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Post by clusium on Mar 23, 2017 21:59:49 GMT
Check it out. Captainbryce referred to it on on the old forum. religionforums
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Post by srb3 on Mar 23, 2017 22:46:03 GMT
Check it out. Captainbryce referred to it on on the old forum. religionforumsNow *that's* what I'm talking about !!! Thanks for posting !
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Post by theoncomingstorm on Mar 24, 2017 1:31:46 GMT
At least they try not to be complete imbeciles:
"Evolution is just a theory, right? There is an evolutionary theory that tries to explain the observable fact of evolution. Similarly, there are gravitational theories that try to explain the observable fact of gravity. Gravity and evolution, as natural forces, are not open to debate. Why and exactly how they happen, however, are. If there is something wrong about the current evolutionary theory, it does not mean that evolution doesn't happen. Similarly, if there is something wrong with the current gravitational theory, we all won't float away into space."
But then immediately following that one:
"Does evolution state that man comes from apes? No. The theory of evolution attempts to trace modern life backwards through the "family tree." If we treat species like individuals on a family tree, the chimpanzee (the closest living human relative) is our 230 thousandth cousin, 10,000 times removed. The dragonfly, on the other hand, is our 300 millionth cousin, 110 million times removed."
How do you go from being entirely correct to entirely wrong from one question to the next?
But any progress is to be commended when dealing with religious people.
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Post by FilmFlaneur on Mar 24, 2017 14:36:04 GMT
At least they try not to be complete imbeciles... But then immediately following that one: "Does evolution state that man comes from apes? No.." How do you go from being entirely correct to entirely wrong from one question to the next? But any progress is to be commended when dealing with religious people. I am not sure what you mean here. Are you saying that we are descended from apes (at least in the way that fundamentalist mean it, rather than an 'ape-like human' , say)?
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Post by theoncomingstorm on Mar 24, 2017 17:22:07 GMT
At least they try not to be complete imbeciles... But then immediately following that one: "Does evolution state that man comes from apes? No.." How do you go from being entirely correct to entirely wrong from one question to the next? But any progress is to be commended when dealing with religious people. I am not sure what you mean here. Are you saying that we are descended from apes (at least in the way that fundamentalist mean it, rather than an 'ape-like human' , say)? We are apes, so of course we are descended from apes. The MRCA of humans and chimpanzees was an ape. The MRCA of the human/chimpanzee clade and gorillas was an ape. The MRCA of the human/chimpanzee/gorilla clade and orangutans was an ape. The MRCA of the human/chimpanzee/gorilla/orangutan clade and gibbons was an ape.
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Post by srb3 on Mar 24, 2017 19:07:23 GMT
I am not sure what you mean here. Are you saying that we are descended from apes (at least in the way that fundamentalist mean it, rather than an 'ape-like human' , say)? We are apes, so of course we are descended from apes. The MRCA of humans and chimpanzees was an ape. The MRCA of the human/chimpanzee clade and gorillas was an ape. The MRCA of the human/chimpanzee/gorilla clade and orangutans was an ape. The MRCA of the human/chimpanzee/gorilla/orangutan clade and gibbons was an ape. Actually that's not quite true. Evolution states that humans did not evolve from apes but rather that humans and apes share the same ancestor. Check out the below url and click on "What species of monkey did humans evolve from?" You will get, "Humans did not evolve from apes, gorillas or chimps. We are all modern species that have followed different evolutionary paths, though humans share a common ancestor with some primates, such as the African ape. The timeline of human evolution is long and controversial, with significant gaps.Feb 14, 2013." www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q=human+evolution&*
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Post by blade on Mar 24, 2017 19:10:16 GMT
We are apes, so of course we are descended from apes. The MRCA of humans and chimpanzees was an ape. The MRCA of the human/chimpanzee clade and gorillas was an ape. The MRCA of the human/chimpanzee/gorilla clade and orangutans was an ape. The MRCA of the human/chimpanzee/gorilla/orangutan clade and gibbons was an ape. Actually that's not quite true. Evolution states that humans did not evolve from apes but rather that humans and apes share the same ancestor. Check out the below url and click on "What species of monkey did humans evolve from?" You will get, "Humans did not evolve from apes, gorillas or chimps. We are all modern species that have followed different evolutionary paths, though humans share a common ancestor with some primates, such as the African ape. The timeline of human evolution is long and controversial, with significant gaps.Feb 14, 2013." www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q=human+evolution&*Rage incoming.
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Post by theoncomingstorm on Mar 24, 2017 19:17:23 GMT
We are apes, so of course we are descended from apes. The MRCA of humans and chimpanzees was an ape. The MRCA of the human/chimpanzee clade and gorillas was an ape. The MRCA of the human/chimpanzee/gorilla clade and orangutans was an ape. The MRCA of the human/chimpanzee/gorilla/orangutan clade and gibbons was an ape. Actually that's not quite true. Evolution states that humans did not evolve from apes but rather that humans and apes share the same ancestor. Check out the below url and click on "What species of monkey did humans evolve from?" You will get, "Humans did not evolve from apes, gorillas or chimps. We are all modern species that have followed different evolutionary paths, though humans share a common ancestor with some primates, such as the African ape. The timeline of human evolution is long and controversial, with significant gaps.Feb 14, 2013." www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q=human+evolution&*I'm not sure what part of this is confusing. Humans are apes, so by definition we evolved from apes. Nobody claims we evolved from any extant (living) species of ape but our common ancestors with those species must, by necessity, have been apes. It is impossible for it to have happened any other way. What this nonsense says is you have a species (call it species A) which is a genetic cousin of gorillas (an ape) that eventually evolves into humans and chimpanzees (both apes) but somehow species A is not an ape. This makes zero sense and is a logical impossibility. Yes, I already know that due to some still clinging to the idea that Homo sapiens is somehow special and "above" all other species that there are those who will fight tooth and nail against the obvious. But saying "humans aren't apes, we just share a common ancestor with apes) is no different than saying "humans aren't mammals, we just share a common ancestor with mammals" or "humans aren't animals, we just share a common ancestor with animals". Humans are not special, we are apes, we are primates, we are mammals, and we are animals. You can't have a member of a biological clade evolving into species that are not also members of that clade.
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Post by general313 on Mar 24, 2017 20:15:49 GMT
Actually that's not quite true. Evolution states that humans did not evolve from apes but rather that humans and apes share the same ancestor. Check out the below url and click on "What species of monkey did humans evolve from?" You will get, "Humans did not evolve from apes, gorillas or chimps. We are all modern species that have followed different evolutionary paths, though humans share a common ancestor with some primates, such as the African ape. The timeline of human evolution is long and controversial, with significant gaps.Feb 14, 2013." www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q=human+evolution&*I'm not sure what part of this is confusing. Humans are apes, so by definition we evolved from apes. Nobody claims we evolved from any extant (living) species of ape but our common ancestors with those species must, by necessity, have been apes. It is impossible for it to have happened any other way. What this nonsense says is you have a species (call it species A) which is a genetic cousin of gorillas (an ape) that eventually evolves into humans and chimpanzees (both apes) but somehow species A is not an ape. This makes zero sense and is a logical impossibility. Yes, I already know that due to some still clinging to the idea that Homo sapiens is somehow special and "above" all other species that there are those who will fight tooth and nail against the obvious. But saying "humans aren't apes, we just share a common ancestor with apes) is no different than saying "humans aren't mammals, we just share a common ancestor with mammals" or "humans aren't animals, we just share a common ancestor with animals". Humans are not special, we are apes, we are primates, we are mammals, and we are animals. You can't have a member of a biological clade evolving into species that are not also members of that clade. Yes, what he said. Humans did not evolve from chimpanzees or gorillas, but we did evolve from apes. An ape is not a species but a superfamily, a higher level of classification, just as vertebrate is a higher level still (a phylum). Humans are apes just as they are vertebrates, and they are not chimps or gorillas.
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Post by theoncomingstorm on Mar 24, 2017 20:22:58 GMT
I'm not sure what part of this is confusing. Humans are apes, so by definition we evolved from apes. Nobody claims we evolved from any extant (living) species of ape but our common ancestors with those species must, by necessity, have been apes. It is impossible for it to have happened any other way. What this nonsense says is you have a species (call it species A) which is a genetic cousin of gorillas (an ape) that eventually evolves into humans and chimpanzees (both apes) but somehow species A is not an ape. This makes zero sense and is a logical impossibility. Yes, I already know that due to some still clinging to the idea that Homo sapiens is somehow special and "above" all other species that there are those who will fight tooth and nail against the obvious. But saying "humans aren't apes, we just share a common ancestor with apes) is no different than saying "humans aren't mammals, we just share a common ancestor with mammals" or "humans aren't animals, we just share a common ancestor with animals". Humans are not special, we are apes, we are primates, we are mammals, and we are animals. You can't have a member of a biological clade evolving into species that are not also members of that clade. Yes, what he said. Humans did not evolve from chimpanzees or gorillas, but we did evolve from apes. An ape is not a species but a superfamily, a higher level of classification, just as vertebrate is a higher level still (a phylum). Humans are apes just as they are vertebrates, and they are not chimps or gorillas. This will continue as long as there are those who try to appease the less knowledgeable laymen and their silly superstitions. What they actually mean when they say humans didn't evolve from apes is that we didn't evolve from chimps, gorillas, orangutans or gibbons. That's fine so what they should say is that humans evolved from extinct species of apes but it will probably still be decades before sites that cater to a layman's understanding of science get around to being precise enough to actually explain the situation in enough detail for it to be both accurate and comprehensible to the non-scientifically minded.
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Post by PanLeo on Mar 24, 2017 20:48:59 GMT
Yes, what he said. Humans did not evolve from chimpanzees or gorillas, but we did evolve from apes. An ape is not a species but a superfamily, a higher level of classification, just as vertebrate is a higher level still (a phylum). Humans are apes just as they are vertebrates, and they are not chimps or gorillas. This will continue as long as there are those who try to appease the less knowledgeable laymen and their silly superstitions. What they actually mean when they say humans didn't evolve from apes is that we didn't evolve from chimps, gorillas, orangutans or gibbons. That's fine so what they should say is that humans evolved from extinct species of apes but it will probably still be decades before sites that cater to a layman's understanding of science get around to being precise enough to actually explain the situation in enough detail for it to be both accurate and comprehensible to the non-scientifically minded. This post contains high levels of lack of self awarness.
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Post by theoncomingstorm on Mar 24, 2017 20:51:49 GMT
This will continue as long as there are those who try to appease the less knowledgeable laymen and their silly superstitions. What they actually mean when they say humans didn't evolve from apes is that we didn't evolve from chimps, gorillas, orangutans or gibbons. That's fine so what they should say is that humans evolved from extinct species of apes but it will probably still be decades before sites that cater to a layman's understanding of science get around to being precise enough to actually explain the situation in enough detail for it to be both accurate and comprehensible to the non-scientifically minded. This post contains high levels of lack of self awarness. No, but thanks for playing.
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Post by PanLeo on Mar 24, 2017 21:05:35 GMT
This post contains high levels of lack of self awarness. No, but thanks for playing. Playing? Playing what?
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Post by theoncomingstorm on Mar 24, 2017 21:09:32 GMT
No, but thanks for playing. Playing? Playing what? Whatever game it is you think you've got going on by replying to my entirely truthful post as a lack of self-awareness. Maybe there will be some nice parting gifts for you. I just hope it's not an eight year old child.
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Post by blade on Mar 24, 2017 21:18:08 GMT
Whatever game it is you think you've got going on by replying to my entirely truthful post as a lack of self-awareness. Maybe there will be some nice parting gifts for you. I just hope it's not an eight year old child. Are you implying he's a pedophile?
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Post by theoncomingstorm on Mar 24, 2017 21:32:00 GMT
Whatever game it is you think you've got going on by replying to my entirely truthful post as a lack of self-awareness. Maybe there will be some nice parting gifts for you. I just hope it's not an eight year old child. Are you implying he's a pedophile? How could you have missed all the posts he's made in support of pedophilia when a dislike for such people may be your only redeeming quality?
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Post by blade on Mar 24, 2017 21:34:19 GMT
Are you implying he's a pedophile? How could you have missed all the posts he's made in support of pedophilia when a dislike for such people may be your only redeeming quality? Very simple, I dont read his posts. Amazing that you actually had to ask and couldnt figure it out for yourself.
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Post by theoncomingstorm on Mar 24, 2017 21:35:46 GMT
How could you have missed all the posts he's made in support of pedophilia when a dislike for such people may be your only redeeming quality? Very simple, I dont read his posts. Amazing that you actually had to ask and couldnt figure it out for yourself. Okay Blade. Don't ever change. Not that you could, but still...don't.
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Post by blade on Mar 24, 2017 21:37:26 GMT
Very simple, I dont read his posts. Amazing that you actually had to ask and couldnt figure it out for yourself. Okay Blade. Don't ever change. Not that you could, but still...don't. Dont ever stop being a coward and liar. Not that you could, but still...dont.
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Post by PanLeo on Mar 24, 2017 21:38:36 GMT
Whatever game it is you think you've got going on by replying to my entirely truthful post as a lack of self-awareness. Maybe there will be some nice parting gifts for you. I just hope it's not an eight year old child. Ans why do you think I think I "have a game going on"? I just found it quite amusing considering in another thread you clamed the idea that evolution is a natural force is "entirely truthful". Which is ludicrous and is "not even wrong" to quote Wolfgang Pauli.
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