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Post by twothousandonemark on Sept 24, 2018 21:35:59 GMT
Why doesn't Superman just save DC from everything.
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Post by DC-Fan on Sept 25, 2018 1:50:11 GMT
Nick Fury should've called Captain Marvel. But he didn't, and that's the plothole. And again until that movie comes out and we find out what the current situation is with that character then it's not a plot hole. Nobody knows what the plot is regarding that character so there can not be a hole in something we don't even know in the first place. But we do know these things so far: 1. Nick Fury met Captain Marvel some time in the 1990s. 2. Nick Fury has a pager number that he can use to call Captain Marvel any time he has an emergency. 3. Nick Fury didn't call Captain Marvel when the Chitauri invaded and started killing people and the Avengers just stood around for half an hour cracking jokes and 1-liners and were unable to stop the Chitauri. So basically, Nick Fury didn't think that aliens invading and killing humans while the Avengers were pretty much helpless and useless wasn't an emergency. That seems like a pretty big PLOTHOLE.
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Post by scabab on Sept 25, 2018 2:10:23 GMT
Right so he met Captain Marvel in the 90's and then attempted to contact her through a pager around 20 years later...
And inbetween? Is she still on Earth? Is she on another planet? Is she in hibernation? Is she imprisoned? Is she trapped in another dimension? Does Nick Fury know her exact location and situation? Have they kept in contact since the 90's?
Things that nobody knows. We'll know the answer when it releases otherwise we don't know why he didn't call her.
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Post by justanaveragejoe on Sept 25, 2018 2:32:15 GMT
You haven't seen the movie, how do you know its a plothole? I saw Avengers. When the Avengers just stood around for half an hour cracking jokes and 1-liners while the Chitauri were killing people, Fury should've called Captain Marvel then. So it's a PLOTHOLE for MCU. When were they making jokes and 1 liners while the Chitauri army was killing people troll?
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Post by ThatGuy on Sept 25, 2018 11:16:19 GMT
It's obviously not a plot hole until the movie releases and it's circumstances are revealed, that should go without saying. The plothole is in The Avengers. Because when the Chitauri were killing people and the Avengers were just standing around for half an hour doing nothing to stop the Chitauri (other than Captain America, who decided to play traffic cop and tell people where to run to, because it's New York City and the Mayor of New York City would never think of having his police officers trained on how to evacuate people in an emergency should New York City ever come under attack), Nick Fury should've called Captain Marvel. But he didn't, and that's the plothole. You are like J. Jonah Jameson on Spider-man PS4.
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Post by ThatGuy on Sept 25, 2018 11:28:58 GMT
Fury was most likely getting ready for a Skrull/Kree invasion when he created the Avengers. Depending on who the villains of Captain Marvel is. Loki wasn't on the books as an "Invader with an army" type. And he was captured. The Chitauri invasion was immediate and almost over before he could call her. There is no team called Avengers in Infinity War. So, like others have said, he called her because she was actually needed since there was no one else. There was news footage of Stark missing in space. Rogers, Natasha, Wilson and Wanda were all off the grid. Banner was missing. No way to contact Thor. She was the only person her could signal.
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Post by sostie on Sept 25, 2018 11:42:38 GMT
And again until that movie comes out and we find out what the current situation is with that character then it's not a plot hole. Nobody knows what the plot is regarding that character so there can not be a hole in something we don't even know in the first place. But we do know these things so far: 1. Nick Fury met Captain Marvel some time in the 1990s. 2. Nick Fury has a pager number that he can use to call Captain Marvel any time he has an emergency. 3. Nick Fury didn't call Captain Marvel when the Chitauri invaded and started killing people and the Avengers just stood around for half an hour cracking jokes and 1-liners and were unable to stop the Chitauri. So basically, Nick Fury didn't think that aliens invading and killing humans while the Avengers were pretty much helpless and useless wasn't an emergency. That seems like a pretty big PLOTHOLE. Plothole?!!! The film isn't even out yet. OK then....despite being dead Steve Trevor is in the new Wonder Woman film..PLOTHOLE.
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Post by PreachCaleb on Sept 25, 2018 13:12:46 GMT
And again until that movie comes out and we find out what the current situation is with that character then it's not a plot hole. Nobody knows what the plot is regarding that character so there can not be a hole in something we don't even know in the first place. But we do know these things so far: 1. Nick Fury met Captain Marvel some time in the 1990s. 2. Nick Fury has a pager number that he can use to call Captain Marvel any time he has an emergency. 3. Nick Fury didn't call Captain Marvel when the Chitauri invaded and started killing people and the Avengers just stood around for half an hour cracking jokes and 1-liners and were unable to stop the Chitauri. So basically, Nick Fury didn't think that aliens invading and killing humans while the Avengers were pretty much helpless and useless wasn't an emergency. That seems like a pretty big PLOTHOLE. That's not what plothole means.
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Post by politicidal on Sept 25, 2018 14:35:21 GMT
Bad reception.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2018 14:47:26 GMT
Nick Fury is a schemer.
If you'll recall, at the end of the first Avengers, he has a meeting with the Illuminati or board of executives or whoever the shadowy people on computer monitors are supposed to be, he goes against their wishes by not revealing the whereabouts of the Avengers and letting Thor have the Tesseract. So we know he has his own agenda.
More importantly, later in that scene, he's admonished for setting the Avengers loose on the world and he implies it was as a warning to any enemy of Earth to, you know, not come and get your shit wrecked. He's then asked by one of the shadowy people: "Was that the point of all this? A statement?" He replies "A promise." But it was a statement-- this was the ordinarily covert Nick Fury providing an open demonstration of power for all worlds to see.
What's not stated can be inferred: It was also a test of the Avengers. Fury wanted to see if they would work against an external threat.
But the easiest explanation, aside from that, is my initial statement: Nick Fury is a schemer. He never puts all his cards on the table. You don't even need a great excuse for Captain Marvel not being around; you just need a throwaway line from Fury saying "No, I think they can handle it." when asked to call in Captain Marvel to explain entirely why she wasn't present in the Avengers. It wasn't part of his plans. Perhaps he would have called her in if the Avengers had failed but they didn't.
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Sept 25, 2018 15:45:45 GMT
And again until that movie comes out and we find out what the current situation is with that character then it's not a plot hole. Nobody knows what the plot is regarding that character so there can not be a hole in something we don't even know in the first place. But we do know these things so far: 1. Nick Fury met Captain Marvel some time in the 1990s. 2. Nick Fury has a pager number that he can use to call Captain Marvel any time he has an emergency. 3. Nick Fury didn't call Captain Marvel when the Chitauri invaded and started killing people and the Avengers just stood around for half an hour cracking jokes and 1-liners and were unable to stop the Chitauri. So basically, Nick Fury didn't think that aliens invading and killing humans while the Avengers were pretty much helpless and useless wasn't an emergency. That seems like a pretty big PLOTHOLE. it's a pending plot hole.
It would indeed be a classic plot hole if Cap Marvel finally leaves Earth and Fury got the pager never using it in world-threat scenarios. Such hole would have to be filled by speculation and retcons. Such as: Cap Marvel accidently smiled when she left, and Fury was afraid to ask for her pager number, so not to make her feel defensive...
However, it would not be a plot hole if Marvel leaves with instructions like these: "There you have my pager, Fury my man! But don't you dare to call me, Captain Marvel, just for ordinary Earth invasion business! That's below my pay grade, capiche? Only in case of super-urgent emergency when like half the universe's population is killed? Cherio, Marvel powah!"
This or similar would not be a plot hole, but bad writing.
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Post by DC-Fan on Sept 25, 2018 17:08:33 GMT
But we do know these things so far: 1. Nick Fury met Captain Marvel some time in the 1990s. 2. Nick Fury has a pager number that he can use to call Captain Marvel any time he has an emergency. 3. Nick Fury didn't call Captain Marvel when the Chitauri invaded and started killing people and the Avengers just stood around for half an hour cracking jokes and 1-liners and were unable to stop the Chitauri. So basically, Nick Fury didn't think that aliens invading and killing humans while the Avengers were pretty much helpless and useless wasn't an emergency. That seems like a pretty big PLOTHOLE. Plothole?!!! The film isn't even out yet. OK then....despite being dead Steve Trevor is in the new Wonder Woman film..PLOTHOLE. That's not a plothole. In Greek mythology, Hades is the ruler of the underworld. So Hades can bring anyone back to life.
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Post by sostie on Sept 25, 2018 17:57:09 GMT
Plothole?!!! The film isn't even out yet. OK then....despite being dead Steve Trevor is in the new Wonder Woman film..PLOTHOLE. That's not a plothole. In Greek mythology, Hades is the ruler of the underworld. So Hades can bring anyone back to life. It's as much a plothole it seems as anything else that hasn't yet been explained in a movie that has yet to be released
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Post by DC-Fan on Sept 25, 2018 18:14:23 GMT
That's not a plothole. In Greek mythology, Hades is the ruler of the underworld. So Hades can bring anyone back to life. It's as much a plothole it seems as anything else that hasn't yet been explained in a movie that has yet to be released It's not a plothole because it's already explained. There are many references in Greek mythology to Hades being the ruler of the underworld and Hades having the power to bring someone back to life. The story of Persephone is an example of a case in which Hades allows Persephone to return to the world of the living for part of the year but live in the underworld during the Winter months.
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Post by sostie on Sept 25, 2018 18:16:58 GMT
It's as much a plothole it seems as anything else that hasn't yet been explained in a movie that has yet to be released It's not a plothole because it's already explained. 1. Neither is Fury not contacting Captain Marvel...yet 2. Where is it confirmed that the reasons you give is why Trevor appears in the new WW film?
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Post by DC-Fan on Sept 25, 2018 18:24:30 GMT
It's not a plothole because it's already explained. 1.Neither is Fury not contacting Captain Marvel That was never explained in The Avengers why Nick Fury didn't call Captain Marvel when the Chitauri were invading and killing people and the Avengers just stood around cracking jokes and 1-liners for half an hour with no plan at all to defeat the Chitauri. So it is a PLOTHOLE. 2. Where is it confirmed that the reasons you give is why Trevor appears in the new WW film? Steve Trevor, the Mother Boxes, and Superman
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Post by sostie on Sept 25, 2018 18:31:28 GMT
1.Neither is Fury not contacting Captain Marvel That was never explained in The Avengers why Nick Fury didn't call Captain Marvel when the Chitauri were invading and killing people and the Avengers just stood around cracking jokes and 1-liners for half an hour with no plan at all to defeat the Chitauri. So it is a PLOTHOLE. You what? Seriously...stop wasting people's time A rumour is not confirmation
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Post by bud47 on Sept 25, 2018 18:43:45 GMT
1.Neither is Fury not contacting Captain Marvel That was never explained in The Avengers why Nick Fury didn't call Captain Marvel when the Chitauri were invading and killing people and the Avengers just stood around cracking jokes and 1-liners for half an hour with no plan at all to defeat the Chitauri. So it is a PLOTHOLE. 2. Where is it confirmed that the reasons you give is why Trevor appears in the new WW film? Steve Trevor, the Mother Boxes, and Superman Are you for real with this cherry-picking? So you just nitpick MCU films right? Everything else gets a free pass with some made up explanation or convenient excuse? I get why people find you so entertaining. This place would be pretty boring without you.
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Post by Nalkarj on Sept 25, 2018 19:04:57 GMT
To argue with DC-Fan, we have got to have a plan for the points we raise and questions that we ask. We must be strong of mind and spirit, up to grin and bear and hear it, even if he makes us wish we had a flask— because, even though we love him, he can make us want to shove him; for certain, he’s a live one, DC-Fan! If we criticize his role, well, he’ll say, “I’m not a troll,” and keep on ranting like a crazy man! And we say, “Oh, DC-Fan, you’re the very best at deadpan of any poster here we’ve ever known. And that’s why at your posts we never groan”— or at least we hope it’s deadpan, DC-Fan!
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Post by lenlenlen1 on Sept 25, 2018 19:41:20 GMT
Because MCU wasn't ready to give a solo female her own movie yet?
DCU! FIRST! LOL!
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