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Post by Rey Kahuka on Sept 21, 2018 16:39:17 GMT
I thought the trailer didn't show us enough of Carol's personality. Of course, I also thought the first Black Panther trailer didn't show enough of T'Challa's personality. So I'm apparently sexist and racist.
Kidding aside, this is one of those situations where the internet creates a narrative so the internet has something to talk about. 10 dopes on Twitter say something dumb, somebody bothers to reply, glorified blog sites take the story and run with goofy clickbait headlines. "Celebrity SLAMS sexist superhero frown shamers!"
This is where we are as a society.
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Post by hobowar on Sept 21, 2018 16:42:41 GMT
Evacuate the city, engage all defenses, and get this woman some cock - T'Challa (2019)
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Sept 21, 2018 17:15:03 GMT
And are you saying that people are attacking Brie Larson specifically for not smiling as part of her being Brie Larson and not as part of her playing the Captain Marvel role in the trailer? If this is your claim, please provide a link where people are criticizing her for this. I've lost count of the number of times I've had to listen to men harassing women on the bus or walking by on the street for not smiling. This is just another example of the phenomenon, which is part of male sexist culture. It's a thing and has been for a very long time.
nah you dodged his question by anecdotal deflections and generalizations. Never heard women being harassed for not smiling. Brie Larson claims quite the opposite: smiling makes lusty men ask for her number and defensive. People do not properly distinguish between direction and actor, H Cavill was defamed frequently as being wooden and uncharismatic despite the seriousness being part of his character arc (he smiles broadly at the end when he has found himself in the last shot). It applies to all people (including children actors). Larson just comes across as wooden and indifferent in this trailer cut, which is our first glimpse at this obscure character, how her performance turns out in the film, we shall see. Just to debunk your smile-discrimination theory regarding women. Tell me where these female action Heroins were ever criticized for not smiling (all of them testosterone icons for fanboys): - Furiosa in MMFR - Sarah Connor in T2 - Ripley in Alien - Leia in Star Wars (except the end) - or Wonder Woman, where does she smile in the trailer?
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Post by thisguy4000 on Sept 21, 2018 17:25:33 GMT
I've lost count of the number of times I've had to listen to men harassing women on the bus or walking by on the street for not smiling. This is just another example of the phenomenon, which is part of male sexist culture. It's a thing and has been for a very long time.
nah you dodged his question by anecdotal deflections and generalizations. Never heard women being harassed for not smiling. Brie Larson claims quite the opposite: smiling makes lusty men ask for her number and defensive. People do not properly distinguish between direction and actor, H Cavill was defamed frequently as being wooden and uncharismatic despite the seriousness being part of his character arc (he smiles broadly at the end when he has found himself in the last shot). It applies to all people (including children actors). Larson just comes across as wooden and indifferent in this trailer cut, which is our first glimpse at this obscure character, how her performance turns out in the film, we shall see. Just to debunk your smile-discrimination theory regarding women. Tell me where these female action Heroins were ever criticized for not smiling (all of them testosterone icons for fanboys): - Furiosa in MMFR - Sarah Connor in T2 - Ripley in Alien - Leia in Star Wars (except the end) - or Wonder Woman, where does she smile in the trailer? There was a very vocal crowd of people who criticized Gal Gadot in the WW trailers for supposedly not being able to act, and a good chunk of them seemed to bring up her accent for some reason.
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Post by Power Ranger on Sept 21, 2018 17:30:17 GMT
I've lost count of the number of times I've had to listen to men harassing women on the bus or walking by on the street for not smiling. This is just another example of the phenomenon, which is part of male sexist culture. It's a thing and has been for a very long time.
nah you dodged his question by anecdotal deflections and generalizations. Never heard women being harassed for not smiling. Brie Larson claims quite the opposite: smiling makes lusty men ask for her number and defensive. People do not properly distinguish between direction and actor, H Cavill was defamed frequently as being wooden and uncharismatic despite the seriousness being part of his character arc (he smiles broadly at the end when he has found himself in the last shot). It applies to all people (including children actors). Larson just comes across as wooden and indifferent in this trailer cut, which is our first glimpse at this obscure character, how her performance turns out in the film, we shall see. Just to debunk your smile-discrimination theory regarding women. Tell me where these female action Heroins were ever criticized for not smiling (all of them testosterone icons for fanboys): - Furiosa in MMFR - Sarah Connor in T2 - Ripley in Alien - Leia in Star Wars (except the end) - or Wonder Woman, where does she smile in the trailer? Personally, I can see the encouragement to smile as sexist but I doubt that it was a common reaction to the trailer. I’m saying that few people would have said that so her response was the quintessential SJW schtick- to find fault where it hardly exists and fight it more than it deserves. The intention is to virtue signal more than to do any actual good for any cause.
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Post by Skaathar on Sept 21, 2018 17:36:08 GMT
And are you saying that people are attacking Brie Larson specifically for not smiling as part of her being Brie Larson and not as part of her playing the Captain Marvel role in the trailer? If this is your claim, please provide a link where people are criticizing her for this. I've lost count of the number of times I've had to listen to men harassing women on the bus or walking by on the street for not smiling. This is just another example of the phenomenon, which is part of male sexist culture. It's a thing and has been for a very long time.
Well yeah, I know of the "show us a smile, dear" harrassment that a number of women go through, and I agree it's abhorrent. But that still doesn't answer my original question which was: Is Brie Larson being asked to smile OUTSIDE of her portrayal of Captain Marvel? Because if not then it's not really that different from the criticisms levied against Cavill.
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Post by faustus5 on Sept 21, 2018 17:37:48 GMT
Never heard women being harassed for not smiling. I don't give a rat's ass what a clueless idiot like you has or hasn't heard of. I've witnessed this crap myself on a constant basis and read commentaries by women noting it as well. In other words, in a world filled with creeps like you, she can't win. If not enough scenes of her smiling are shown, people complain. If she smiles at a TWA agent in real life, that gives him permission to hit on her.
How convenient that most of your examples were before the internet was a thing, and for the two that are modern, both are notable for being the targets of constant whining from misogynist men, particularly in the case of Mad Max. Sexism doesn't always express itself the same way each go around--it isn't always going to be about the smiles.
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Post by faustus5 on Sept 21, 2018 17:41:14 GMT
I've lost count of the number of times I've had to listen to men harassing women on the bus or walking by on the street for not smiling. This is just another example of the phenomenon, which is part of male sexist culture. It's a thing and has been for a very long time.
Well yeah, I know of the "show us a smile, dear" harrassment that a number of women go through, and I agree it's abhorrent. But that still doesn't answer my original question which was: Is Brie Larson being asked to smile OUTSIDE of her portrayal of Captain Marvel? Because if not then it's not really that different from the criticisms levied against Cavill. Apples to apples, please. Do you really think movies like Room or Short Term 12 are going to attract the same kinds of fans in the same numbers as a Marvel superhero flick?
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Post by President Ackbar™ on Sept 21, 2018 17:46:32 GMT
It actually is sexist.
Women get told / asked to smile, by men, all the time.
No one ever tells a grown man "smile!"
My girlfriend has complained about this for years.
If you don't have a GF, then you should go ask your sister or mother about it.
I read about a MtF transgender that recieved this comment ( for the first time in his life ) the very first time he went out as a woman.
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Post by darkpast on Sept 21, 2018 17:47:40 GMT
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Post by Skaathar on Sept 21, 2018 17:48:54 GMT
Well yeah, I know of the "show us a smile, dear" harrassment that a number of women go through, and I agree it's abhorrent. But that still doesn't answer my original question which was: Is Brie Larson being asked to smile OUTSIDE of her portrayal of Captain Marvel? Because if not then it's not really that different from the criticisms levied against Cavill. Apples to apples, please. Do you really think movies like Room or Short Term 12 are going to attract the same kinds of fans in the same numbers as a Marvel superhero flick? You seem to be missing my point. Both Cavill and Larson were critized for not smiling enough due to their roles in superhero movies. You claim that it's different. I'm asking you to prove it and so far, nothing you've said is proof, just a bunch of deflections. The comments regarding Larson and smiles is directly a result of her Captain Marvel, same way the criticisms against Cavill were a direct result of his portrayal of Superman. I'm not arguing whether it's sexist or not, wrong or not. I'm simply pointing out that your comment that "male actors never recieve the same criticisms" is wrong.
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Post by faustus5 on Sept 21, 2018 17:58:33 GMT
Apples to apples, please. Do you really think movies like Room or Short Term 12 are going to attract the same kinds of fans in the same numbers as a Marvel superhero flick? You seem to be missing my point. Both Cavill and Larson were critized for not smiling enough due to their roles in superhero movies. You claim that it's different. I'm asking you to prove it and so far, nothing you've said is proof. The comments regarding Larson and smiles is directly a result of her Captain Marvel, same way the criticisms against Cavill were a direct result of his portrayal of Superman. I'm not arguing whether it's sexist or not, wrong or not. I'm simply pointing out that your comment that "male actors never recieve the same criticisms" is wrong. Male actors don't get this kind of treatment, just as men in general don't get this kind of treatment, yet women do. Cavill's case was very specific to the legacy of his character, a legacy that is not present in the case of Captain Marvel, who is not being compared to a iconic portrayal of the same character from the 1970's.
By the way, thanks for being the only person in this thread with enough empathy and human decency to recognize that this kind of sexism exists, even if you probably disagree with me that it is present in this case.
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Post by Power Ranger on Sept 21, 2018 18:09:43 GMT
It actually is sexist. Women get told / asked to smile, by men, all the time. No one ever tells a grown man "smile!" My girlfriend has complained about this for years. If you don't have a GF, then you should go ask your sister or mother about it. I read about a MtF transgender that recieved this comment ( for the first time in his life ) the very first time he went out as a woman. Your girlfriend doesn’t smile because she is unsatisfied in the bedroom.
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Post by Skaathar on Sept 21, 2018 18:19:37 GMT
You seem to be missing my point. Both Cavill and Larson were critized for not smiling enough due to their roles in superhero movies. You claim that it's different. I'm asking you to prove it and so far, nothing you've said is proof. The comments regarding Larson and smiles is directly a result of her Captain Marvel, same way the criticisms against Cavill were a direct result of his portrayal of Superman. I'm not arguing whether it's sexist or not, wrong or not. I'm simply pointing out that your comment that "male actors never recieve the same criticisms" is wrong. Male actors don't get this kind of treatment, just as men in general don't get this kind of treatment, yet women do. Cavill's case was very specific to the legacy of his character, a legacy that is not present in the case of Captain Marvel, who is not being compared to a iconic portrayal of the same character from the 1970's.
By the way, thanks for being the only person in this thread with enough empathy and human decency to recognize that this kind of sexism exists, even if you probably disagree with me that it is present in this case.
Well I've seen this behavior done in person, in some places more than others, so I know it does exist. And as someone who does not smile often and have received comments to "lighten up", I can imagine how irritating it must be for women. Though I've also met women who like to exaggerate on how often it happens to them. There are always assholes in both sexes after all. That said, I don't think that's what's happening to Brie Larson here. I think the comments about her lack of smiling are more the results of her wooden facial expression in the Captain Marvel trailer than any form of sexist attack. There's a difference between a "serious look" and just plain "bland". That's pretty much the same criticisms against Cavill which is why I mentioned him.
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Post by NormanClature on Sept 21, 2018 18:23:39 GMT
Studios should consider all actors’ activity on social media prior to casting. And I don’t mean ‘controversial’ tweets. I mean their propensity towards vocal SJWing and reflexive counter-defending against criticism. Basically, the studios should look for people who shut TF up. I’d go even further and suggest that indulging in frequent social media activity should count against an actor. And I predict that it will be. Social media is a young medium and I think it’s use will evolve. I think it will be frowned upon because studios may like an actor’s skill but not trust their judgement at interacting with the audience. Captain Marvel has just released its first trailer and Brie Larson is already defending her role against a few comments on YouTube? She should keep quiet or else she could turn some of the audience away. Contrary to what these SJW actors think, virtue signalling does not necessarily increase the box office. She is seriously fucking annoying. Giving her this role is probably the MCU's biggest mistake so far. She is going to make all but this biggest MCU fans and SJWs want this movie to tank badly. ![](https://s26.postimg.cc/m8f14k0ih/yes.gif)
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Sept 21, 2018 18:40:10 GMT
nah you dodged his question by anecdotal deflections and generalizations. Never heard women being harassed for not smiling. Brie Larson claims quite the opposite: smiling makes lusty men ask for her number and defensive. People do not properly distinguish between direction and actor, H Cavill was defamed frequently as being wooden and uncharismatic despite the seriousness being part of his character arc (he smiles broadly at the end when he has found himself in the last shot). It applies to all people (including children actors). Larson just comes across as wooden and indifferent in this trailer cut, which is our first glimpse at this obscure character, how her performance turns out in the film, we shall see. Just to debunk your smile-discrimination theory regarding women. Tell me where these female action Heroins were ever criticized for not smiling (all of them testosterone icons for fanboys): - Furiosa in MMFR - Sarah Connor in T2 - Ripley in Alien - Leia in Star Wars (except the end) - or Wonder Woman, where does she smile in the trailer? Personally, I can see the encouragement to smile as sexist but I doubt that it was a common reaction to the trailer. I’m saying that few people would have said that so her response was the quintessential SJW schtick- to find fault where it hardly exists and fight it more than it deserves. The intention is to virtue signal more than to do any actual good for any cause. I personally advise her to act, not to smile. Some of the best female characters never smile.
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Sept 21, 2018 19:11:20 GMT
Never heard women being harassed for not smiling. I don't give a rat's ass what a clueless idiot like you has or hasn't heard of. I've witnessed this crap myself on a constant basis and read commentaries by women noting it as well.
![](https://s26.postimg.cc/tek3suwt5/laugh.gif) when the debate is lost insult becomes the tool of the loser (Socrates); the very moment you get intellectually cornered you start spiting and raging like a rabid 8 year old. Story of your life? Yes, genius, you should not care about my anecdotal experience either as it's a genuin misconception, I am sure I live in a much more enlightened and educated milieu than you. That's my point: You make fallacious arguments. yourlogicalfallacyis.com/anecdotaland what do we have here good old false dilemma fallacy, a specially obtuse one at that. At this point it is not about debate, it is about your unwavering propensity for low effort thinking. don't tell, show - or it's a burden of proof fallacy. The point you make about SMILES. Oh but now it suddenly isn't about smiles anymore….? But blatant generalizations and about shifting goalposts and special pleading - another fallacy? Like you cowardly dodged my acting debate above? Your surrender is accepted. Quod erat demonstrandum. ![](https://media.giphy.com/media/yDYAHbqe5DfyM/giphy.gif)
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Post by faustus5 on Sept 21, 2018 20:39:30 GMT
That's my point: You make fallacious arguments. You wouldn't know a fallacious argument if it bit you on your ignorant ass.
I base my views on evidence, and in this case I've seen ample evidence of this phenomenon first hand, which renders your personal opinions completely moot and irrelevant. And by the way, pumpkin, at least two other posters in this thread have agreed that they've noticed it as well. So if you haven't, I'd guess its because you aren't paying attention. It is your problem, not mine. The point was about sexism and how it manifests itself. In this case, it was about how men feel entitled to likable women, which results in stupid complaints about her not smiling. In the other cases, it manifested differently. It is a simple point that goes right over your head. In Mad Max you have a character called Furiosa with a shaved head--no one would expect her to be smiling so the sexism appears in complaining about her character getting too much screen time or existing at all. In Wonder Woman, the misogynists get a scantily clad lady, so who cares if she's smiling--they're going to be sexist pigs by whining that the very character's existence is pushing some sort of evil feminist agenda.
So to repeat: anyone who complains about her not smiling in the trailer is as dumb as fuck, because there is no basis for it. Literally the only legitimate thing you complained about was lack of affect, but we don't know if that's the way the character is supposed to be or if the trailer has a bad sampling of her performance. Gal Gadot had pretty much two expressions in the WW trailers, but the final performance was delightful and had range.
We know Larson can act, she has awards aplenty to prove it. A trailer is not a scientific sample.
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Post by senan90 on Sept 22, 2018 2:36:06 GMT
You'll have to ignore Tristan (very masculine name), he spent an entire year trolling The Force Awakens in 2016. A very sad little manchild who probably harasses women who reject him.
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Post by President Ackbar™ on Sept 22, 2018 2:40:22 GMT
You'll have to ignore Tristan (very masculine name), he spent an entire year trolling The Force Awakens in 2016. A very sad little manchild who probably harasses women who reject him. Nice sock.
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