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Post by kls on Aug 27, 2018 13:29:19 GMT
But I never called it a sin at all. Hence my confusion at being lumped there. Are you saying you disagree with the Catholic Church on this? Now I’m confused. I can't say when life starts so I can't make a judgement on it being a sin or not. I can't make choices for other people. All I can say is I would prefer pregnancies go to term and healthy infants are born rather than abortions occurring and support programs giving pregnant women support to carry to term. I prefer preventing pregnancies to ending them. |
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Post by captainbryce on Aug 27, 2018 13:31:55 GMT
Are you saying you disagree with the Catholic Church on this? Now I’m confused. I can't say when life starts so I can't make a judgement on it being a sin or not. I can't make choices for other people. All I can say is I would prefer pregnancies go to term and healthy infants are born rather than abortions occurring and support programs giving pregnant women support to carry to term. I prefer preventing pregnancies to ending them. So your answer then is in fact YES, you do disagree with the Catholic Church? |
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Post by kls on Aug 27, 2018 13:32:57 GMT
I can't say when life starts so I can't make a judgement on it being a sin or not. I can't make choices for other people. All I can say is I would prefer pregnancies go to term and healthy infants are born rather than abortions occurring and support programs giving pregnant women support to carry to term. I prefer preventing pregnancies to ending them. So your answer then is in fact YES, you do disagree with the Catholic Church? Yes. I thought I was clear on that earlier. But sorry if I wasn't. |
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Post by kls on Aug 27, 2018 13:34:30 GMT
Well, the Catholic Church teaches that abortion is a sin (along with contraceptives), but also that their are different levels of sins (some being worse than others) etc. So there are some doctrinal differences from regular Christianity that would probably bias you against abortion. Which is why I asked that after the first two posters answered with abortion. I'm confused Where did you pick up bias against abortion or calling it a sin from what I wrote?. I wasn't going with the standard ideology and teachings of the church and I never called it a sin. I thought pro choice would have stuck out. Who do you think I answered in a similar way to? I've never met a Catholic who has spoken against contraception use. This is what I meant by I thought I was clear on that before. Maybe I wasn't specific enough. |
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Aug 27, 2018 13:38:56 GMT
bryce and people like him often think Christians only look at right in wrong in terms of sin rather than something being wrong or favoring better options. Well that is how most Christians look at it. Because that’s what the bible teaches, and it’s generally how they craft their arguments. You may be among the minority in trying to separate morality and sin. But to most Christians, they are one in the same. And I say this as a former Christian myself. It always seems like I have to remind people that most Christians implemented laws that had nothing to do with their beliefs including the legalization of the sucky practice of abortion. It is entirely easy to separate the two and I am no where near the minority in realizing that. Most Christians don’t waste time on other people’s sins anyway. I have little to no concern whether someone blinks the same gender, worships differently, or kills their prelims and life as we know it proves I’m right and you’re wrong about this. You’re probably just listening to too many social conservatives. |
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Post by captainbryce on Aug 27, 2018 14:03:08 GMT
Well that is how most Christians look at it. Because that’s what the bible teaches, and it’s generally how they craft their arguments. You may be among the minority in trying to separate morality and sin. But to most Christians, they are one in the same. And I say this as a former Christian myself. It always seems like I have to remind people that most Christians implemented laws that had nothing to do with their beliefs including the legalization of the sucky practice of abortion. No, laws being implemented in a secular system of government has nothing to do with religion. We don’t make laws based on religion. Yes, in a secular government it is required to separate the two. But I’m not asking about secular laws. We are talking about Christians separating their own beliefs from what Christianity teaches. Again, I submit that you represent the minority. Most Christians in America actually do waste time on other people’s sins. They interpret it as their duty as a Christian to spread the gospel. Well this may come as a shock to you, but social conservatives are in power right now. They happen to be the majority, which means that a majority of Christians voted for conservatives to enact conservative policies. So what are you talking about? What other Christians would I be listening to? |
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Post by clusium on Aug 27, 2018 14:19:27 GMT
Abortion. It is legalized infanticide. You’re Catholic right? Yeah. |
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Post by captainbryce on Aug 27, 2018 14:34:13 GMT
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Post by clusium on Aug 27, 2018 14:39:14 GMT
How about you? Which of those 3 things (abortion, gay sex, or Muslims) do you find the most offensive? |
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Post by captainbryce on Aug 27, 2018 14:59:47 GMT
How about you? Which of those 3 things (abortion, gay sex, or Muslims) do you find the most offensive? I’m not religious, so there is no moral reason to find any of them offensive. These are things that only theists would generally find offensive. |
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Aug 27, 2018 15:27:21 GMT
How about you? Which of those 3 things (abortion, gay sex, or Muslims) do you find the most offensive? I’m not religious, so there is no moral reason to find any of them offensive. These are things that only theists would generally find offensive. its good to know Christians don’t offend you. It is odd that Muslims don’t offend you. |
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Post by captainbryce on Aug 27, 2018 15:28:38 GMT
I’m not religious, so there is no moral reason to find any of them offensive. These are things that only theists would generally find offensive. its good to know Christians don’t offend you. It is odd that Muslims don’t offend you. 👍🏽 |
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Post by clusium on Aug 27, 2018 20:08:32 GMT
How about you? Which of those 3 things (abortion, gay sex, or Muslims) do you find the most offensive? I’m not religious, so there is no moral reason to find any of them offensive. These are things that only theists would generally find offensive. Not necessarily. There are atheists that are pro-life, & back when I was growing up, practically all people in society were homophobic, whether they were religious or not; or whether they even believed in God or not. |
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Post by captainbryce on Aug 27, 2018 21:36:02 GMT
I’m not religious, so there is no moral reason to find any of them offensive. These are things that only theists would generally find offensive. Not necessarily. There are atheists that are pro-life, & back when I was growing up, practically all people in society were homophobic, whether they were religious or not; or whether they even believed in God or not. I’m willing to concede that there may be some atheists who are “pro life”. Granted I’ve never met one before but, is it possible they are out there? Sure, I suppose (although I’d have no idea what their reasoning would be). But surely you’d admit that the vast majority of pro-lifers are theists right? And there is supposedly a biblically inspired reason for why Christian theists would be pro life correct? Well I don’t have such a reason, which means I have no reason to be pro life. When it comes to homophobia, yes at one point the majority of people in society was homophobic. But this was due mostly to ignorance (largely driven by religion). A lot of secular people in the United States believe that newborn boys should be circumcised. Why? Because it came from religion (aka ignorance) influencing secular thinking. A lot of people at one point in time believed that the earth was flat. Why? Ignorance. But in the age of modern science, including advanced biology and psychology, we tend to know better now. So generally speaking the only people who are still homophobic are conservative theists. Why? Because of religion! Because there is no other practical or logical reason to be homophobic today other than religion. |
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Aug 27, 2018 21:51:59 GMT
Not necessarily. There are atheists that are pro-life, & back when I was growing up, practically all people in society were homophobic, whether they were religious or not; or whether they even believed in God or not. I’m willing to concede that there may be some atheists who are “pro life”. Granted I’ve never met one before but, is it possible they are out there? Sure, I suppose (although I’d have no idea what their reasoning would be). But surely you’d admit that the vast majority of pro-lifers are theists right? And there is supposedly a biblically inspired reason for why Christian theists would be pro life correct? Well I don’t have such a reason, which means I have no reason to be pro life. When it comes to homophobia, yes at one point the majority of people in society was homophobic. But this was due mostly to ignorance (largely driven by religion). A lot of secular people in the United States believe that newborn boys should be circumcised. Why? Because it came from religion (aka ignorance) influencing secular thinking. A lot of people at one point in time believed that the earth was flat. Why? Ignorance. But in the age of modern science, including advanced biology and psychology, we tend to know better now. So generally speaking the only people who are still homophobic are conservative theists. Why? Because of religion! Because there is no other practical or logical reason to be homophobic today other than religion. You've met atheists who are offended by stuff that others aren’t. This is only about a list of things that interest you which doesn’t necessarily make it interesting. |
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Post by Eλευθερί on Aug 27, 2018 21:56:54 GMT
I've never met a Catholic who has spoken against contraception use. There are hundreds of millions of Catholics, so no individual Catholic could possibly have met more than just a small percentage him- or herself. There are definitely some Catholics who oppose contraception. Rick Santorum, former US Senator and presidential candidate has said swampland.time.com/2012/02/14/rick-santorum-wants-to-fight-the-dangers-of-contraception/(This was not the first time he's said something like this.) After a lot of outrage over the remarks, he later said that he personally opposes contraception but would not try to ban all access to contraceptives for others. Another example:
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Post by kls on Aug 27, 2018 22:09:28 GMT
I've never met a Catholic who has spoken against contraception use. There are hundreds of millions of Catholics, so no individual Catholic could possibly have met more than just a small percentage him- or herself. There are definitely some Catholics who oppose contraception. Rick Santorum, former US Senator and presidential candidate has said swampland.time.com/2012/02/14/rick-santorum-wants-to-fight-the-dangers-of-contraception/(This was not the first time he's said something like this.) After a lot of outrage over the remarks, he later said that he personally opposes contraception but would not try to ban all access to contraceptives for others. Another example:
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You're not wrong, but that doesn't change what I wrote. |
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Post by captainbryce on Aug 27, 2018 23:34:18 GMT
I’m willing to concede that there may be some atheists who are “pro life”. Granted I’ve never met one before but, is it possible they are out there? Sure, I suppose (although I’d have no idea what their reasoning would be). But surely you’d admit that the vast majority of pro-lifers are theists right? And there is supposedly a biblically inspired reason for why Christian theists would be pro life correct? Well I don’t have such a reason, which means I have no reason to be pro life. When it comes to homophobia, yes at one point the majority of people in society was homophobic. But this was due mostly to ignorance (largely driven by religion). A lot of secular people in the United States believe that newborn boys should be circumcised. Why? Because it came from religion (aka ignorance) influencing secular thinking. A lot of people at one point in time believed that the earth was flat. Why? Ignorance. But in the age of modern science, including advanced biology and psychology, we tend to know better now. So generally speaking the only people who are still homophobic are conservative theists. Why? Because of religion! Because there is no other practical or logical reason to be homophobic today other than religion. You've met atheists who are offended by stuff that others aren’t. This is only about a list of things that interest you which doesn’t necessarily make it interesting. Which makes it all the more puzzling why you bother to offer a comment in the first place!  |
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Aug 28, 2018 12:53:15 GMT
You've met atheists who are offended by stuff that others aren’t. This is only about a list of things that interest you which doesn’t necessarily make it interesting. Which makes it all the more puzzling why you bother to offer a comment in the first place! i comment in things that are only jnteresting to the poster all the time. If for no other reason then to educate them on things they don’t know.😊 |
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Post by captainbryce on Aug 28, 2018 12:57:08 GMT
Which makes it all the more puzzling why you bother to offer a comment in the first place! i comment in things that are only jnteresting to the poster all the time. If for no other reason then to educate them on things they don’t know.😊 And yet, you’ve failed to even accomplish that. Making your reply even more useless. And that’s if we should give you the benefit of the doubt and assume that this is your actual motivation. Because you basically said that you reply because YOU are interested in the appearance of educating other people on issues that you are supposedly not interested in, which is a ridiculous motivation, but I wouldn’t put it past you. |
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