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Post by amyghost on Sept 12, 2018 15:14:35 GMT
When you say "quotes you can't find" do you mean what I'm quoting "spiritually fruitful" in my post? Im referencing it to this verse: Galatians 5:22-23 :
But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, forbearance, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control. Against such things there is no law.Fruit is used in a spiritual sense here and I saw the connection between that and the fruit of the fig tree. So many other verses in the Bible show how the fig tree is metaphorical so I thought that would help represent the metaphor more. The literal fig tree itself isn't so important in these stories, but the physical state of the fig tree is important when teaching the metaphor. Also, you're analyzing this as if it were a true story in a literal sense. To me it's a just a story showing a metaphorical truth. If you believe this was an actual historical event than I could understand your point more. I also understand why someone would wonder why Jesus would kill a tree just because it didn't have fruit. It would be seen unnecessary to physically kill a tree just to teach a point, but telling a story about someone killing a tree and what the tree represents without actually harming any tree in the process could still effectively get the message across. Aye, and there's the rub. Aren't we told, both in the Bible and in Christian teaching in general that Jesus is The Way, The Truth and The Light? Isn't everything he says (as indeed, every word in the bible) supposedly literally true? Yet, what we find is a figure and a book that repeatedly has to be 'interpreted', 'explained' and dissected by the supposedly learned for the benefit of the supposedly unlearned. Jesus' message, god's message, are supposedly so simple and plain, a three-year-old child (or even vegas for that matter) can understand it. So why the need for all the filterings, readings, and interpretations that are subject to whatever the person reading them wants to place on those words and teachings? Couldn't Jesus simply speak plainly, in language so plain that not even the passage of millenia could alter the simple truth of what he said? Some Christians (most I'd imagine) would answer why yes, and that this is already the case. So again--why the need for countless explications that can be re-arranged to fit whatever construction any individual chooses to place upon them? We know that Jesus more than once spoke in 'parables' that even his own followers couldn't understand--and why, if he was Son o' God, should that be the case? He couldn't explain things in the literal, truthful, simple manner Christianity credits him with? All the obfuscatory language and need for countless explanations and varying readings points heavily to one thing, and most Christians know what this is. And they're afraid to admit to this, because it would blow apart the myth that their savior was anything but a man, in fact a divine being, chief messenger of god. Problem is, his 'message' is frequently so garbled, it takes hundreds of thousands of 'explainers' down the centuries to try and tell us what that message is; and after all the years, it's obvious hardly any two people in a room can yet agree on precisely what that message was. That doesn't sound like the utterances of someone whose every word and act was to be taken, ever, as 'gospel truth'. |
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Post by amyghost on Sept 12, 2018 15:16:42 GMT
Aye, and there's the rub. Aren't we told, both in the Bible and in Christian teaching in general that Jesus is The Way, The Truth and The Light? Isn't everything he says (as indeed, every word in the bible) supposedly literally true? Yet, what we find is a figure and a book that repeatedly has to be 'interpreted', 'explained' and dissected by the supposedly learned for the benefit of the supposedly unlearned. Jesus' message, god's message, are supposedly so simple and plain, a three-year-old child (or even vegas for that matter) can understand it. So why the need for all the filterings, readings, and interpretations that are subject to whatever the person reading them wants to place on those words and teachings? Couldn't Jesus simply speak plainly, in language so plain that not even the passage of millenia could alter the simple truth of what he said? Some Christians (most I'd imagine) would answer why yes, and that this is already the case. So again--why the need for countless explications that can be re-arranged to fit whatever construction any individual chooses to place upon them? We know that Jesus more than once spoke in 'parables' that even his own followers couldn't understand--and why, if he was Son o' God, should that be the case? He couldn't explain things in the literal, truthful, simple manner Christianity credits him with? All the obfuscatory language and need for countless explanations and varying readings points heavily to one thing, and most Christians know what this is. And they're afraid to admit to this, because it would blow apart the myth that their savior was anything but a man, in fact a divine being, chief messenger of god. Problem is, his 'message' is frequently so garbled, it takes hundreds of thousands of 'explainers' down the centuries to try and tell us what that message is; and after all the years, it's obvious hardly any two people in a room can yet agree on precisely what that message was. That doesn't sound like the utterances of someone whose every word and act was to be taken, ever, as 'gospel truth'. So, basically, if Chx and Rabbit had a baby.... It would be this moron.  Meanwhile, you're the only one in this thread that still can't comprehend the most basic of metaphors. You don't get to cast any stones here. Do you understand that reference?... or do you need that three-year-old to explain that one to you, too? Let Monicah speak for himself. In the meantime, why should I hunt up a three year old when I already have one right here? |
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Post by Vegas on Sept 12, 2018 15:50:20 GMT
So, basically, if Chx and Rabbit had a baby.... It would be this moron. Meanwhile, you're the only one in this thread that still can't comprehend the most basic of metaphors. You don't get to cast any stones here. Do you understand that reference?... or do you need that three-year-old to explain that one to you, too? Let Monicah speak for himself. In the meantime, why should I hunt up a three year old when I already have one right here? Beings how since you haven't backed up anything other then meaningless, and rather dim-witted, insults for several posts.. I'll consider this conversation over. Sure.. I will still call you a fucking moron... but... at least, I'll usually follow it up (or precede it) with WHY I call you a fucking moron. Just going back and forth with inane and meaningless insults with somebody who isn't really good at it.... gets kinda boring.  Hopefully somebody will explain to you the metaphor (again)… and, then., probably have to explain to you what a metaphor is. Have fun being a mindless cnut.  |
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Post by Vegas on Sept 12, 2018 15:54:07 GMT
I'm hereby nominating this thread for the annual awards for the "thread that started out with an intelligent premise, but deteriorated into the dullest thread imaginable" category.
It did become intelligent though That's the funny part... This all started with a simple "You're making up a point in the title just to make a point of the point that you are making up." |
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Sept 12, 2018 16:01:52 GMT
well it wasn’t really an intelligent premise as much as it was a Bible quote with silly title.
It did become intelligent though That's the funny part... This all started with a simple "You're making up a point in the title just to make a point of the point that you are making up." Plus they still have no interest in discussing the reason the verse was there. It’s odd behavior. |
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Post by rachelcarson1953 on Sept 12, 2018 16:06:37 GMT
well it wasn’t really an intelligent premise as much as it was a Bible quote with silly title.
It did become intelligent though That's the funny part... This all started with a simple "You're making up a point in the title just to make a point of the point that you are making up." Vegas, just stop. Bask for a while in your 4,000 post status, then come back to another thread and give the ad hominems a rest. |
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Post by drystyx on Sept 12, 2018 16:06:44 GMT
well it wasn’t really an intelligent premise as much as it was a Bible quote with silly title.
It did become intelligent though That's the funny part... This all started with a simple "You're making up a point in the title just to make a point of the point that you are making up." You and cool JG couldn't have it more backwards. The post was a quote from the bible, and the meaning is clear. Yet the thread did NOT become intelligent, with several pages of the goofiest complaints imaginable, and it became as dull as everything else in this world, with feeble minds thinking they're intelligent minds. Ironic. But I don't expect your feeble minds to admit it. I look down on this thread and I see a bunch of chickens scurrying around with their heads cut off, squawking and making noise, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing. |
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Post by Vegas on Sept 12, 2018 16:08:52 GMT
Meanwhile, you're the only one in this thread that still can't comprehend the most basic of metaphors. You don't get to cast any stones here. Do you understand that reference?... or do you need that three-year-old to explain that one to you, too? In the meantime, why should I hunt up a three year old when I already have one right here? You cited ME in YOUR reply, dipshit. See?... I call you a dipshit after I point out why you are worthy of being called a dipshit. |
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Post by rachelcarson1953 on Sept 12, 2018 16:09:43 GMT
All of you, just stop. Enough. Let this thread rest in peace.
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Post by Vegas on Sept 12, 2018 16:12:39 GMT
Enough. Let this thread rest in peace. Just like that poor, poor fig tree....  edit: Is that supposed to be some kind of insult?  |
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Sept 12, 2018 16:12:59 GMT
That's the funny part... This all started with a simple "You're making up a point in the title just to make a point of the point that you are making up." You and cool JG couldn't have it more backwards. The post was a quote from the bible, and the meaning is clear. Yet the thread did NOT become intelligent, with several pages of the goofiest complaints imaginable, and it became as dull as everything else in this world, with feeble minds thinking they're intelligent minds. Ironic. But I don't expect your feeble minds to admit it. I look down on this thread and I see a bunch of chickens scurrying around with their heads cut off, squawking and making noise, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing. i agree with you in the sense that the Bible quote itself is intelligent. The thread itself not so much and it certainly had nothing to do with a few of us actually wanting to discuss the verse rather than the goofiness of tree murder and whether that’s some kind of weird contradiction of Jesus character. It would be interesting to see what you thought the thread should be about to make it intelligent lol. |
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Post by rachelcarson1953 on Sept 12, 2018 16:17:04 GMT
Third time... JUST STOP.
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Post by Vegas on Sept 12, 2018 16:23:44 GMT
 YOU HEARD THE LADY,
YOU KNUCKLEHEADS.....
AM-SCRAY!! |
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Post by amyghost on Sept 12, 2018 17:03:37 GMT
YOU HEARD THE LADY,
YOU KNUCKLEHEADS.....
AM-SCRAY!! Is that the only way you can get attention ? |
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Post by amyghost on Sept 12, 2018 17:20:28 GMT
Let Monicah speak for himself. In the meantime, why should I hunt up a three year old when I already have one right here? You cited ME in YOUR reply, dipshit. See?... I call you a dipshit after I point out why you are worthy of being called a dipshit. My response was addressed to Monicah, not you. Put you inner idiot in park for a while. |
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Post by amyghost on Sept 12, 2018 17:29:34 GMT
Just going back and forth with inane and meaningless insults with somebody who isn't really good at it.... gets kinda boring.Once again, Vegas nails it  .
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Post by Vegas on Sept 12, 2018 17:59:53 GMT
You cited ME in YOUR reply, dipshit. See?... I call you a dipshit after I point out why you are worthy of being called a dipshit. My response was addressed to Monicah, not you. Put you inner idiot in park for a while. But... YOU REFERENCED ME IN THAT POST... DIPSHIT. You don't want me responding to a post not meant to me... Leave me out of them. That's twice this has to be explained to you. You can call me an idiot all you want... It's meaningless coming from an actual idiot.  See?... I actually take the time to explain to you WHY you're an idiot.. Twice. I'm sure with a retard like you..... it will at least take one more time.  |
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Post by Vegas on Sept 12, 2018 18:02:04 GMT
YOU HEARD THE LADY,
YOU KNUCKLEHEADS.....
AM-SCRAY!! Is that the only way you can get attention ? Yeah... My money is on this dipshit being Rabbit. All insult. No brains. |
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Post by general313 on Sept 12, 2018 19:10:43 GMT
Would I be making an unfounded assumption if I thought any participants in this thread were pissed?
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Post by Vegas on Sept 12, 2018 19:18:28 GMT
Would I be making an unfounded assumption if I thought any participants in this thread were pissed? I'm not. I do this for entertainment. The day that I actually get pissed about something someone said in a thread... I find a new way to kill some time. |
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