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Post by Aj_June on Sept 10, 2018 16:10:04 GMT
Of course I am an apatheist so my question is a bit meaningless because I already know there is one apathiest on this board. But what I mean is that is there anyone else apart from I who is an apatheist? Important point to note is that being an apatheist is a matter of attitude rather than belief or understanding. I have never believed in any god. Primarily because my parents never taught me to believe in any god and partly because I grew up with cousins who were not into religion. So ultimately the main reason for my lack of belief in god is my lack of interest due to the fact that no one wanted to educate me about God(s). Such a disinterest in god still continues for me and seems it will till I die. Because there are so many more important things that interest me (more important in my opinion).
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Post by Aj_June on Sept 10, 2018 16:22:53 GMT
It seems there are fake apatheists hovering around as well or may be I shouldn't call them fake but a bit excited apatheists.  I have no idea why I should be proud of being an apatheist like the person who made the above pic. I don't know his reasons so can't comment on him/her but being an apatheist is just a natural state of being for me. I have not earned it or made conscious decision to be an apatheist. So I have no reason to be proud of being an apatheist. This is one area where I severely disagree with many of my western brethren. I do not politicise these matters of attitude and existence. Can't ever see a state when I will be a proud apatheist. I will most likely always remain just an apatheist. |
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Post by Marv on Sept 10, 2018 16:55:41 GMT
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Post by Aj_June on Sept 10, 2018 16:57:54 GMT
Love you old boy -  Like minds have same attitude. |
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Post by rachelcarson1953 on Sept 10, 2018 17:31:17 GMT
It seems there are fake apatheists hovering around as well or may be I shouldn't call them fake but a bit excited apatheists. I have no idea why I should be proud of being an apatheist like the person who made the above pic. I don't know his reasons so can't comment on him/her but being an apatheist is just a natural state of being for me. I have not earned it or made conscious decision to be an apatheist. So I have no reason to be proud of being an apatheist. This is one area where I severely disagree with many of my western brethren. I do not politicise these matters of attitude and existence. Can't ever see a state when I will be a proud apatheist. I will most likely always remain just an apatheist. A proud apatheist - a bit of an oxymoron, hmm? I think one can be an apatheist only if raised like you. For someone who has had religion imposed on them as a child, it's a battle to assert what you no longer believe. I, for one, am constantly railing against what I perceive as attempts to get me to believe again. It's tiring, but in the context of my life, I constantly have to maintain barriers. I suppose if I liquidated my life, moved somewhere that no one knew me, I could be apatheist, but at my age... those roots are pretty long and deep, though the more reclusive I can be, the better. But until my mother passes away, resisting religion will be an issue for me. At 95, she is still determined to bring me back into the herd. |
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Post by Aj_June on Sept 10, 2018 17:39:07 GMT
It seems there are fake apatheists hovering around as well or may be I shouldn't call them fake but a bit excited apatheists. I have no idea why I should be proud of being an apatheist like the person who made the above pic. I don't know his reasons so can't comment on him/her but being an apatheist is just a natural state of being for me. I have not earned it or made conscious decision to be an apatheist. So I have no reason to be proud of being an apatheist. This is one area where I severely disagree with many of my western brethren. I do not politicise these matters of attitude and existence. Can't ever see a state when I will be a proud apatheist. I will most likely always remain just an apatheist. A proud apatheist - a bit of an oxymoron, hmm? I think one can be an apatheist only if raised like you. For someone who has had religion imposed on them as a child, it's a battle to assert what you no longer believe. I, for one, am constantly railing against what I perceive as attempts to get me to believe again. It's tiring, but in the context of my life, I constantly have to maintain barriers. I suppose if I liquidated my life, moved somewhere that no one knew me, I could be apatheist, but at my age... those roots are pretty long and deep, though the more reclusive I can be, the better. But until my mother passes away, resisting religion will be an issue for me. At 95, she is still determined to bring me back into the herd. Exactly. You used the most correct word "Oxymoron". An apatheist doesn't do logical reasoning and then arrive at conclusion that apatheism is the right thing. One just happens to be an apatheist. He/she simply lacks interest in god(s) for various reasons such as never having been in circle of very hardcore theists or simply because more important cultural things interested him or her in life. For example, cricket was the most important thing in my childhood. I didn't have time to ask questions about god because when I was back from school I started playing cricket.
Yes, I can see people who were raised in theist atmosphere being proud of finally giving away their former belief which might have been forced on them. I can also see someone proud to be religious after not being for all her life.
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Sept 10, 2018 18:27:23 GMT
I assume most non-religious fall into this category.
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Post by Aj_June on Sept 10, 2018 18:32:34 GMT
I assume most non-religious fall into this category. May be you are true but I think most eastern non-religious fall into this category. Western non-religious usually claim to reject on basis of having critically examined things or after not being satisfied before. While it is true that if you ask a particular apatheist to critically examine things then she may say that after examining she found no evidence of god, usually apatheists don't do that thing. Western concept of religious vs non-religious is more heated than the eastern concept.
Are you an apatheist? I am not sure 100% but I think I may have first known about this term from you or someone similar to you.
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Post by general313 on Sept 10, 2018 19:12:59 GMT
Of course I am an apatheist so my question is a bit meaningless because I already know there is one apathiest on this board. But what I mean is that is there anyone else apart from I who is an apatheist? Important point to note is that being an apatheist is a matter of attitude rather than belief or understanding. I have never believed in any god. Primarily because my parents never taught me to believe in any god and partly because I grew up with cousins who were not into religion. So ultimately the main reason for my lack of belief in god is my lack of interest due to the fact that no one wanted to educate me about God(s). Such a disinterest in god still continues for me and seems it will till I die. Because there are so many more important things that interest me (more important in my opinion).
Does this extend to the zone where religion and politics mix? I hope you're not apathetic to bigotry and religious discrimination. That is why I'm unlikely to ever be disinterested in religious claims. |
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Post by Aj_June on Sept 10, 2018 19:20:20 GMT
Of course I am an apatheist so my question is a bit meaningless because I already know there is one apathiest on this board. But what I mean is that is there anyone else apart from I who is an apatheist? Important point to note is that being an apatheist is a matter of attitude rather than belief or understanding. I have never believed in any god. Primarily because my parents never taught me to believe in any god and partly because I grew up with cousins who were not into religion. So ultimately the main reason for my lack of belief in god is my lack of interest due to the fact that no one wanted to educate me about God(s). Such a disinterest in god still continues for me and seems it will till I die. Because there are so many more important things that interest me (more important in my opinion).
Does this extend to the zone where religion and politics mix? I hope you're not apathetic to bigotry and religious discrimination. That is why I'm unlikely to ever be disinterested in religious claims. I have not really done any extensive study of the word but my assumption is that the word apatheist is primarily limited to disinterestedness in enquiry of God. I don't think it covers anything more. Not even enquiry of other supernatural beliefs such as rebirth or existence of soul. Whether an individual apatheist is apathetic to other things such as religious bigotry may just depend on her experiences/background/political beliefs. It might not necessarily depend on his apatheism. |
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Post by phludowin on Sept 10, 2018 20:25:03 GMT
Not sure if I fit into this category.
I don't believe in a deity, but I don't consider the existence of a deity impossible. It's just that there is no convincing evidence (to me) for the existence of a deity.
I tend to be materialist; and I believe that if a deity existed, it would be possible to know about it.
Which is why I usually call myself a non-agnostic weak atheist.
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Sept 10, 2018 20:25:15 GMT
I assume most non-religious fall into this category. May be you are true but I think most eastern non-religious fall into this category. Western non-religious usually claim to reject on basis of having critically examined things or after not being satisfied before. While it is true that if you ask a particular apatheist to critically examine things then she may say that after examining she found no evidence of god, usually apatheists don't do that thing. Western concept of religious vs non-religious is more heated than the eastern concept.
Are you an apatheist? I am not sure 100% but I think I may have first known about this term from you or someone similar to you.
I am not one. I am wholeheartedly a believer in God of the Bible. I am apathetic toward people believing the same. I don;t really agree with the notion that people critically examine anything. They go off their gut and then look for sources to verify the view. There's literally nothing they would have of more weight than me, but it is the thing they want and so it's fine for them to think so. Of course one's can change their mind regarding religious beliefs, that's how I got to where I am now, but often the notion of belief and what made them stop believing have little to do with each other. |
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Post by phludowin on Sept 10, 2018 20:57:50 GMT
It seems there are fake apatheists hovering around as well or may be I shouldn't call them fake but a bit excited apatheists. I have no idea why I should be proud of being an apatheist like the person who made the above pic. I don't know his reasons so can't comment on him/her but being an apatheist is just a natural state of being for me. I have not earned it or made conscious decision to be an apatheist. So I have no reason to be proud of being an apatheist. This is one area where I severely disagree with many of my western brethren. I do not politicise these matters of attitude and existence. Can't ever see a state when I will be a proud apatheist. I will most likely always remain just an apatheist. A proud apatheist - a bit of an oxymoron, hmm? I take this sign to be a bit tongue in cheek. Like the sayings "Thank God I'm an atheist", or "It's unlucky to be superstitious". |
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Post by thefleetsin on Sept 10, 2018 21:41:45 GMT
when god smack has been active for century upon century mind screwing the planet, it is ridiculous to be apathetic towards this.
grow some balls and stand up to the stupid.
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Post by Arlon10 on Sept 10, 2018 23:02:41 GMT
You might be surprised how much the feeling is mutual. Far and away most people who believe in a god don't care what you think either. Life is indeed too short for that.
I think nonreligious people of various intensities look at the few "crazies" in religion and mistakenly belief all religion is that crazy. It's not and many atheists are.
One "good" outcome of the Trump administration is that it will finally be shown that they are not religious and can quit giving religion a bad name.
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Post by Aj_June on Sept 11, 2018 1:35:58 GMT
You might be surprised how much the feeling is mutual. Far and away most people who believe in a god don't care what you think either. Life is indeed too short for that. I think nonreligious people of various intensities look at the few "crazies" in religion and mistakenly belief all religion is that crazy. It's not and many atheists are. One "good" outcome of the Trump administration is that it will finally be shown that they are not religious and can quit giving religion a bad name. I have absolutely no problems with religious not caring about what I think. It's their life and they are welcome to not think about me or my attitude. |
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Post by Aj_June on Sept 11, 2018 1:42:17 GMT
Not sure if I fit into this category. I don't believe in a deity, but I don't consider the existence of a deity impossible. It's just that there is no convincing evidence (to me) for the existence of a deity. I tend to be materialist; and I believe that if a deity existed, it would be possible to know about it. Which is why I usually call myself a non-agnostic weak atheist. I think you are non-agnostic atheist though I think some people may not differentiate between agnostic atheist and non-agnostic atheist. Is there any major difference?
I don't think you are apatheist. These people (apatheists) are not even willing to spend time on examining the possible existence of God. They simply do not take an interest in the subject.
While it is easy to agree that most known gods are made up by mankind (because of extremely inconsistent claims of religious people) , as an apatheist I wouldn't spend time on examining whether some idealistic God exists or not.
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Post by Aj_June on Sept 11, 2018 1:47:03 GMT
May be you are true but I think most eastern non-religious fall into this category. Western non-religious usually claim to reject on basis of having critically examined things or after not being satisfied before. While it is true that if you ask a particular apatheist to critically examine things then she may say that after examining she found no evidence of god, usually apatheists don't do that thing. Western concept of religious vs non-religious is more heated than the eastern concept.
Are you an apatheist? I am not sure 100% but I think I may have first known about this term from you or someone similar to you.
I am not one. I am wholeheartedly a believer in God of the Bible. I am apathetic toward people believing the same. I don;t really agree with the notion that people critically examine anything. They go off their gut and then look for sources to verify the view. There's literally nothing they would have of more weight than me, but it is the thing they want and so it's fine for them to think so. Of course one's can change their mind regarding religious beliefs, that's how I got to where I am now, but often the notion of belief and what made them stop believing have little to do with each other. Actually, I know you are a Christian. The second part of that post was addressed to "Cactus". Sorry I was not clear enough. It seems his username is not spelled in alphabets. It consists mainly of cactus symbol 🌵 |
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Post by Aj_June on Sept 11, 2018 1:53:59 GMT
when god smack has been active for century upon century mind screwing the planet, it is ridiculous to be apathetic towards this. grow some balls and stand up to the stupid. Nope. You are confusing the different levels of motivations others have. Unlike you I didn't grow up religious. Religion never held any power over me. I didn't have to let go of it like you had to. Unlike you I do not believe religion or god is worthy of consuming any of my time. I am happy not thinking about god unlike you. As for what righteous things one should do. That is one's choice to make. Just because one is apathetic to God doesn't mean one is apathetic to suffering of others. More power to you in your endeavours but be less judgemental about others.
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Post by Arlon10 on Sept 11, 2018 2:02:22 GMT
You might be surprised how much the feeling is mutual. Far and away most people who believe in a god don't care what you think either. Life is indeed too short for that. I think nonreligious people of various intensities look at the few "crazies" in religion and mistakenly belief all religion is that crazy. It's not and many atheists are. One "good" outcome of the Trump administration is that it will finally be shown that they are not religious and can quit giving religion a bad name. I have absolutely no problems with religious not caring about what I think. It's their life and they are welcome to not think about me or my attitude. Now that we've established what does not matter perhaps there can be a meaningful conversation about the things that do. |
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