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Post by Hauntedknight87 on Sept 15, 2018 12:44:41 GMT
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Post by politicidal on Sept 15, 2018 16:35:13 GMT
It's hard to say otherwise. Even if the movies were good after all, they would have been overshadowed by simply the announcement of a new Wolverine movie.
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Post by ThatGuy on Sept 15, 2018 16:42:48 GMT
I don't know. X-men in the comics kinda lost favor in the early 2000s. Their name was still kicking because of the Fox movies.* Would the X-men still be kicking if Fox weren't "forced"** to make movies? Feige was a producer on the 1st 3 X-men movies (plus everything else until F4-2). The MCU seems to be a product of that. Like an antithesis of the X-men movies. As if he'd said "We are going to make our movies closer to the comics." So what if the X-men movies never existed and Feige started the MCU in 2008 still and had all the characters like WB. Would he still have made the MCU as is, but with the X-men and F4 integrated? I'm thinking that instead of Guardians movies we would have had a Silver Surfer movie. There would have been a couple F4 movies in there. Maybe where Iron Man 2 or Thor 2 is. Infinity War would have been 3-4 years from now. Age of Ultron probably would have been an X-men movie. Maybe no Incredible Hulk. I think a lot of the movies would have had characters from previous movies appear. Kinda like Spider-man Homecoming. Or even make their 1st appearance like Black Panther and Spider-man in Civil War. Wolverine in First Avenger and such.
I think people put too much stock in X-men being super popular in the 90s.
*But at the same time, did the X-men comics wane because they were trying to copy the movies?
**Meaning if they said "Screw it these movies aren't worth not making that Spider-man money" and just let the rights slip.
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Post by dazz on Sept 15, 2018 17:01:48 GMT
It's hard to say, it wouldn't have changed Marvel too much just based on how Marvel studios came about, they wouldn't have taken the easy route because they couldn't afford to, we would have seen a slight change in the game plan, if we take it that Marvel got back the rights after Last Stand, MArvel wouldn't have released a new X-Men film for atleast 3 years, given that's the common downtime they leave between movies of the same franchise, so we would have likely got IM1, TIH, IM2, Thor, X-Men of some kind, Cap then Avengers, they likely would have kept their brands separate from each other to a degree, the intent being X-Men Vs Avengers being the thing they built to.
X-Men as an ensemble wouldn't have taken away from Avengers because we had X-Men movies out there already, it didn't take away from the Avengers coming together, nor have X-Men ever achieve the heights of Avengers, at best they match the heights of the OG avengers solo sequel movies.
X-Men may have altered the shape of the MCU but I doubt it would have made it worse just based off of the position Marvel was put in and how Marvel have shown a pattern of their behaviour, most I could see them changing is IM2 wouldn't have been rushed because they would use X-Men as a safety net in 2010 or 2011 and so we would have got no sequels in Phase 1, on Part 2's in Phase 2 and the individual trilogies coming to an end in Phase 3.
Though another factor may have been the money Marvel made off of Fox's back, as a production partner shouldn't Marvel have earned money for the X-Men films, but then Disney would have still brought Marvel just likely to have been for a higher amount so maybe it wouldn't matter anyway.
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Post by summers8 on Sept 15, 2018 17:22:51 GMT
I don't know. X-men in the comics kinda lost favor in the early 2000s. Their name was still kicking because of the Fox movies.* Would the X-men still be kicking if Fox weren't "forced"** to make movies? Feige was a producer on the 1st 3 X-men movies (plus everything else until F4-2). The MCU seems to be a product of that. Like an antithesis of the X-men movies. As if he'd said "We are going to make our movies closer to the comics." So what if the X-men movies never existed and Feige started the MCU in 2008 still and had all the characters like WB. Would he still have made the MCU as is, but with the X-men and F4 integrated? I'm thinking that instead of Guardians movies we would have had a Silver Surfer movie. There would have been a couple F4 movies in there. Maybe where Iron Man 2 or Thor 2 is. Infinity War would have been 3-4 years from now. Age of Ultron probably would have been an X-men movie. Maybe no Incredible Hulk. I think a lot of the movies would have had characters from previous movies appear. Kinda like Spider-man Homecoming. Or even make their 1st appearance like Black Panther and Spider-man in Civil War. Wolverine in First Avenger and such. I think people put too much stock in X-men being super popular in the 90s. *But at the same time, did the X-men comics wane because they were trying to copy the movies? **Meaning if they said "Screw it these movies aren't worth not making that Spider-man money" and just let the rights slip. Once again, you get it wrong as usual and you lie. the cut the story short. mcu would have been worse since their xmen movie will be iron man of 2008 easily taken down by TDK that year and for xmen, it would have been a killer since iron man 2008 is not even as good as a parter episode of xmen tas . people will see TDK as a better xmen movie in 2008 due to the tone and content of TDK. x-men iron man would have been embarrassing.
As for popularity, why are mcu fans so obsessed that xmen and spiderman were alone doing their own thing? real popular franchises are franchises that can stand on their own, stand the test of time and take beatings and still stand tall and come back doing it for decades with no Disney helping them. xmen, batman, spiderman now in games and the sam raimi legacy, this is 2018 right? what mcu movie has been as respected as the best of the xmen movies? also check out what Popularity truly means when MCU disney attempted to make an Oscar popular category for mcu, we saw how not popular that was causing mcu embarrassment the award has gotten yanked. that is a reflection of mcu movies. popular for dummies and kids not for real people.
In the nutshell MCU movie are so weak and painfully bad, their fans were psychologically bothered that other marvel movies were getting real respect and taken seriously not under the MCU and that was what X-Men and older spiderman movies represented. so yeah, MCU X-Men would be worse. since we will never had had movies like X2 and Spiderman 2. still the better than all the marvel movies compared to iron man 1, hulk, iron man 2 and the disneyfied comedy that followed.
Also, remember marvel comics as a whole fell of the map once disney came alone and started disneyfing things. disney tried to blame it on diversity but fans felt disney movie politics was interfering. Bob Iger and Disney killed marvel comics.
LOL. still not capable of telling the truth? so sad, but when you think about it. xmen 2000 opened the movie in nazi camps that changed the mindset of what a comic movie is. iron man 2008 opened with? I think tony partying and having fun....and they ask why TDK had it so easy in 2008.
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Post by summers8 on Sept 15, 2018 17:23:48 GMT
I think MCU would have died asap if iron man 2008 was their xmen movie.
TDK coming out in july would have been the sad burial.
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Post by summers8 on Sept 15, 2018 17:37:46 GMT
It's hard to say, it wouldn't have changed Marvel too much just based on how Marvel studios came about, they wouldn't have taken the easy route because they couldn't afford to, we would have seen a slight change in the game plan, if we take it that Marvel got back the rights after Last Stand, MArvel wouldn't have released a new X-Men film for atleast 3 years, given that's the common downtime they leave between movies of the same franchise, so we would have likely got IM1, TIH, IM2, Thor, X-Men of some kind, Cap then Avengers, they likely would have kept their brands separate from each other to a degree, the intent being X-Men Vs Avengers being the thing they built to. X-Men as an ensemble wouldn't have taken away from Avengers because we had X-Men movies out there already, it didn't take away from the Avengers coming together, nor have X-Men ever achieve the heights of Avengers, at best they match the heights of the OG avengers solo sequel movies. X-Men may have altered the shape of the MCU but I doubt it would have made it worse just based off of the position Marvel was put in and how Marvel have shown a pattern of their behaviour, most I could see them changing is IM2 wouldn't have been rushed because they would use X-Men as a safety net in 2010 or 2011 and so we would have got no sequels in Phase 1, on Part 2's in Phase 2 and the individual trilogies coming to an end in Phase 3. Though another factor may have been the money Marvel made off of Fox's back, as a production partner shouldn't Marvel have earned money for the X-Men films, but then Disney would have still brought Marvel just likely to have been for a higher amount so maybe it wouldn't matter anyway. Now I think about it, it would have been better if mcu actually made xmen 1 as the grounded themed drama it was, instead of iron man 2008 as the light hearted fun adventure it was, meaning it would have been much harder for mcu to have gone full childish cgi driven comedy even with Disney because X-Men 1 would be an anomaly for Marvel and Disney may not have had the power to change much but then I could be wrong. look at star wars.
the first avengers movies would have been much more serious , had a deeper plot and had depth, more like X-men 2 or batman begins or at least spiderman 2, if you don't want to be all that grounded but still be very be character driven and have high stakes.
Good thing as for 2018 xmen movies kept the quality, creative and respectable side of marvel thanks to Logan, DOFP, Deadpool, which ended up beating out all the mcu movies in their year of release as the best comic films. while mcu became more of the disney childish jokey side of marvel that ended up harming the genre and hurting the entire marvel brand, that even many xmen actors (Ian Mckellen, Tye Sheridan, Jjames Mangold) don't like to get linked with MCU movies.
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Post by dazz on Sept 15, 2018 17:47:47 GMT
It's hard to say, it wouldn't have changed Marvel too much just based on how Marvel studios came about, they wouldn't have taken the easy route because they couldn't afford to, we would have seen a slight change in the game plan, if we take it that Marvel got back the rights after Last Stand, MArvel wouldn't have released a new X-Men film for atleast 3 years, given that's the common downtime they leave between movies of the same franchise, so we would have likely got IM1, TIH, IM2, Thor, X-Men of some kind, Cap then Avengers, they likely would have kept their brands separate from each other to a degree, the intent being X-Men Vs Avengers being the thing they built to. X-Men as an ensemble wouldn't have taken away from Avengers because we had X-Men movies out there already, it didn't take away from the Avengers coming together, nor have X-Men ever achieve the heights of Avengers, at best they match the heights of the OG avengers solo sequel movies. X-Men may have altered the shape of the MCU but I doubt it would have made it worse just based off of the position Marvel was put in and how Marvel have shown a pattern of their behaviour, most I could see them changing is IM2 wouldn't have been rushed because they would use X-Men as a safety net in 2010 or 2011 and so we would have got no sequels in Phase 1, on Part 2's in Phase 2 and the individual trilogies coming to an end in Phase 3. Though another factor may have been the money Marvel made off of Fox's back, as a production partner shouldn't Marvel have earned money for the X-Men films, but then Disney would have still brought Marvel just likely to have been for a higher amount so maybe it wouldn't matter anyway. Now I think about it, it would have been better if mcu actually made xmen 1 as the grounded themed drama it was, instead of iron man 2008 as the light hearted fun adventure it was, meaning it would have been much harder for mcu to have gone full childish cgi driven comedy even with Disney because X-Men 1 would be an anomaly for Marvel and Disney may not have had the power to change much but then I could be wrong. look at star wars.
the first avengers movies would have been much more serious , had a deeper plot and had depth, more like X-men 2 or batman begins or at least spiderman 2, if you don't want to be all that grounded but still be very be character driven and have high stakes.
Good thing as for 2018 xmen movies kept the quality, creative and respectable side of marvel thanks to Logan, DOFP, Deadpool, which ended up beating out all the mcu movies in their year of release as the best comic films. while mcu became more of the disney childish jokey side of marvel that ended up harming the genre and hurting the entire marvel brand, that even many xmen actors (Ian Mckellen, Tye Sheridan, Jjames Mangold) don't like to get linked with MCU movies.
What in the blue fuck are you gibbering about? you make less sense than a drunk orangutan trying to play scrabble. |
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Post by summers8 on Sept 15, 2018 17:57:11 GMT
Now I think about it, it would have been better if mcu actually made xmen 1 as the grounded themed drama it was, instead of iron man 2008 as the light hearted fun adventure it was, meaning it would have been much harder for mcu to have gone full childish cgi driven comedy even with Disney because X-Men 1 would be an anomaly for Marvel and Disney may not have had the power to change much but then I could be wrong. look at star wars.
the first avengers movies would have been much more serious , had a deeper plot and had depth, more like X-men 2 or batman begins or at least spiderman 2, if you don't want to be all that grounded but still be very be character driven and have high stakes.
Good thing as for 2018 xmen movies kept the quality, creative and respectable side of marvel thanks to Logan, DOFP, Deadpool, which ended up beating out all the mcu movies in their year of release as the best comic films. while mcu became more of the disney childish jokey side of marvel that ended up harming the genre and hurting the entire marvel brand, that even many xmen actors (Ian Mckellen, Tye Sheridan, Jjames Mangold) don't like to get linked with MCU movies.
What in the blue fuck are you gibbering about? you make less sense than a drunk orangutan trying to play scrabble. oh, right... I forgot mcu fans are the least educated people and talking in a compelling matter makes little sense to them. let me make it easier for you mcu dummies.
Imagine if iron man 1..a light hearted fun adventure with no depth was actually x-men 1? the result would have been disastrous for an xmen movie, especially when a movie like TDK came out 8 weeks later. how will MCU have justified people's opinions that TDK is what an xmen movie should have been like not iron man 1 (x-men 1)?
once again, I lay down the reality of things, MCU fans have no real comeback...that is what the truth is about and when you don't live in the disney la la land.
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Post by dazz on Sept 15, 2018 18:06:13 GMT
What in the blue fuck are you gibbering about? you make less sense than a drunk orangutan trying to play scrabble. oh, right... I forgot mcu fans are the least educated people and talking in a compelling matter makes little sense to them. let me make it easier for you mcu dummies.
Imagine if iron man 1..a light hearted fun adventure with no depth was actually x-men 1? the result would have been disastrous for an xmen movie, especially when a movie like TDK came out 8 weeks later. how will MCU have justified people's opinions that TDK is what an xmen movie should have been like not iron man 1 (x-men 1)?
once again, I lay down the reality of things, MCU fans have no real comeback...that is what the truth is about and when you don't live in the disney la la land.
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No it's because you make no sense and are a fucking retard.
Are you saying what if they made their first X-Men film in the vein of IM1 in 2008, or are you saying what if IM1 was done in the vein of X-Men 1, also are you just saying X-Men 1 as the first of a new batch of X films by the MCU or are you referring to the actual X-Men 1 we got in 2000 is now the open salvo to the MCU?
That's what im referring to because you are talking utter gibberish you fucking plank.
As I said though X-Men couldn't have been the MCU's first outing because Last stand came out a year earlier, this idea is based on the notion Marvel got the rights back AFTER the X-Men trilogy, so they couldn't have done X-Men in 2008 at all, and as I said given how Marvel has generally stuck to a 2 1/2 to 3 year gap between instalments of a franchise as to not water down those films the likelihood of a X-Men film by Marvel coming out prior to 2010 is unlikely.
You comment on other peoples education but you are borderline mentally deficient and you can't put together more than one coherent sentence at a time you fucking titwank.
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Post by summers8 on Sept 15, 2018 18:27:59 GMT
oh, right... I forgot mcu fans are the least educated people and talking in a compelling matter makes little sense to them. let me make it easier for you mcu dummies.
Imagine if iron man 1..a light hearted fun adventure with no depth was actually x-men 1? the result would have been disastrous for an xmen movie, especially when a movie like TDK came out 8 weeks later. how will MCU have justified people's opinions that TDK is what an xmen movie should have been like not iron man 1 (x-men 1)?
once again, I lay down the reality of things, MCU fans have no real comeback...that is what the truth is about and when you don't live in the disney la la land.
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No it's because you make no sense and are a fucking retard.
Are you saying what if they made their first X-Men film in the vein of IM1 in 2008, or are you saying what if IM1 was done in the vein of X-Men 1, also are you just saying X-Men 1 as the first of a new batch of X films by the MCU or are you referring to the actual X-Men 1 we got in 2000 is now the open salvo to the MCU?
That's what im referring to because you are talking utter gibberish you fucking plank.
As I said though X-Men couldn't have been the MCU's first outing because Last stand came out a year earlier, this idea is based on the notion Marvel got the rights back AFTER the X-Men trilogy, so they couldn't have done X-Men in 2008 at all, and as I said given how Marvel has generally stuck to a 2 1/2 to 3 year gap between instalments of a franchise as to not water down those films the likelihood of a X-Men film by Marvel coming out prior to 2010 is unlikely.
You comment on other peoples education but you are borderline mentally deficient and you can't put together more than one coherent sentence at a time you fucking titwank.
school for dummies
yes, if they had their their xmen movies in the veins of iron man 1, it would have failed as an xmen movie. the only way an xmen movie would have worked if it was made in the veins of xmen 1 or batman begins. it is not about year time, it is about substance and real film making.
the substance of mcu failed. the substance of xmen has endured to the point black panther tried to copy an xmen movie to look intellectual..hod did that really work out?
X2 is agreat movie...still hold ups. the story/plot the drama the practical effects the directorial effort the compelling themes of hatred and prejudice
you cant even call Black Panther a great movie. enuff said.
yeah mcu would be worse because under mcu, X2 will never have happened. its too complex and serious for mcu disney.
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Post by dazz on Sept 15, 2018 21:42:50 GMT
No it's because you make no sense and are a fucking retard.
Are you saying what if they made their first X-Men film in the vein of IM1 in 2008, or are you saying what if IM1 was done in the vein of X-Men 1, also are you just saying X-Men 1 as the first of a new batch of X films by the MCU or are you referring to the actual X-Men 1 we got in 2000 is now the open salvo to the MCU?
That's what im referring to because you are talking utter gibberish you fucking plank.
As I said though X-Men couldn't have been the MCU's first outing because Last stand came out a year earlier, this idea is based on the notion Marvel got the rights back AFTER the X-Men trilogy, so they couldn't have done X-Men in 2008 at all, and as I said given how Marvel has generally stuck to a 2 1/2 to 3 year gap between instalments of a franchise as to not water down those films the likelihood of a X-Men film by Marvel coming out prior to 2010 is unlikely.
You comment on other peoples education but you are borderline mentally deficient and you can't put together more than one coherent sentence at a time you fucking titwank.
school for dummies
yes, if they had their their xmen movies in the veins of iron man 1, it would have failed as an xmen movie. the only way an xmen movie would have worked if it was made in the veins of xmen 1 or batman begins. it is not about year time, it is about substance and real film making.
the substance of mcu failed. the substance of xmen has endured to the point black panther tried to copy an xmen movie to look intellectual..hod did that really work out?
X2 is agreat movie...still hold ups. the story/plot the drama the practical effects the directorial effort the compelling themes of hatred and prejudice
you cant even call Black Panther a great movie. enuff said.
yeah mcu would be worse because under mcu, X2 will never have happened. its too complex and serious for mcu disney.
Actually it is about timing because the question was what are our thoughts on the article and the things it brings up which is what if X-Men went back to Marvel at the start of the MCU, because without the foundation the XCU built and the oedigree and nuances Feige learned working on those films he wouldn't have come into the MCU with the experience he had, so timing is fundamentally important to this question, you stupid cunt.
And you say any X-Men not following the original films dna would have failed, but the XCU has only grown in the years since the MCU launched in which more fantastical and fun elements are introduced, which the XCU has adopted into it's make up, as a result the films have become more popular and made more money, without GOTG showing the world that hey a talking racoon & a sentient tree can be two of the biggest box office attractions in cinema maybe we don't get Fox going ok fine the fans are clamouring for it fuck it do it cheap and you can do Deadpool.
You keep saying the MCU has failed how has A: One of the fastest growing media franchises in history, B: The biggest film franchise in history, C: The first franchise in history to have multiple billion dollar films in a calendar year D: The franchise with the biggest opening weekend in history a failing concept or brand? where as you praise the X-Men who even in the modern climate at best do less than the majority of the MCU films? that's a brand that fails, because even in the golden age of cbm's they are the least successful brand of the bunch, even the DC "failures" of MOS & JL outperform the majority of XCU films.
X-Men have produced some great films, my top 3 are Logan, Deadpool & X2, but they also produced utter pos like Last Stand & Origins, instead of mindlessly chirping on about the same fucking thing and just trying to shit talk the MCU constantly, why not read the fucking question properly and respond thusly you ignorant cunt sucking fuck monkey.
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Post by DC-Fan on Sept 15, 2018 23:44:42 GMT
The article is right in that MCU didn't decide they would take risks and make just make movies with lesser-known characters, as many delusional MCU fans have always claimed. MCU had no choice because they sold off all of their A-list characters. If MCU had the rights to Spider-Man and the X-Men and Fantastic Four, there would've never been any Iron Man, Captain America, Thor, Ant-Man, Doctor Strange, Avengers, or GotG movies. MCU would've been just Spider-Man, Hulk, X-Men, and Fantastic Four. But since MCU sold off all their A-list characters, they had no choice. So it wasn't MCU taking a risk and making movies with lesser-known characters by choice. It was MCU being forced to make movies with lesser-known characters out of desperation. |
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Post by dazz on Sept 15, 2018 23:59:46 GMT
The article is right in that MCU didn't decide they would take risks and make just make movies with lesser-known characters, as many delusional MCU fans have always claimed. MCU had no choice because they sold off all of their A-list characters. If MCU had the rights to Spider-Man and the X-Men and Fantastic Four, there would've never been any Iron Man, Captain America, Thor, Ant-Man, Doctor Strange, Avengers, or GotG movies. MCU would've been just Spider-Man, Hulk, X-Men, and Fantastic Four. But since MCU sold off all their A-list characters, they had no choice. So it wasn't MCU taking a risk and making movies with lesser-known characters by choice. It was MCU being forced to make movies with lesser-known characters out of desperation. They did take the risk though of creating their own studio and making their own movies, they bet the entire company on it, they could have sat back and just kept making a cut off the films Sony & Fox were producing but they took the risk of making their own studio and films based around these lesser characters.
Also no even if they had the rights to their entire library they wouldn't have just stuck with those 4 properties, this is proven in their track record, they had a $2b franchise in Ironman which they decided to pack in after 3 films, same with Captain America, they have continued to introduce more and more of their properties rather than bleed their already now A list characters dry.
We would probably just be entering phase 3 rather than closing it out if the MCU had the other titles in their library, and Avengers 4 or IW would have featured all the characters coming together...fuck that would be one bloated film if you had to introduce 2 more teams, maybe 3 if the brotherhood also joined in to fight Thanos.
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Post by Lord Death Man on Sept 16, 2018 0:07:59 GMT
The article is right in that MCU didn't decide they would take risks and make just make movies with lesser-known characters, as many delusional MCU fans have always claimed. MCU had no choice because they sold off all of their A-list characters. If MCU had the rights to Spider-Man and the X-Men and Fantastic Four, there would've never been any Iron Man, Captain America, Thor, Ant-Man, Doctor Strange, Avengers, or GotG movies. MCU would've been just Spider-Man, Hulk, X-Men, and Fantastic Four. But since MCU sold off all their A-list characters, they had no choice. So it wasn't MCU taking a risk and making movies with lesser-known characters by choice. It was MCU being forced to make movies with lesser-known characters out of desperation. Oh, really? |
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Post by ThatGuy on Sept 16, 2018 1:35:38 GMT
No it's because you make no sense and are a fucking retard.
Are you saying what if they made their first X-Men film in the vein of IM1 in 2008, or are you saying what if IM1 was done in the vein of X-Men 1, also are you just saying X-Men 1 as the first of a new batch of X films by the MCU or are you referring to the actual X-Men 1 we got in 2000 is now the open salvo to the MCU?
That's what im referring to because you are talking utter gibberish you fucking plank.
As I said though X-Men couldn't have been the MCU's first outing because Last stand came out a year earlier, this idea is based on the notion Marvel got the rights back AFTER the X-Men trilogy, so they couldn't have done X-Men in 2008 at all, and as I said given how Marvel has generally stuck to a 2 1/2 to 3 year gap between instalments of a franchise as to not water down those films the likelihood of a X-Men film by Marvel coming out prior to 2010 is unlikely.
You comment on other peoples education but you are borderline mentally deficient and you can't put together more than one coherent sentence at a time you fucking titwank.
school for dummies
yes, if they had their their xmen movies in the veins of iron man 1, it would have failed as an xmen movie. the only way an xmen movie would have worked if it was made in the veins of xmen 1 or batman begins. it is not about year time, it is about substance and real film making.
the substance of mcu failed. the substance of xmen has endured to the point black panther tried to copy an xmen movie to look intellectual..hod did that really work out?
X2 is agreat movie...still hold ups. the story/plot the drama the practical effects the directorial effort the compelling themes of hatred and prejudice
you cant even call Black Panther a great movie. enuff said.
yeah mcu would be worse because under mcu, X2 will never have happened. its too complex and serious for mcu disney.
You do know that there would not have been a Bryan Singer X-men movie in this scenario. In this scenario, the MCU X-men movie would be the 1st ever X-men movie. Fox would not have had the X-men movie rights. You are looking at it as if Fox made an X-men movie then Marvel Studios made one years later. Think about it as if X-men was the movie after Avengers instead of Iron Man 3. With mutants popping up in previous movies. These will be the 1st time we will have seen mutants in movies. The MCU X-men movie(s) would not fail. But then again Feige wouldn't have the crappy way the X-men movies were made to say "I'm not gonna make these movies like that."
As a matter of fact, the X-men movies under Marvel Studios might do better because of the reliability of the MCU and how people saw Apocalypse. The 1st time people see the new X-men with established MCU characters in a trailer will blow their minds.
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Post by ThatGuy on Sept 16, 2018 1:59:25 GMT
The article is right in that MCU didn't decide they would take risks and make just make movies with lesser-known characters, as many delusional MCU fans have always claimed. MCU had no choice because they sold off all of their A-list characters. If MCU had the rights to Spider-Man and the X-Men and Fantastic Four, there would've never been any Iron Man, Captain America, Thor, Ant-Man, Doctor Strange, Avengers, or GotG movies. MCU would've been just Spider-Man, Hulk, X-Men, and Fantastic Four. But since MCU sold off all their A-list characters, they had no choice. So it wasn't MCU taking a risk and making movies with lesser-known characters by choice. It was MCU being forced to make movies with lesser-known characters out of desperation. It's funny you say this when DC has only made movies of, or even put good money into, is their 2 heavy hitters. That's not risky at all. They only started putting money into characters other than Batman and Superman when Marvel started making money with their non-"A-lsters". Again, are the X-men really A-list characters? Maybe the group X-men is A-list, but the only individual that can be considered A-list is Wolverine. Yeah, they made Jonah Hex and Catwoman, but did they really care? They tried to capitalize on Iron Man with Green Lantern. When that didn't work they went save and tried to use the popularity of the Nolan movies with Man of Steel.
And it's funny that you say they would not have made those movies forgetting that Blade came out before X-men. And they were trying to make Black Panther with Snipes before that. And if you wiped out the landscape of all the movies made since Blade, which properties do you think would be the "A-lists" wanted by studios to bail out Marvel? Here's a hint: it wouldn't be the X-men.
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Post by Agent of Chaos on Sept 16, 2018 3:46:12 GMT
Like an antithesis of the X-men movies. As if he'd said "We are going to make our movies closer to the comics." I doubt that since he admitted to take some inspiration from the X-Men films. I however do think that Wolverine & The X-Men were a response to X3. No, it’s because Marvel made the X-Men unrelatable by making them an endanger species. |
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Post by twothousandonemark on Sept 16, 2018 4:00:58 GMT
Worse isn't the proper word I'd use. Less intriguing, certainly. MCU launched with original Iron Man, Incredible Hulk, & Thor films prior to The Avengers, delivered us new & unchartered CBM territory. X-Men trilogy was & remains a bridging staple for the genre, between the 90's Batman run & prior TDK trilogy. Same with Spider-Man, it would've been too soon to care. |
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Post by summers8 on Sept 16, 2018 5:21:38 GMT
school for dummies
yes, if they had their their xmen movies in the veins of iron man 1, it would have failed as an xmen movie. the only way an xmen movie would have worked if it was made in the veins of xmen 1 or batman begins. it is not about year time, it is about substance and real film making.
the substance of mcu failed. the substance of xmen has endured to the point black panther tried to copy an xmen movie to look intellectual..hod did that really work out?
X2 is agreat movie...still hold ups. the story/plot the drama the practical effects the directorial effort the compelling themes of hatred and prejudice
you cant even call Black Panther a great movie. enuff said.
yeah mcu would be worse because under mcu, X2 will never have happened. its too complex and serious for mcu disney.
You do know that there would not have been a Bryan Singer X-men movie in this scenario. In this scenario, the MCU X-men movie would be the 1st ever X-men movie. Fox would not have had the X-men movie rights. You are looking at it as if Fox made an X-men movie then Marvel Studios made one years later. Think about it as if X-men was the movie after Avengers instead of Iron Man 3. With mutants popping up in previous movies. These will be the 1st time we will have seen mutants in movies. The MCU X-men movie(s) would not fail. But then again Feige wouldn't have the crappy way the X-men movies were made to say "I'm not gonna make these movies like that."
As a matter of fact, the X-men movies under Marvel Studios might do better because of the reliability of the MCU and how people saw Apocalypse. The 1st time people see the new X-men with established MCU characters in a trailer will blow their minds.
HM, once again artistic fact is out of the door. Bryan Singer despite his personal life made a better contribution to comic movies than mcu ever did. his movies gave the genre credibility, while mcu has destroyed it. you talk of crappy, keep that word, when mcu changes the concept of mutants and remove they are hated and feared just to make it appeal to kids and dumb it down. if xmen under marvel studios might do better then the reality will reflect it. but lets look at reality not in the 90s.
First Class took down thor 1 and cap 1 in 2011
DOFP took down winter solider and gotg in 2014...poor winter solider as usual.
The wolverine was better than Iron Mandarian is a joke 3, and Thor 2 in 2013
Deadpool took down dr strange and civil war....went on to even get golden globes noms in 2016 and redefine what comics films can be....pure art house movies.
Logan basically maimed gotg 2, thor jokenock in 2017.
So the mcu doing better is a factually lie. the movies don't reflect it. talk of crappy, mcu movies are gag reel comedies. like in the spideman game board, you continue to fail big time. spiderman and xmen are at their best when there is no MCU forced on them. thatguy calling xmen crappy when the best mcu movies cant even beat out the 3rd xmen movie.lol. well, MCU is worse now....all their movies are cgi messes with idiotic jokes and xmen has nothing to do with that.
xmen can still have a Logan and possibly a new mutants that mcu fanatics wants to stop from getting released because they know a good psychological horror comic movie will signal the death of mcu comedies formula movies.lol..mutants popping up. you mcu fans are just so draft and shallow. your obsession with crossovers and set ups has become beyond laughable. And as for mcu xmen would not fail...ok
mcu disney games have failed. mcu animation has failed.
mcu movies have failed. mcu spiderman homecoming has failed. mcu disney star wars has failed.
I think that pattern will contunue with mcu xmen. but the good thing is the genre will be dead by 2020. the genre is already dead now. Spiderman 2 and X2 sill holds up, they are classic in the genre. what is ant man 2 exactly?
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