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Post by Arlon10 on Sept 6, 2018 12:16:45 GMT
My concern here is to establish why you believe what you do. If it's because you mindlessly repeat what you barely understand, that's fine enough as long as you follow the right leaders. That's wonderful news! Perhaps one day you'll be able to write something! |
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Post by Hairynosedwombat on Sept 6, 2018 12:51:10 GMT
That's wonderful news! Perhaps one day you'll be able to write something!
Your concern appears to be to write nothing but puffery. From the minimal actual detail you have written (lists of possible factors affecting climate) followed by claims of their effects that no reputable scientist would agree with. Look in your bible for the facts on climate change. That way should work as well as what you currently do. BTW my belief isn't in climate science per se but the scientific establishment that has got thousands of scientists, thousands of research papers detailing thousands of observations and experiments that all come to the same basic conclusion, which is on a different planet to yours. |
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Post by Arlon10 on Sept 6, 2018 21:59:35 GMT
That's wonderful news! Perhaps one day you'll be able to write something!
Your concern appears to be to write nothing but puffery. From the minimal actual detail you have written (lists of possible factors affecting climate) followed by claims of their effects that no reputable scientist would agree with. Look in your bible for the facts on climate change. That way should work as well as what you currently do. BTW my belief isn't in climate science per se but the scientific establishment that has got thousands of scientists, thousands of research papers detailing thousands of observations and experiments that all come to the same basic conclusion, which is on a different planet to yours. You appear to be admitting that your decisions are based on your confidence in the work of others rather than your own analysis of any data. I understand that can be very efficient and avoid the time, expense and heartache of testing bad ideas over and over. Suppose however that your authorities are wrong. Suppose marijuana is harmful despite being legalized in several states. How would you know it's harmful? How would you persuade the states to change their laws? You said you knew something about statistics. I assume that means surveys and other data collection. How might statistics help you establish that marijuana is harmful? |
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Post by general313 on Sept 7, 2018 15:23:09 GMT
My concern here is to establish why you believe what you do. If it's because you mindlessly repeat what you barely understand, that's fine enough as long as you follow the right leaders.
Your concern appears to be to write nothing but puffery. From the minimal actual detail you have written (lists of possible factors affecting climate) followed by claims of their effects that no reputable scientist would agree with. Look in your bible for the facts on climate change. That way should work as well as what you currently do. BTW my belief isn't in climate science per se but the scientific establishment that has got thousands of scientists, thousands of research papers detailing thousands of observations and experiments that all come to the same basic conclusion, which is on a different planet to yours. You appear to be admitting that your decisions are based on your confidence in the work of others rather than your own analysis of any data. I understand that can be very efficient and avoid the time, expense and heartache of testing bad ideas over and over. Suppose however that your authorities are wrong. Suppose marijuana is harmful despite being legalized in several states. How would you know it's harmful? How would you persuade the states to change their laws? You said you knew something about statistics. I assume that means surveys and other data collection. How might statistics help you establish that marijuana is harmful? By your line of reasoning, every person needs to verify with his or her own measurements that the earth is round, and not just depend on the "authorities" that it is not flat. How do one know that Antarctica really exists without not actually visiting the continent? |
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Post by Arlon10 on Sept 7, 2018 21:32:15 GMT
You appear to be admitting that your decisions are based on your confidence in the work of others rather than your own analysis of any data. I understand that can be very efficient and avoid the time, expense and heartache of testing bad ideas over and over. Suppose however that your authorities are wrong. Suppose marijuana is harmful despite being legalized in several states. How would you know it's harmful? How would you persuade the states to change their laws? You said you knew something about statistics. I assume that means surveys and other data collection. How might statistics help you establish that marijuana is harmful? By your line of reasoning, every person needs to verify with his or her own measurements that the earth is round, and not just depend on the "authorities" that it is not flat. How do one know that Antarctica really exists without not actually visiting the continent? I actually read a lot of books. They are generally though not always more dependable than articles. The main difference between me and the "scientists" here beside reading longer seems to be my critical analysis. I have a more thorough foundation in basic science. I think they are generally capable of critical analysis but choose not to exercise it because the articles support their opinions. Proving the Earth is round: It's easy if you're near a large body of water. The horizon is always about 3 miles in the distance because of the curve of the Earth if your eyes are about six feet above the water level. Do the trigonometry. Proving Antartica: Penguins. Proving marijuana is bad: It severely impairs the ability to process large quantities of text. |
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Post by general313 on Sept 8, 2018 0:20:11 GMT
By your line of reasoning, every person needs to verify with his or her own measurements that the earth is round, and not just depend on the "authorities" that it is not flat. How do one know that Antarctica really exists without not actually visiting the continent? I actually read a lot of books. They are generally though not always more dependable than articles. The main difference between me and the "scientists" here beside reading longer seems to be my critical analysis. I have a more thorough foundation in basic science. I think they are generally capable of critical analysis but choose not to exercise it because the articles support their opinions. You actually read books!? Gosh, I'm really impressed! I've never met someone like that. It seems that on Planet Arlon it's fashionable to think like an adolescent who naturally assumes they are much smarter than anyone else around them. Do you honestly think that you're the only one around here who reads books and has a science background? Actually, determining that the earth is round is quite difficult in the manner you describe. Because of atmospheric disturbances it is quite difficult to detect where the horizon is. The ancient Greeks found better ways to do it: observations of lunar eclipses and measurements of sundial shadows at various latitudes. I learned that by reading a book. I, like virtually 100 percent of humans know the earth is round by reading, learning in school and seeing pictures of the earth from space. A ride in a rocket ship not necessary. Penguins don't prove the existence of Antarctica, for one thing wild penguins can be found in South America, Southern Africa and Australia. Citation? |
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Post by Arlon10 on Sept 8, 2018 2:36:26 GMT
It's the impression you leave when you always give wrong answers. I didn't say that. Now that you mention it though, most atheists here are wrong about most things, especially that require higher level reading. Get two people. Put one on the horizon in a big boat or a small boat and with anything big that floats. Yeah, no problem with atmospheric disturbances there.  That's not easier than my way. You have to travel much farther, hundreds of miles. The sun sets between tests unless you have a fast airplane. You copy things from books, but obviously not with much understanding. A) Those are different species. B) How would you prove Antarctica exists? Observing others in study hall. |
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Post by Terrapin Station on Sept 8, 2018 2:50:29 GMT
What, exactly, would you say is "the problem of immorality"?
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Post by Arlon10 on Sept 8, 2018 10:47:42 GMT
What, exactly, would you say is "the problem of immorality"? When some people are determined to do things others find morally reprehensible, that can be a problem. The very good question then becomes who is offending whom? What we have in this thread is the best formula for determining who is "minding their own business," and it's not whom a lot of people would have thought. |
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Post by Terrapin Station on Sept 8, 2018 11:00:15 GMT
What, exactly, would you say is "the problem of immorality"? When some people are determined to do things others find morally reprehensible, that can be a problem. The very good question then becomes who is offending whom? What we have in this thread is the best formula for determining who is "minding their own business," and it's not whom a lot of people would have thought. It's always going to be the case that some people are doing things that others find morally reprehensible because of human variability. We're not all clones of each other; we don't all have identical experiences, etc. Offense is relative and indexical. |
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Post by Arlon10 on Sept 8, 2018 17:34:01 GMT
When some people are determined to do things others find morally reprehensible, that can be a problem. The very good question then becomes who is offending whom? What we have in this thread is the best formula for determining who is "minding their own business," and it's not whom a lot of people would have thought. It's always going to be the case that some people are doing things that others find morally reprehensible because of human variability. We're not all clones of each other; we don't all have identical experiences, etc. Offense is relative and indexical. However true or not that is in theory, in actual practice there are winners and losers. Some people's ideas of morality are so at odds with such an overwhelming majority that they can be shunned, vilified, and if necessary prosecuted. Lately fewer and fewer people seem to fit that, or to put it another way more and more people are annoying each other without clarity which are the offenders. That does not mean though that society will not find its way again to establish right and wrong that clear and significant majorities will affirm. As I already mentioned, this thread has the best formulas for deciding when offenses occur and who committed them. It is also the best way to set as many people as free as possible. |
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Post by rachelcarson1953 on Sept 8, 2018 19:05:22 GMT
It's always going to be the case that some people are doing things that others find morally reprehensible because of human variability. We're not all clones of each other; we don't all have identical experiences, etc. Offense is relative and indexical. However true or not that is in theory, in actual practice there are winners and losers. Some people's ideas of morality are so at odds with such an overwhelming majority that they can be shunned, vilified, and if necessary prosecuted. Lately fewer and fewer people seem to fit that, or to put it another way more and more people are annoying each other without clarity which are the offenders. That does not mean though that society will not find its way again to establish right and wrong that clear and significant majorities will affirm. As I already mentioned, this thread has the best formulas for deciding when offenses occur and who committed them. It is also the best way to set as many people as free as possible. What formulas? I have scanned through this thread several times, even replied, and all I can isolate is 'a need for the fear of god' and 'distrust in science'. Sounds like not much of a formula. Exquisitely? Seriously? Wow, you have the best formulas and the best words... Is that you, President T-Rump? |
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Post by Arlon10 on Sept 8, 2018 20:28:58 GMT
However true or not that is in theory, in actual practice there are winners and losers. Some people's ideas of morality are so at odds with such an overwhelming majority that they can be shunned, vilified, and if necessary prosecuted. Lately fewer and fewer people seem to fit that, or to put it another way more and more people are annoying each other without clarity which are the offenders. That does not mean though that society will not find its way again to establish right and wrong that clear and significant majorities will affirm. As I already mentioned, this thread has the best formulas for deciding when offenses occur and who committed them. It is also the best way to set as many people as free as possible. What formulas? I have scanned through this thread several times, even replied, and all I can isolate is 'a need for the fear of god' and 'distrust in science'. Sounds like not much of a formula. Exquisitely? Seriously? Wow, you have the best formulas and the best words... Is that you, President T-Rump? I'm not taking credit for writing the Ten Commandment or even receiving tablets as Moses did. They are rather significant in history and likely in the future, with or without my help, or yours. No, you don't have anything better. |
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Post by rachelcarson1953 on Sept 8, 2018 22:09:14 GMT
What formulas? I have scanned through this thread several times, even replied, and all I can isolate is 'a need for the fear of god' and 'distrust in science'. Sounds like not much of a formula. Exquisitely? Seriously? Wow, you have the best formulas and the best words... Is that you, President T-Rump? I'm not taking credit for writing the Ten Commandment or even receiving tablets as Moses did. They are rather significant in history and likely in the future, with or without my help, or yours. No, you don't have anything better.
If I may quote thefleetsin:
Christianity has had over 2,000 years, and the Abrahamic roots even longer, to make this world a better place. The result?
Phillip Adams, (b.1939), Australian writer, filmmaker and radio personality.
Human existence represents but a short blip in the history of the universe's existence, your Abrahamic religion represents an even smaller blip. Religions have come and gone, been forgotten. Hinduism or Jainism is the oldest living religion on the planet. No one worships Thor or Anubis or any of the pantheon of Roman gods any more. But humans fought and died over those religions. And they fight and die still today. The aggressor of the moment is Radical Islam. It used to be the Christian Crusaders. Who knows what will be next?
Robert G. Ingersoll
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Post by Arlon10 on Sept 9, 2018 0:15:15 GMT
I'm not taking credit for writing the Ten Commandment or even receiving tablets as Moses did. They are rather significant in history and likely in the future, with or without my help, or yours. No, you don't have anything better.
If I may quote thefleetsin :
Christianity has had over 2,000 years, and the Abrahamic roots even longer, to make this world a better place. The result?
Phillip Adams, (b.1939), Australian writer, filmmaker and radio personality.
Human existence represents but a short blip in the history of the universe's existence, your Abrahamic religion represents an even smaller blip. Religions have come and gone, been forgotten. Hinduism or Jainism is the oldest living religion on the planet. No one worships Thor or Anubis or any of the pantheon of Roman gods any more. But humans fought and died over those religions. And they fight and die still today. The aggressor of the moment is Radical Islam. It used to be the Christian Crusaders. Who knows what will be next?
Robert G. Ingersoll You and your philosophy buddies can criticize "religion" and "Christianity" all day. You cannot criticize the Ten Commandments though. "Thou shalt not kill! What! Are you crazy! ... You bronze age shepherd!" So what it comes down to then is whether you can promote the same set of commandments without a god. That's what this thread is all about. |
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Post by rachelcarson1953 on Sept 9, 2018 19:42:29 GMT
What do consider our (USA) current legal system, chopped liver?
Laws, (do not kill), judges, prosecuting attorneys, defense attorneys, juries of peers, etc. No god required, just fines, sentences, judgements, appeals and possibly jail time in this lifetime, not eternity.
Honestly, why do you even bring these easily contested points up at all?
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Post by thefleetsin on Sept 10, 2018 15:00:15 GMT
What do consider our (USA) current legal system, chopped liver?
Laws, (do not kill), judges, prosecuting attorneys, defense attorneys, juries of peers, etc. No god required, just fines, sentences, judgements, appeals and possibly jail time in this lifetime, not eternity.
Honestly, why do you even bring these easily contested points up at all?
when dealing with those who not only drink the kool-aid, but who are attached via hose to a fifty five gallon drum, i find it necessary to carry a barf bag when they come within fifty feet of me. christians find it impossible to separate their spirit mumbling's from the other voices in their heads. Especially if you bring up any form of reality-based reasoning. It causes visible brain swelling and can lead to the messiest kinds of clean ups. How's tricks?? |
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Post by rachelcarson1953 on Sept 10, 2018 15:53:38 GMT
What do consider our (USA) current legal system, chopped liver?
Laws, (do not kill), judges, prosecuting attorneys, defense attorneys, juries of peers, etc. No god required, just fines, sentences, judgements, appeals and possibly jail time in this lifetime, not eternity.
Honestly, why do you even bring these easily contested points up at all?
when dealing with those who not only drink the kool-aid, but who are attached via hose to a fifty five gallon drum, i find it necessary to carry a barf bag when they come within fifty feet of me. christians find it impossible to separate their spirit mumbling's from the other voices in their heads. Especially if you bring up any form of reality-based reasoning. It causes visible brain swelling and can lead to the messiest kinds of clean ups. How's tricks?? Dealing with family issue still, so the barf bag box needs to be replenished. Dealing with doctors and social services and forms and insurance and finances, but the rest of the family "prays for me"... uh oh...  |
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Post by Arlon10 on Sept 10, 2018 16:26:21 GMT
What do consider our (USA) current legal system, chopped liver?
Laws, (do not kill), judges, prosecuting attorneys, defense attorneys, juries of peers, etc. No god required, just fines, sentences, judgements, appeals and possibly jail time in this lifetime, not eternity.
Honestly, why do you even bring these easily contested points up at all?
when dealing with those who not only drink the kool-aid, but who are attached via hose to a fifty five gallon drum, i find it necessary to carry a barf bag when they come within fifty feet of me. christians find it impossible to separate their spirit mumbling's from the other voices in their heads. Especially if you bring up any form of reality-based reasoning. It causes visible brain swelling and can lead to the messiest kinds of clean ups. How's tricks?? You criticizing others for being intoxicated makes me wish I had stock in irony meters. Think of the sales. |
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Post by general313 on Sept 10, 2018 19:22:45 GMT
when dealing with those who not only drink the kool-aid, but who are attached via hose to a fifty five gallon drum, i find it necessary to carry a barf bag when they come within fifty feet of me. christians find it impossible to separate their spirit mumbling's from the other voices in their heads. Especially if you bring up any form of reality-based reasoning. It causes visible brain swelling and can lead to the messiest kinds of clean ups. How's tricks?? You criticizing others for being intoxicated makes me wish I had stock in irony meters. Think of the sales. He isn't the one that believes in a Sky Daddy. On that note, this is a good time to issue a reminder to update your irony meter insurance. For some the need is well above average! |
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