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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2018 15:47:43 GMT
I should start by saying I was raised to eat meat and dairy every day. We had fish sticks on Friday (Starting out because it was Catholic “law,” then continuing out of habit.) My mother, when on a diet, would have salad instead and complain about eating “rabbit food.” I started to feel bad about certain foods 10+ years ago, when I heard that pigs were as intelligent as dogs. The only time I eat their meat anymore is on pizza (It just doesn’t seem like real pizza without pepperoni,) or some other dish where it’s a small ingredient (ex., Bolognese sauce in pasta,) or if someone I know is cooking something they like with it. After that, when learning about how horribly these animals are treated, I have been gradually reducing my meat and dairy intake. I do still eat fish every week (although now on Mondays,) but I buy it either wild-caught or sustainably farmed. I make a dish with hamburger and beans every week that my husband and I like, although in restaurants known for burgers, I will eat the ones made out of beans. I have always loved cheese, and until very recently had eaten it as a snack every day. However, I have been able to substitute a bowl of mixed nuts instead. I’m not sure I can eliminate animal products completely, though - I still need skim milk with my cereal, and I don’t much like salad (especially when eating out, since some always gets stuck in my teeth.) Since I continue to look for options, though, I am hopeful I can reduce further (perhaps start using soy milk instead of real, etc.) Replace milk with oat milk (hazelnut milk if you like it creamy and sweet). Replace cheese with vegan cheeses. Plenty of quality varieties available now, for salad and cooking uses. Replace peperroni with vegan spiced sausage slices. Again many varieties to try. Companies are now nailing the meat taste and texture in meat substitute products if you need a stepping stone. Good suggestions, Father Jack, thanks! I hate to cause any suffering, so I'm open to any recommendations in this area.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2018 16:11:10 GMT
It is important to be a voice for the voiceless. Join in debate on the issue, and take direct action on animal rights ( sabotaging hunts, burning animal transport lorries in their depots, blockading meat farms and slaughterhouses, exposing farms and farmers cruel practices, causing economic damage to the animal exploitation industry, etc etc). That's where you've crossed the line.
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Post by general313 on Aug 29, 2018 16:20:56 GMT
once offered a dollar i was once offered a dollar to swallow whole the entire length of a friends polska kielbasa, without gagging. we had these ridiculously silly nicknames for each others cocks back then so we could talk about it and not have the priests getting too excited before the weekend. sjw 08/29/18 inspired at this very moment in time by meat lovers everywhere. from the 'boner series' of poems How much for a banana?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2018 17:08:03 GMT
It is important to be a voice for the voiceless. Join in debate on the issue, and take direct action on animal rights ( sabotaging hunts, burning animal transport lorries in their depots, blockading meat farms and slaughterhouses, exposing farms and farmers cruel practices, causing economic damage to the animal exploitation industry, etc etc). That's where you've crossed the line. Hunt sabs save lives. The other is simple economics.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2018 17:21:14 GMT
That's where you've crossed the line. Hunt sabs save lives. The other is simple economics. No, they both make you radical terrorists.
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Post by lowtacks86 on Aug 29, 2018 17:24:47 GMT
I don't have an issue with eating meat unless it's endagered (whale hunting). I don't think it's very common, but I'm not particularly comfortable with the idea of eating chimps or apes in general (genetically they're far too close to human). I don't have an issue with hunting general, though I do think trophy hunting is tacky and a waste of food.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2018 17:25:40 GMT
Hunt sabs save lives. The other is simple economics. No, they both make you radical terrorists. How is sabotaging hunts terrorism🤔
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2018 17:30:05 GMT
No, they both make you radical terrorists. How is sabotaging hunts terrorism🤔 Qualify 'sabotaging hunts'. If one is destroying property or endangering hunters, it qualifies as terrorism. The second incontrovertibly qualifies as such.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2018 17:32:49 GMT
How is sabotaging hunts terrorism🤔 Qualify 'sabotaging hunts'. If one is destroying property or endangering hunters, it qualifies as terrorism. The second incontrovertibly qualifies as such. The second qualifies as criminal damage at worst, not terrorism. Don't be so melodramatic.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2018 17:36:27 GMT
Qualify 'sabotaging hunts'. If one is destroying property or endangering hunters, it qualifies as terrorism. The second incontrovertibly qualifies as such. The second qualifies as criminal damage at worst, not terrorism. That would be up to the courts to decide... if they can consider the actions based on one's ideological position or manifestation thereof, it's terrorism. There's also the risk of bodily harm/death to others. You've crossed the line.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2018 18:47:31 GMT
The second qualifies as criminal damage at worst, not terrorism. That would be up to the courts to decide... if they can consider the actions based on one's ideological position or manifestation thereof, it's terrorism. There's also the risk of bodily harm/death to others. You've crossed the line. Sometimes my friend, when you're pushed to the end of the line, you've gotta cross it.
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Post by progressiveelement on Aug 29, 2018 19:12:58 GMT
I love meat.
And while cruelty to animals is a big no with me, we are omnivores, not herbivores. It is my right as a human to eat meat and veg.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2018 19:51:39 GMT
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Post by phludowin on Aug 29, 2018 20:00:25 GMT
I'm not a vegetarian, but I try to not eat too much meat. Maybe on average 3 meat-based dishes per week.
My biggest beef (pun intended) with meat-based food used to be that I believe, or used to believe, that it's ecologically inefficient. I read somewhere that in order to produce one kilogram of meat you have to invest seven kilograms of animal food. So at first glance it would make more sense to directly grow plant-based food for humans.
On the other hand, plants need water, fertilizer, and don't grow everywhere. Maybe meat from an animal that lives in a place where no plants edible for humans grow (like grass) is ecologically more efficient than trying to plant corn in places where it doesn't rain that much. But maybe I am just misinformed.
Another thing: I live in a region where people love meat. And sometimes I get the impression that when restaurants put vegetarian dishes on the menu, they choose unattractive and untasty foods on purpose, so that people order meat. Fact is: Many meat dishes are tasty. And often, vegetarian dishes have less proteines than meat dishes. Especially when the vegetarian dish is a salad or a plate of noodles.
As for replacements for meat: I can't eat peanuts without getting sick; and some soy-based foods taste weird to me. I tried meat replacements for a while, but I have mostly reverted to eating "the real thing", so to speak.
On the other hand: Mass-produced factory meat is an ecological problem; and animals are sentient beings who in my opinion have a right not to suffer.
Hopefully one day, humanity will find a way to artificially produce meat; maybe from stem cells, or from 3D printers; that doesn't require animals dying for it and still tastes as if it was fresh from the fields of Argentina. But until then, I will eat what I like.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2018 20:19:48 GMT
I love meat. And while cruelty to animals is a big no with me, we are omnivores, not herbivores. It is my right as a human to eat meat and veg. 😇 You can't say animal cruelty is a big no to you, but you love meat. Well, you can... But the two are undeniably contradictory.
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Post by general313 on Aug 29, 2018 20:47:05 GMT
I love meat. And while cruelty to animals is a big no with me, we are omnivores, not herbivores. It is my right as a human to eat meat and veg. 😇 You can't say animal cruelty is a big no to you, but you love meat. Well, you can... But the two are undeniably contradictory. What part of "love meat" is cruel to animals? Just the killing part? Or does it include what happens before and/or after the moment of death? As for killing, if it's done quickly so that the animal experiences little or no pain, and briefly, it is reasonable to argue that that is humane.
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Aug 29, 2018 20:50:18 GMT
You can't say animal cruelty is a big no to you, but you love meat. Well, you can... But the two are undeniably contradictory. What part of "love meat" is cruel to animals? Just the killing part? Or does it include what happens before and/or after the moment of death? As for killing, if it's done quickly so that the animal experiences little or no pain, and briefly, it is reasonable to argue that that is humane. I always thought the notion of animal cruelty kinda silly. Humans either slit their throat or shoot them leading to a quick death. in the wild, they die in the worst possible ways. Some are choked while another predator is eating their butt and testicles. Talk about cruel. Peta needs to start campaigning against lions.
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Post by progressiveelement on Aug 29, 2018 22:33:25 GMT
I love meat. And while cruelty to animals is a big no with me, we are omnivores, not herbivores. It is my right as a human to eat meat and veg. 😇 You can't say animal cruelty is a big no to you, but you love meat. Well, you can... But the two are undeniably contradictory. I wasn't cruel to the animal I'm eating. 👍
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Post by Arlon10 on Aug 29, 2018 22:49:11 GMT
I love meat. And while cruelty to animals is a big no with me, we are omnivores, not herbivores. It is my right as a human to eat meat and veg. 😇 You can't say animal cruelty is a big no to you, but you love meat. Well, you can... But the two are undeniably contradictory. I hope that when I die it's as quick and painless as food animal deaths (for human consumption), but the chances are it might be a bit more difficult.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2018 6:04:01 GMT
What part of "love meat" is cruel to animals? Just the killing part? Or does it include what happens before and/or after the moment of death? As for killing, if it's done quickly so that the animal experiences little or no pain, and briefly, it is reasonable to argue that that is humane. I always thought the notion of animal cruelty kinda silly. Humans either slit their throat or shoot them leading to a quick death. in the wild, they die in the worst possible ways. Some are choked while another predator is eating their butt and testicles. Talk about cruel. Peta needs to start campaigning against lions. One of the main questions I ask towards the moral arguments made against humans killing animals is since animals can kill humans for food (and would) then why can't humans kill animals for the same purpose?
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