a Buddhist version. Jain version of stories glorifies Mahavira and Buddhist version glorifies Buddha.
I don't dispute that Jain stories would glorify Mahavira & Buddhist stories would glorify the Buddha. However, the story of how Siddhartha Gautama became the Buddha is widely known, whereas Mahavira's story about how he became a Tirthenkara (sp.) is not. As I said it's because there are many more Buddhists in the world than there are Jains. Buddhism is very famous in countries like Japan, Korea, Thailand, Vietnam etc. etc, so western people get to know more about Buddhism. Western people came in contact with Buddhists through Japan and China and also through South East Asia. So they took those stories to west and thus Buddha became more famous.
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Post by Aj_June on Aug 22, 2018 15:42:28 GMT
Just like to mention that the famous blind men and elephant parable comes originally from Jain stories.
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Post by The Lost One on Aug 22, 2018 16:00:21 GMT
Just like to mention that the famous blind men and elephant parable comes originally from Jain stories. Never knew that, always liked that story.
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Post by Aj_June on Aug 22, 2018 16:12:19 GMT
Just like to mention that the famous blind men and elephant parable comes originally from Jain stories. Never knew that, always liked that story. The story basically sums up entire Jainism.
Jainism is one of the very few schools of thought in India that is pluralistic (other is Sankhya school of Hinduism). One of the principle on which Jainism is based is non-absolutism.
While I do not totally agree with Jainism I have a lot of respect for them because their virtues encourage mutual respect between various groups.
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