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Post by Harmless elf on Sept 4, 2018 20:25:47 GMT
But are they making it equal in a bad way?
a problem in the boy World from elementary school to high school is there's too much of an emphasis on fighting, being the best fighter seems to be more important than getting the best grades. and it's no wonder cuz think what boys were/are watching, pro wrestling martial arts,action movies ECT.
Now we're getting tons of stuff of women kicking ass. This would be good if in the real world there was monsters and Aliens and stuff to fight off but in the real world fighting either gets you in trouble when you're a kid or in jail as an adult.
I think JK Rowling got Hermione right in Harry Potter she was a strong female character who used intelligence and studied hard she wasn't kicking everybody's ass every second and she still showed the same vulnerabilities and insecurities that real girls have.
I'm saying the damage has already been done to boys and men so why are we doing it to girls? I'm all for empowerment but why does empowerment always seem to include fighting?
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Post by lenlenlen1 on Sept 4, 2018 20:53:57 GMT
But are they making it equal in a bad way? a problem in the boy World from elementary school to high school is there's too much of an emphasis on fighting, being the best fighter seems to be more important than getting the best grades. and it's no wonder cuz think what boys were/are watching, pro wrestling martial arts,action movies ECT. Now we're getting tons of stuff of women kicking ass. This would be good if in the real world there was monsters and Aliens and stuff to fight off but in the real world fighting either gets you in trouble when you're a kid or in jail as an adult. I think JK Rowling got Hermione right in Harry Potter she was a strong female character who used intelligence and studied hard she wasn't kicking everybody's ass every second and she still showed the same vulnerabilities and insecurities that real girls have. I'm saying the damage has already been done to boys and men so why are we doing it to girls? I'm all for empowerment but why does empowerment always seem to include fighting? I also am all for female empowerment, but you are absolutely right. In fact what you are describing is the "male-ization" of females, and the train of thought that "to fight" is better than to think. If we were in a militaristic world where there was a need for fighting this might be good. But as you clearly point out, fighting in real life gets you thrown in jail (unless you're in the military and then its controlled fighting against a clear enemy).
I think meeting one another in a middle ground is the best way to go, but how to do that is the problem.
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Post by Primemovermithrax Pejorative on Sept 4, 2018 20:54:16 GMT
There were always strong women characters in European history. Dido and Camilla in Virgil's the Aeneid.
Various Shakespeare heroines.
And in the 40s there was Nancy Drew.
It's the media drumming up social instability for political reasons. That is what is behind girl empowerment (while they turned a blind eye to Weinstein treating them as harem girls).
The aim is not to make a better society, the aim is to take it down.
People who don't see it are stupid.
It's one of the oldest truths in recorded history. Foreign intervention of a malicious nature will harm a society.
As for boys-the media doesn't want males to be leaders-they want them to be fodder in wars.
But they do not depict males (European ones at least) as independent authority figures anymore.
Rowling's purpose was not to make a strong female character so much as to promote a beta male one.
One complaint I heard with Harry Potter is he didn't do much. He wasn't Encyclopedia Brown or one of the Hardy Boys.
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Post by dirtypillows on Sept 4, 2018 21:31:47 GMT
But are they making it equal in a bad way? a problem in the boy World from elementary school to high school is there's too much of an emphasis on fighting, being the best fighter seems to be more important than getting the best grades. and it's no wonder cuz think what boys were/are watching, pro wrestling martial arts,action movies ECT. Now we're getting tons of stuff of women kicking ass. This would be good if in the real world there was monsters and Aliens and stuff to fight off but in the real world fighting either gets you in trouble when you're a kid or in jail as an adult. I think JK Rowling got Hermione right in Harry Potter she was a strong female character who used intelligence and studied hard she wasn't kicking everybody's ass every second and she still showed the same vulnerabilities and insecurities that real girls have. I'm saying the damage has already been done to boys and men so why are we doing it to girls? I'm all for empowerment but why does empowerment always seem to include fighting? Such a good point. I guess because when it comes down to it, war - actual war, i.e., fight to death - is the way that, when push comes to shove, man's biggest conflict usually gets resolved. Basically, it's about "I'm right and you're wrong, and I am wiling to kill or be killed to make my point." And it's too bad, too, because one of the things that I always thought women had over men was this common sense approach to conflict, which was to make the best out of what you've got. No fists, no guns, no nuclear bombs. Humor, yes. Humor, humor, humor. And gentleness. I always thought that the average, typical woman was so much smarter than the average, typical man in this way. If you look at the domestic sitcoms from the 50s and early 60s, it was usually the wife who had the better sense of humor than the dad. Like, June Cleaver could be very funny at times, with her wry observations. Ward Cleaver was Drip City. He was as funny as a murder trial. (I forgot, what exactly did Ward do for a living? Was he an accountant?) And now it seems that physical violence is still getting the upper hand, or else why would the entertainment world be endowing the heroines with superior physical strength, something that does not occur very often in nature? I liked it best when the ladies in "9 to 5" outwitted their "sexist, egotistical, lying, hypocritical bigot" of a boss through their own means. This is another thing that I don't agree with the majority opinion (at least i think it's the majority opinion) and that is that women are not as funny as men are. Because I think women with a sense of humor are waaaaay funnier than men who have a sense of humor. Of course, I can't go any further than this before I acknowledge that humor is about subjective a thing as it gets, and I'm a gay man, and my own sense of humor is tightly bound up with my sexuality and my identity. But, I don't think that there are a whole lot of straight men (a few, probably) who strongly identify with funny women or who would prefer a female comic over a male comic. |
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Post by Harmless elf on Sept 4, 2018 21:36:56 GMT
There were always strong women characters in European history. Dido and Camilla in Virgil's the Aeneid. Various Shakespeare heroines. And in the 40s there was Nancy Drew. It's the media drumming up social instability for political reasons. That is what is behind girl empowerment (while they turned a blind eye to Weinstein treating them as harem girls). The aim is not to make a better society, the aim is to take it down. People who don't see it are stupid. It's one of the oldest truths in recorded history. Foreign intervention of a malicious nature will harm a society. As for boys-the media doesn't want males to be leaders-they want them to be fodder in wars. But they do not depict males (European ones at least) as independent authority figures anymore. Rowling's purpose was not to make a strong female character so much as to promote a beta male one. One complaint I heard with Harry Potter is he didn't do much. He wasn't Encyclopedia Brown or one of the Hardy Boys. Yeah strong female characters are not new think Xena or Buffy or power rangers, but even then just like a problem now is these female characters are all very attractive, young, and in amazing shape. So really only girls who are both attractive and can fight matter. The entertainment world still gears towards men and pretty girls. The only message they seem to like to deliver is that pretty girls can fight too. Hollywood likes to change things from comics to change the race or gender of a character. How about making an older female superhero? Iron Man is played by an actor in his 50'S. In fact is there any popular female characters that are not young in movies? Oh but don't worry girls you can be a strong woman... Just as long as you look like Wonder Woman. |
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Post by Primemovermithrax Pejorative on Sept 4, 2018 22:00:32 GMT
How about making an older female superhero? Iron Man is played by an actor in his 50'S. In fact is there any popular female characters that are not young in movies? Oh but don't worry girls you can be a strong woman... Just as long as you look like Wonder Woman. That has a lot to do with the studio owners and their narrow tastes. Comic book never used to sexualize female characters. It started in the late 70s-80s.
There was a 1960s science fiction film The Earth Dies Screaming where the two leads were 60.
Elizabeth, the 1997 film, had a 50 something queen who I believe was involved in some military campaign.
The aim to promote strong women by Hollywood is insincere anyway. It's being done for political reasons, not as entertainment.
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Post by Pep Streebeck on Sept 6, 2018 15:59:17 GMT
I watched some superhero show on Netflix. The only white male characters were evil, or gay. Then there was one that turned out to be gay and evil. None of the evil characters were minorities, and the evil female characters ended up turning out to be victims who resorted to being evil as a result. It was a little over the top.
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