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Post by Arlon10 on Sept 19, 2018 22:14:57 GMT
... atheists trying to kick you out of your own discussion board? My answer is it's not something I'm going to lose sleep over. Have at it, atheists. I can tell you what the great thing about atheism is and save you all a lot of trouble, if you like. It's no secret. It's been out for years. The great thing about atheism is that ignorance is bliss. AJ pretty much said so in different words. I noticed that atheists assume incorrectly that no one can believe in a god and still understand science. That is not true. Every religious person I know accepts all the science there is. By science I mean things that can be verified by repeated tests. Everyone knows what the boiling point of water is. Everyone knows sunlight is a mix of various colors or frequencies of light and that you can separate them out. Everyone knows that ships float because they displace more water by weight than they weigh themselves. Everyone know planes fly by pushing air below them with enough force (in addition to the Bernoulli effect in many cases) to counter their weight. Everyone knows lighting is the discharge of static electricity and that you can easily create and discharge static electricity yourself on a much smaller scale. There is in fact nothing in science that religious people do not understand every bit as much as atheists. The difference arises when atheists try to venture beyond the science of certainly established facts. The "theory" of evolution, even today, is just a theory. It is not certainly established science, nor are there any repeatable tests. Nevertheless many religious people accept that changes can occur in species. There is even a Bible story about a change in the flocks of Laban. In fact people have been breeding plants an animals for centuries and Darwin didn't really add any science to that. I've noticed that atheists often say how charming it is that the religious believe in a god out of their fear of the unknown. It is however very obvious that atheists have a worse dread fear of the unknown. That is the only reason they are able to claim that tornadoes can assemble working automobiles from junk, because the truth scares them so much. Which is more scientific, that Jesus recovered from what was likely a coma, or that life began when lightning struck mud? If you can claim life began when lightning struck mud, you are frightened out of your wits to admit the existence of cosmic forces beyond your limited view. I've also noticed that atheists think science can solve any issues in society. I have already noted here that science only deals in things that are not issues. If it is an issue, then it really isn't science yet and might never be. So again, the main attraction of atheism is that ignorance is bliss. You don't have to face any real issues in society so it doesn't matter that your science is useless to address them. You can't understand how much opinion is involved and assume (yes assume, despite what phludowin said about you not having assumptions) that your opinions have any scientific basis. They do not. They are merely things you accept from what you consider authority. Here is the good news though. The dread fear that you very obviously do have about admitting your world is not really your own is just what we need. It is "the beginning of wisdom" as it has been written. It will make you review things that you previously mindlessly accepted from your authorities. It will make clear the limits of science and help you stay in those bounds at last. |
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Post by goz on Sept 19, 2018 22:54:19 GMT
... atheists trying to kick you out of your own discussion board? My answer is it's not something I'm going to lose sleep over. Have at it, atheists. I can tell you what the great thing about atheism is and save you all a lot of trouble, if you like. It's no secret. It's been out for years. The great thing about atheism is that ignorance is bliss. AJ pretty much said so in different words. I noticed that atheists assume incorrectly that no one can believe in a god and still understand science. That is not true. Every religious person I know accepts all the science there is. By science I mean things that can be verified by repeated tests. Everyone knows what the boiling point of water is. Everyone knows sunlight is a mix of various colors or frequencies of light and that you can separate them out. Everyone knows that ships float because they displace more water by weight than they weigh themselves. Everyone know planes fly by pushing air below them with enough force (in addition to the Bernoulli effect in many cases) to counter their weight. Everyone knows lighting is the discharge of static electricity and that you can easily create and discharge static electricity yourself on a much smaller scale. There is in fact nothing in science that religious people do not understand every bit as much as atheists. The difference arises when atheists try to venture beyond the science of certainly established facts. The "theory" of evolution, even today, is just a theory. It is not certainly established science, nor are there any repeatable tests. Nevertheless many religious people accept that changes can occur in species. There is even a Bible story about a change in the flocks of Laban. In fact people have been breeding plants an animals for centuries and Darwin didn't really add any science to that. I've noticed that atheists often say how charming it is that the religious believe in a god out of their fear of the unknown. It is however very obvious that atheists have a worse dread fear of the unknown. That is the only reason they are able to claim that tornadoes can assemble working automobiles from junk, because the truth scares them so much. Which is more scientific, that Jesus recovered from what was likely a coma, or that life began when lightning struck mud? If you can claim life began when lightning struck mud, you are frightened out of your wits to admit the existence of cosmic forces beyond your limited view. I've also noticed that atheists think science can solve any issues in society. I have already noted here that science only deals in things that are not issues. If it is an issue, then it really isn't science yet and might never be. So again, the main attraction of atheism is that ignorance is bliss. You don't have to face any real issues in society so it doesn't matter that your science is useless to address them. You can't understand how much opinion is involved and assume (yes assume, despite what phludowin said about you not having assumptions) that your opinions have any scientific basis. They do not. They are merely things you accept from what you consider authority. Here is the good news though. The dread fear that you very obviously do have about admitting your world is not really your own is just what we need. It is "the beginning of wisdom" as it has been written. It will make you review things that you previously mindlessly accepted from your authorities. It will make clear the limits of science and help you stay in those bounds at last. That you think this is ''your discussion board explains a lot. You think that you can talk total bollocks and no one will challenge you. You think you can bully, denigrate and talk smack about anyone who disagrees with you. You think you can say what others think. You think that stuff like this little gem of nonsense ...is true because you say so. Your ignorance is mind boggling and you are the poster boy (fossil actually) for the Dunning Kruger Syndrome . It is not for nothing that everyone thinks that you live on your own Planet Arlon because you are so out of touch with reality. That you try to monitor a free message board and/or think that others are doing so is delusional paranoid and totally ridiculous like most of your other posts. |
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Post by Arlon10 on Sept 19, 2018 23:07:19 GMT
Did I at any time say you were not welcome? Guess who did exclude people. Three guesses. I very much expect you to challenge me. That you haven't yet is rather disappointing. Careful with that now, it can backfire. Do you consider yourself a good reader? |
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Post by OldSamVimes on Sept 20, 2018 0:02:08 GMT
The selective atheists are just as bad.
If you're going to believe in one God you might as well believe in them all.
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Post by goz on Sept 20, 2018 0:13:26 GMT
The selective atheists are just as bad. If you're going to believe in one God you might as well believe in them all. What? WTF is a 'selective atheist'? Atheism by definition has absence of belief in ALL gods. |
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Post by Arlon10 on Sept 20, 2018 0:14:22 GMT
The selective atheists are just as bad. If you're going to believe in one God you might as well believe in them all. I think there's an important difference between believing in them all and believing in their similarities. I think the most valuable similarity in most religions except some branches of Christianity is the circumspection it gives followers. I think it's that circumspection that leads to rules against killing and stealing. |
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Post by goz on Sept 20, 2018 0:28:07 GMT
The selective atheists are just as bad. If you're going to believe in one God you might as well believe in them all. I think there's an important difference between believing in them all and believing in their similarities. I think the most valuable similarity in most religions except some branches of Christianity is the circumspection it gives followers. I think it's that circumspection that leads to rules against killing and stealing. You mean 'fear of god'? |
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Post by Arlon10 on Sept 20, 2018 0:41:23 GMT
I think there's an important difference between believing in them all and believing in their similarities. I think the most valuable similarity in most religions except some branches of Christianity is the circumspection it gives followers. I think it's that circumspection that leads to rules against killing and stealing. You mean 'fear of god'? Wouldn't you agree "circumspection" sounds better and is closer to the mark? |
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Post by goz on Sept 20, 2018 1:14:50 GMT
Wouldn't you agree "circumspection" sounds better and is closer to the mark? No. |
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Post by Arlon10 on Sept 20, 2018 1:17:21 GMT
Wouldn't you agree "circumspection" sounds better and is closer to the mark? No. There's no accounting for tastes. Actually "fear" can get the job done better, so there's that. |
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Post by progressiveelement on Sept 20, 2018 1:21:48 GMT
You want blissful ignorance, check the Politics Board. From right-wing nutjobs, to rabid commie pinkos.
Or join me on Facebook on groups discussing the paranormal. Some idiot posted a pic of "alien wreckage" - it took just one glance from the Prog to identify it as a wrecked F-14.
Or read comments on Youtube. Any frickin video. I loved one about a helicopter piloted by an invisible demon. it was an EC 155 with blacked out windows. 😎
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Post by Arlon10 on Sept 20, 2018 2:02:53 GMT
You want blissful ignorance, check the Politics Board. From right-wing nutjobs, to rabid commie pinkos. Or join me on Facebook on groups discussing the paranormal. Some idiot posted a pic of "alien wreckage" - it took just one glance from the Prog to identify it as a wrecked F-14. Or read comments on Youtube. Any frickin video. I loved one about a helicopter piloted by an invisible demon. it was an EC 155 with blacked out windows. 😎 So far every paranormal event I've had the opportunity to investigate has turned out to be a "pretty normal" event. I do not have the means or opportunity to investigate them all though. Maybe one of those is genuine. I have close, trusted friends who say they had remarkable experiences. Did you see/hear the comments by the Pope on Medjugorje? He said he prefers the idea of the Virgin Mary as a mother, not the Virgin Mary of the Post Office that delivers a message every day at a specific time.  He has been pressured to revise. His further original comment did acknowledge that people were being converted and some might have missed that part. |
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Post by goz on Sept 20, 2018 2:46:19 GMT
cl You want blissful ignorance, check the Politics Board. From right-wing nutjobs, to rabid commie pinkos. Or join me on Facebook on groups discussing the paranormal. Some idiot posted a pic of "alien wreckage" - it took just one glance from the Prog to identify it as a wrecked F-14. Or read comments on Youtube. Any frickin video. I loved one about a helicopter piloted by an invisible demon. it was an EC 155 with blacked out windows. 😎 So far every paranormal event I've had the opportunity to investigate has turned out to be a "pretty normal" event. I do not have the means or opportunity to investigate them all though. Maybe one of those is genuine. I have close, trusted friends who say they had remarkable experiences. Did you see/hear the comments by the Pope on Medjugorje? He said he prefers the idea of the Virgin Mary as a mother, not the Virgin Mary of the Post Office that delivers a message every day at a specific time. He has been pressured to revise. His further original comment did acknowledge that people were being converted and some might have missed that part. As were the alleged 'miracles' in the Bible IF they occurred at all. |
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Post by Arlon10 on Sept 20, 2018 5:30:06 GMT
cl So far every paranormal event I've had the opportunity to investigate has turned out to be a "pretty normal" event. I do not have the means or opportunity to investigate them all though. Maybe one of those is genuine. I have close, trusted friends who say they had remarkable experiences. Did you see/hear the comments by the Pope on Medjugorje? He said he prefers the idea of the Virgin Mary as a mother, not the Virgin Mary of the Post Office that delivers a message every day at a specific time. He has been pressured to revise. His further original comment did acknowledge that people were being converted and some might have missed that part. As were the alleged 'miracles' in the Bible IF they occurred at all. You actually made a good point, providing of course you take the Revelation as more symbolic than literal, which most people do, including me. I don't say it can't happen as literally told, but I don't guess it necessarily will. |
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Post by phludowin on Sept 20, 2018 6:14:01 GMT
Speaking of assumptions: I counted at least six untrue assumptions which Arlon10 made in his OP. Surprising? Not really. |
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Post by Aj_June on Sept 20, 2018 7:15:01 GMT
With all due respect, Arlon, do you believe that every person has an obligation to conduct a deep personal study into religion(s) to find out whether it benefits her or not?
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Sept 20, 2018 9:11:02 GMT
Confound it, sir! You were on this board before I stumbled and bumbled in. Don't you remember what it was like? Seems there were about fifty of them on patrol every day; mocking, insulting, blaspheming, and polluting the board with their stale propaganda. A lot of them split with worov for the "amazing new board," and most of the rest have drifted off over the years. There are still a few of them around making nuisances of themselves, but it's not nearly as bad as it was. Got to be grateful for that.
I have a few fond memories, like the time Cine tried to convince me that the glowing orb I saw fly over my house was ball lightning. That one was a hoot.
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Post by Arlon10 on Sept 20, 2018 11:15:40 GMT
Speaking of assumptions: I counted at least six untrue assumptions which Arlon10 made in his OP. Surprising? Not really. I counted zero intelligent challenges to my personal observations. Maybe that's because personal observations are not really "assumptions." Do I expect intelligent criticism? Why would they start now? They never have before. |
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Post by Arlon10 on Sept 20, 2018 11:23:27 GMT
... atheists trying to kick you out of your own discussion board? My answer is it's not something I'm going to lose sleep over. Have at it, atheists. I can tell you what the great thing about atheism is and save you all a lot of trouble, if you like. It's no secret. It's been out for years. The great thing about atheism is that ignorance is bliss. AJ pretty much said so in different words. I noticed that atheists assume incorrectly that no one can believe in a god and still understand science. That is not true. Every religious person I know accepts all the science there is. By science I mean things that can be verified by repeated tests. Everyone knows what the boiling point of water is. Everyone knows sunlight is a mix of various colors or frequencies of light and that you can separate them out. Everyone knows that ships float because they displace more water by weight than they weigh themselves. Everyone know planes fly by pushing air below them with enough force (in addition to the Bernoulli effect in many cases) to counter their weight. Everyone knows lighting is the discharge of static electricity and that you can easily create and discharge static electricity yourself on a much smaller scale. There is in fact nothing in science that religious people do not understand every bit as much as atheists. The difference arises when atheists try to venture beyond the science of certainly established facts. The "theory" of evolution, even today, is just a theory. It is not certainly established science, nor are there any repeatable tests. Nevertheless many religious people accept that changes can occur in species. There is even a Bible story about a change in the flocks of Laban. In fact people have been breeding plants an animals for centuries and Darwin didn't really add any science to that. I've noticed that atheists often say how charming it is that the religious believe in a god out of their fear of the unknown. It is however very obvious that atheists have a worse dread fear of the unknown. That is the only reason they are able to claim that tornadoes can assemble working automobiles from junk, because the truth scares them so much. Which is more scientific, that Jesus recovered from what was likely a coma, or that life began when lightning struck mud? If you can claim life began when lightning struck mud, you are frightened out of your wits to admit the existence of cosmic forces beyond your limited view. I've also noticed that atheists think science can solve any issues in society. I have already noted here that science only deals in things that are not issues. If it is an issue, then it really isn't science yet and might never be. So again, the main attraction of atheism is that ignorance is bliss. You don't have to face any real issues in society so it doesn't matter that your science is useless to address them. You can't understand how much opinion is involved and assume (yes assume, despite what phludowin said about you not having assumptions) that your opinions have any scientific basis. They do not. They are merely things you accept from what you consider authority. Here is the good news though. The dread fear that you very obviously do have about admitting your world is not really your own is just what we need. It is "the beginning of wisdom" as it has been written. It will make you review things that you previously mindlessly accepted from your authorities. It will make clear the limits of science and help you stay in those bounds at last. This is not your discussion board Arlon and both religious and atheist persons are confused about God. I never said it was "my" discussion board. I do notice that it is a "Religion, Faith and Spirituality" board though, which is the reason I found an exclusively atheist thread surprising and a bit out of kilter. It is not surprising you don't have your own board. That would be like a book club for people who don't read. I did not say that you need to leave. I feel pity for you not having your own board. I created this thread so that you could have more freedom in yours. You're welcome. |
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Post by Arlon10 on Sept 20, 2018 11:42:27 GMT
I never said it was "my" discussion board. I do notice that it is a "Religion, Faith and Spirituality" board though, which is the reason I found an exclusively atheist thread surprising and a bit out of kilter. It is not surprising you don't have your own board. That would be like a book club for people who don't read. I did not say that you need to leave. I feel pity for you not having your own board. I created this thread so that you could have more freedom in yours. You're welcome. Arlon: That is an implication that you see atheists as pushing out theists on an open chat board that was designed for views on RFS. You said it!
I don't get your point about finding it surprising to see an exclusive atheist thread and out of kilter. Is that not still pertaining to RFS, or lack of belief in it? It is not a theist board and if you want one, ask the admin, but this won't be exclusive either. Start your own.
What thread are you referring to where I could have more freedom?
1) "your" is plural where I used it. 2) Here |
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