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Post by rachelcarson1953 on Sept 5, 2018 16:06:57 GMT
Every major religion has some form of the Golden Rule in their teaching. If need be I can at some point outlines all those references, chapter and verse.
I would say that this universal thought is the closest we can get to a universal moral, ethical 'code' If the Golden Rule was empathized emphasized in each group, instead of quibbling over all the finer points.
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Post by Aj_June on Sept 5, 2018 16:10:44 GMT
Every major religion has some form of the Golden Rule in their teaching. If need be I can at some point outlines all those references, chapter and verse. I would say that this universal thought is the closest we can get to a universal moral, ethical 'code' If the Golden Rule was empathized in each group, instead of quibbling over all the finer points. I am not an expert at behavioural psychology but yeah I do feel golden rule probably comes naturally to most of us. Can also see people 7000 years ago having a feeling of golden rule even if they could not express that well. It probably is a self defence mechanism for society at large.
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Post by general313 on Sept 5, 2018 16:24:23 GMT
Every major religion has some form of the Golden Rule in their teaching. If need be I can at some point outlines all those references, chapter and verse. I would say that this universal thought is the closest we can get to a universal moral, ethical 'code' If the Golden Rule was empathized in each group, instead of quibbling over all the finer points. Somebody recently brought up the Platinum Rule (treat other people how they want to be treated, not how you want to be treated), either here or in Politics. I think it's a good point: with Golden Rule thinking you may not consider if you're imposing your own tastes on others against their will. How the Platinum Rule Trumps the Golden Rule Every Time
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Post by Isapop on Sept 5, 2018 16:28:55 GMT
Every major religion has some form of the Golden Rule in their teaching. If need be I can at some point outlines all those references, chapter and verse. I would say that this universal thought is the closest we can get to a universal moral, ethical 'code' If the Golden Rule was empathized in each group, instead of quibbling over all the finer points. There's a version of that in a (terrible) Gene Hackman movie, Eureka, when his character says, "There's only one Golden Rule. Do unto others as you would have them do unto you. The rest is conversation".
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Post by Aj_June on Sept 5, 2018 16:30:21 GMT
Every major religion has some form of the Golden Rule in their teaching. If need be I can at some point outlines all those references, chapter and verse. I would say that this universal thought is the closest we can get to a universal moral, ethical 'code' If the Golden Rule was empathized in each group, instead of quibbling over all the finer points. Somebody recently brought up the Platinum Rule (treat other people how they want to be treated, not how you want to be treated), either here or in Politics. I think it's a good point: with Golden Rule thinking you may not consider if you're imposing your own tastes on others against their will. How the Platinum Rule Trumps the Golden Rule Every TimeThanks. Never heard of this term before. I think the more evolved and prosperous our society becomes the more chance of people showing traits of Plantinum Rule.
In my personal opinion though following these rules are not a matter of choice in all cases. Sometimes it sort of comes naturally to us. Though I do believe we can encourage and develop the habit in many people.
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Post by general313 on Sept 5, 2018 16:41:20 GMT
Somebody recently brought up the Platinum Rule (treat other people how they want to be treated, not how you want to be treated), either here or in Politics. I think it's a good point: with Golden Rule thinking you may not consider if you're imposing your own tastes on others against their will. How the Platinum Rule Trumps the Golden Rule Every TimeThanks. Never heard of this term before. I think the more evolved and prosperous our society becomes the more chance of people showing traits of Plantinum Rule.
In my personal opinion though following these rules are not a matter of choice in all cases. Sometimes it sort of comes naturally to us. Though I do believe we can encourage and develop the habit in many people.
It's a bit of a nuance, so saying "the Golden Rule is all wrong" is overstating it quite a bit. If you don't know much about a person, a good starting point is to assume they want the same basic things as you do, a reasonable assumption if you're crafting behavior to be applied to a broad group of strangers. The Golden Rule is way better than Trump's Rule.
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Post by captainbryce on Sept 5, 2018 17:28:41 GMT
Every major religion has some form of the Golden Rule in their teaching. If need be I can at some point outlines all those references, chapter and verse. I would say that this universal thought is the closest we can get to a universal moral, ethical 'code' If the Golden Rule was empathized in each group, instead of quibbling over all the finer points. The only problem is that The Golden Rule in itself is not an example of a perfect moral standard. There are secular moral standards (like The Platinum Rule) that are far superior.
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Sept 5, 2018 17:41:38 GMT
The Golden Rule is too slight to be a code. It’s more like a rule of thumb and if it is universal it is almost always connected with the particular teachings. And thus not universal.
Following those automatically begets Golden Rule behavior although people often fail to comprehend that and instead interpret their own version of it.
For example, preaching is an example of the Golden Rule in the Bible but many would resent being preached to and so their version would be that people should leave each other alone since that is what they want.
The list goes on and on for this.
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Post by rachelcarson1953 on Sept 5, 2018 19:04:29 GMT
Every major religion has some form of the Golden Rule in their teaching. If need be I can at some point outlines all those references, chapter and verse. I would say that this universal thought is the closest we can get to a universal moral, ethical 'code' If the Golden Rule was empathized in each group, instead of quibbling over all the finer points. Somebody recently brought up the Platinum Rule (treat other people how they want to be treated, not how you want to be treated), either here or in Politics. I think it's a good point: with Golden Rule thinking you may not consider if you're imposing your own tastes on others against their will. How the Platinum Rule Trumps the Golden Rule Every TimeInteresting; I had not ever heard of the Platinum Rule - I learned something new today! And it does do a better job than the Golden Rule, but it is the Golden Rule that is mentioned in the texts of every religion. I don't have the time right now to type out each version with chapter and verse, but it is contained in every religion's sacred text, whereas the Platinum is not (that I know of). Point being, if all religions could agree on the Golden Rule, they might have a more live-and-let-live attitude. But tribalism is strong, and that may always stand in the way. I actually gifted my Southern Baptist parents with a hand-lettered framed illustrated document of all those quotations, thinking that they would see and appreciate the similarity. Nope. It got tossed in the trunk of the car, glass broken, and stayed there for years until I borrowed the car and found it. I quietly kept it, made no comment, and my parents remained convinced that I wasn't 'saved'. And of course as an atheist, I'm not. But my mother still tries to drag me back into the fold. Oh, and I edited my original post to say 'emphasized', not 'empathized', but I figured that most of you had figured out that was a typo. Unforgivable for a proofreader!!! I'm going to literary hell!!!
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Post by rachelcarson1953 on Sept 5, 2018 19:09:59 GMT
Thanks. Never heard of this term before. I think the more evolved and prosperous our society becomes the more chance of people showing traits of Plantinum Rule.
In my personal opinion though following these rules are not a matter of choice in all cases. Sometimes it sort of comes naturally to us. Though I do believe we can encourage and develop the habit in many people.
It's a bit of a nuance, so saying "the Golden Rule is all wrong" is overstating it quite a bit. If you don't know much about a person, a good starting point is to assume they want the same basic things as you do, a reasonable assumption if you're crafting behavior to be applied to a broad group of strangers. The Golden Rule is way better than Trump's Rule.
That's for sure and for certain!
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Post by rachelcarson1953 on Sept 5, 2018 19:18:29 GMT
Every major religion has some form of the Golden Rule in their teaching. If need be I can at some point outlines all those references, chapter and verse. I would say that this universal thought is the closest we can get to a universal moral, ethical 'code' If the Golden Rule was empathized in each group, instead of quibbling over all the finer points. The only problem is that The Golden Rule in itself is not an example of a perfect moral standard. There are secular moral standards (like The Platinum Rule) that are far superior. Additionally, neither works for the sociopaths and psychopaths of the world, the unfortunate ones that cannot sympathize or empathize. Whether genetics and brain chemistry (nature) or psychology and environment (nurture), there are some people who will not connect with either rule and just go with "I want what I want, and I don't care what you want". And I think that attitude is becoming more prevalent in (at least) the US society. Sadly.
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Post by phludowin on Sept 5, 2018 20:25:43 GMT
Every major religion has some form of the Golden Rule in their teaching. If need be I can at some point outlines all those references, chapter and verse. I would say that this universal thought is the closest we can get to a universal moral, ethical 'code' If the Golden Rule was empathized emphasized in each group, instead of quibbling over all the finer points. Not only religions. Almost all ethical systems, also the atheistic ones. Even the most successful strategy in game theory, tit for tat, could be seen as a variation of the Golden Rule. Apparently it's built in in higher mammals; because it has been proven successful. If religions are ethical, it's because they apply humanistic ethics. Not the other way round.
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Post by rachelcarson1953 on Sept 5, 2018 21:04:29 GMT
Every major religion has some form of the Golden Rule in their teaching. If need be I can at some point outlines all those references, chapter and verse. I would say that this universal thought is the closest we can get to a universal moral, ethical 'code' If the Golden Rule was empathized emphasized in each group, instead of quibbling over all the finer points. Not only religions. Almost all ethical systems, also the atheistic ones. Even the most successful strategy in game theory, tit for tat, could be seen as a variation of the Golden Rule. Apparently it's built in in higher mammals; because it has been proven successful. If religions are ethical, it's because they apply humanistic ethics. Not the other way round.Excellent point. In both the Old and New Testaments, both God and Jesus made some pretty clear statements that were aggressive and controlling; case in point... I did not come to bring peace, but a sword., that's in Matthew, I believe.
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Post by thefleetsin on Sept 5, 2018 21:13:29 GMT
civilizing factors
i dreamed of a civilized place and woke up in a cesspool of humiliated disgrace balancing on the pretense that if there's a god sitting on your face one can vaporize humanity while pretending to build your case as if laws we're something more than you usurping what little grace we all had to begin with.
sjw 09/05/18 inspired at this very moment in time by the incestuous whining revolving around christ-oriented family matters.
from the 'blasphemy series' of poems
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Post by rachelcarson1953 on Sept 5, 2018 21:25:41 GMT
civilizing factors i dreamed of a civilized place and woke up in a cesspool of humiliated disgrace balancing on the pretense that if there's a god sitting on your face one can vaporize humanity while pretending to build your case as if laws we're something more than you usurping what little grace we all had to begin with. sjw 09/05/18 inspired at this very moment in time by the incestuous whining revolving around christ-oriented family matters. from the 'blasphemy series' of poems I was just thinking about you, stopped to eat just a bit before dashing off to deal with family situation again, came back here to log off, and there you were!
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Post by thefleetsin on Sept 5, 2018 21:39:36 GMT
i have been quite busy the last few days helping an old friend move. he thinks just because he is seventy five and i'm sixty three that i should do all the heavy lifting while he enjoys double daiquiris poured on the abs of college football players! ;-)
oh the humanities!!
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Post by rachelcarson1953 on Sept 6, 2018 4:27:06 GMT
i have been quite busy the last few days helping an old friend move. he thinks just because he is seventy five and i'm sixty three that i should do all the heavy lifting while he enjoys double daiquiris poured on the abs of college football players! ;-) oh the humanities!! LOL! I think we all have at least one friend like that! I'm 64, and my older friends call me a 'kid' and make me do all the hard stuff! We both need to develop 'issues' that give us an 'out' when we need it. I genuinely do get migraines, but some are more convenient than others!
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Post by thefleetsin on Sept 6, 2018 5:04:41 GMT
i have been quite busy the last few days helping an old friend move. he thinks just because he is seventy five and i'm sixty three that i should do all the heavy lifting while he enjoys double daiquiris poured on the abs of college football players! ;-) oh the humanities!! LOL! I think we all have at least one friend like that! I'm 64, and my older friends call me a 'kid' and make me do all the hard stuff! We both need to develop 'issues' that give us an 'out' when we need it. I genuinely do get migraines, but some are more convenient than others! i threaten to write naughty limericks about them and post them to the queen of england. ;-)
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