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Post by dirtypillows on Oct 2, 2018 16:54:26 GMT
Fun Fact #2 - In Aztec language, avocados = "testicles". (becsuse of their shape and size, YOWZA) All that spirit and soul in there? Can you imagine it? OMG, if you haven't, read Gore Vidal's Duluth sometime. He makes hilarious use of that in this novel. Wow, thanks Amyghost. I read "Myra Breckenridge" and loved it. It was so funny and so clever. I've never even heard of "Duluth". In fact, I never knew that Vidal ever wrote much besides all those historical, fact-based novels that I have no interest in... It was really funny, huh? I am definitely going to check that out!
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Post by dirtypillows on Oct 2, 2018 17:18:24 GMT
My sentiments Gamey. How can another male feel repulsion over another males body and all the parts that come with it, when he owns the same himself? Heck, even when aroused, he has to acknowledge the masculine aspect of what his genitals are doing and how they can make him feel and this has nothing to do with females. It is just unadulterated maleness and arousal for the maleness of the self. Exactly. Homo means "same" in Greek. Phobia means "fear". Homophobia is technically fear of the same. If you watch tv commercials, you always see women getting really in depth about feminine bodies and the beauty of being female and the tone of the commercial is always very sensual and even semi-erotic. But I have never seen a commercial with a male doing these same things. The closest you get is a shaving commercial. So I guess that says something. Side note: You hear certain women complaining A LOT about so many things. but when I was a kid what struck me most was how women really had it easier because they were given carte blanche on expressing emotions. Guys were supposed to be rough and tough and silent and I had no time for that and it really did anger me that I really was all alone on that score. My parents hated it when I would voice my opinion. Because, I am sure, this meant that their kid was gay and it terrified them. (Actually I've often wondered if my dad was gay or not. There are things...) All of the other injustices didn't make much of an impact when I first started noticing the world around me. But I never once wished that I was straight.
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Oct 2, 2018 17:32:21 GMT
Exactly. Homo means "same" in Greek. Phobia means "fear". Homophobia is technically fear of the same. If you watch tv commercials, you always see women getting really in depth about feminine bodies and the beauty of being female and the tone of the commercial is always very sensual and even semi-erotic. But I have never seen a commercial with a male doing these same things. The closest you get is a shaving commercial. So I guess that says something. Because we don't tend to care and we don't tend to compare ourselves with each other. We care about our bodies in primarily a couple of different ways - health & possibly competition. Fear has little to nothing to do with it
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Post by dirtypillows on Oct 2, 2018 18:07:44 GMT
If you watch tv commercials, you always see women getting really in depth about feminine bodies and the beauty of being female and the tone of the commercial is always very sensual and even semi-erotic. But I have never seen a commercial with a male doing these same things. The closest you get is a shaving commercial. So I guess that says something. Because we don't tend to care and we don't tend to compare ourselves with each other.We care about our bodies in primarily a couple of different ways - health & possibly competition. Fear has little to nothing to do with it Are you sure about this? I used to go the gym and guys were always checking each other out and not for the purpose of cruising. They were checking each others' bodies to see how the competition stacked up. They absolutely were comparing themselves to each other. Every bit as much as women do, and maybe even more, though males are going to be less likely to admit this. Maybe apprehension is a somewhat more accurate word. And sometimes I think it's like the elephant in the room. Nobody wants to talk about it, let alone straight guys. That's very much where women have an advantage. Though I suppose the gap is starting to narrow, even if in baby steps. One time I was in the men's sauna (I've shared this story before) and there were a couple of really well built guys in there and you could sense the admiration (possible a little envy) and the way they could command attention based on their physiques. This is not a new concept. Then after a little while, this skinny, underdeveloped guy walked in. Well, Mr. Skinny & Underdeveloped had a HUGE schlong and "BOOM POW WOW", the guys with the muscles totally dipped in status right then and there. Suddenly it was all about the dude with the huge dong. And believe me, he absolutely knew it! Guys check each other out BIG TIME!!!
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Oct 2, 2018 18:19:35 GMT
Because we don't tend to care and we don't tend to compare ourselves with each other.We care about our bodies in primarily a couple of different ways - health & possibly competition. Fear has little to nothing to do with it Are you sure about this? I used to go the gym and guys were always checking each other out and not for the purpose of cruising. They were checking each others' bodies to see how the competition stacked up. They absolutely were comparing themselves to each other. Every bit as much as women do, and maybe even more, though males are going to be less likely to admit this. Maybe apprehension is a somewhat more accurate word. And sometimes I think it's like the elephant in the room. Nobody wants to talk about it, let alone straight guys. That's very much where women have an advantage. Though I suppose the gap is starting to narrow, even if in baby steps. One time I was in the men's sauna (I've shared this story before) and there were a couple of really well built guys in there and you could sense the admiration (possible a little envy) and the way they could command attention based on their physiques. This is not a new concept. Then after a little while, this skinny, underdeveloped guy walked in. Well, Mr. Skinny & Underdeveloped had a HUGE schlong and "BOOM POW WOW", the guys with the muscles totally dipped in status right then and there. Suddenly it was all about the dude with the huge dong. And believe me, he absolutely knew it! Guys check each other out BIG TIME!!! I don't think it's apprehension as much as it is indifference. We can acknowledge the appearance of other dudes and have it not impact out lives which Gameboy seems to equate with repulsion which is stupid. However, I would argue that gym culture is not normal behavior. When dudes check each other out at the gym it always appears to me to be about performance...similar to "Job well done" or when we are wowed by sheer athleticism... or maybe a big schlong. In any event, we aren't actually wanting that big schlong. I wouldn't even say we are envious of the big schlong unless we have a tiny one. Women will often concern themselves with their looks regardless of health implications or even if anyone is around to see how beautiful they are. So of course, this occurs when they are together because society has insisted that they constantly concern themselves with their appearance and track them against others and in particular the model industry. Guys have never had a similar pressure and even the commercials you mention have to do with comfort for the dude. I have never seen dudes referring to each other in an attracted sense except maybe as a morale booster unless they were gay. It is not unusual for a straight dude to never be attracted to another dude unless they are keeping to themselves.
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Oct 2, 2018 19:28:14 GMT
I don't think it's apprehension as much as it is indifference. We can acknowledge the appearance of other dudes and have it not impact out lives which Gameboy seems to equate with repulsion which is stupid. However, I would argue that gym culture is not normal behavior. When dudes check each other out at the gym it always appears to me to be about performance...similar to "Job well done" or when we are wowed by sheer athleticism... or maybe a big schlong. In any event, we aren't actually wanting that big schlong. I wouldn't even say we are envious of the big schlong unless we have a tiny one. Women will often concern themselves with their looks regardless of health implications or even if anyone is around to see how beautiful they are. So of course, this occurs when they are together because society has insisted that they constantly concern themselves with their appearance and track them against others and in particular the model industry. Guys have never had a similar pressure and even the commercials you mention have to do with comfort for the dude. I have never seen dudes referring to each other in an attracted sense except maybe as a morale booster unless they were gay. It is not unusual for a straight dude to never be attracted to another dude unless they are keeping to themselves. I'd say cool, it has more to do with rigidity with many males, regarding other males bodies and even their own. If they embraced their own more—as it has been pointed out that women tend to do, regardless of their orientation—I see it as a conditioned societal construct as gameboy has also pointed out and nothing more. Men are men and yet they need to get with women to be seen as a real man. I don't get that contradiction. I'm not sure why acceptance is being conflated with embracing it which, by insisting on using the word self-hate means we are supposed to self-love our bodies which would still have nothing to do with finding men attractive or not. That would simply be narcissism. Further guys, like women, can easily acknowledge how handsome a dude might be even if attraction is something that is naturally gross to them. I'm not sure why there us an attempt to combine a bunch of terms that have little to do with each other
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Oct 2, 2018 20:59:17 GMT
I'm not sure why acceptance is being conflated with embracing it which, by insisting on using the word self-hate means we are supposed to self-love our bodies which would still have nothing to do with finding men attractive or not. That would simply be narcissism. Further guys, like women, can easily acknowledge how handsome a dude might be even if attraction is something that is naturally gross to them. I'm not sure why there us an attempt to combine a bunch of terms that have little to do with each other If society has consistently conditioned women to concern themselves with their appearance—which is also what you claim—then society has consistently conditioned men to concern themselves with how they are not supposed to feel regarding other men. Why would it not work both ways?
Acceptance and embracement of ones own gender goes hand in hand on a physical level. Otherwise, we would only be hanging out with the opposite all the time. There would be some real serious self-hate or self-loathing issues going on otherwise. That is where the immature 'grossness' aspect comes into play regarding attraction. "Gees buddy! You're a good looking guy, but I still find you gross". Does it really work that way, or is this just something that guys are supposed to feel, because its been conditioned onto males that it's NOT cool to admire another male physically or even sexually because of homophobia?
Cool, I can't talk for you as straight man and I don't get the sexual dynamic for what males feel for females, although I can fully acknowledge the attractive looks aspect of females, but I do so for males as well. I just feel it is pure hypocrisy that males, and as dirtypillows has also pointed out, are not supposed to express their opinions or emotions in the manner that females have. This IS a construct of what both religion and secular society have done to males combined. Any feminine traits have to be contained internally, not expressed due to fear of being labelled a homo, and yet the feminine is something that is supposed to be embraced externally on a sexual and softing level. Pfffft! I feel sorry for straight men, if they have to have women to temper their testosterone and masculinity. It is dis-empowering as a gender.
You can't be conditioned over inaction. The standard is to not concern oneself in relation to others and men tend to excel at that unless it hinders them from getting the girl or the trophy. Acceptance at the physical level is fine. That's the same thing as being satisfied with what we've got. Embracing is not. It's an elevated form of loving oneself that is only necessary for ones who would otherwise lack confidence. The word "gross" is not immature. It's simply a word to describe how one feels about a particular thing. There is nothing wrong with being grossed out about having sex with a dude. It's normal for a hetero and one is welcome to use a more palatable word to describe the same thing. I like using it in part because this is not the first conversation where gay dudes take offense to it and I want to see if the tradition continues. it does which I find fascinating. To me, it's on par with my view toward chicken livers, horror movies, & whatever else I wouldn't find appealing - a nothingburger. I am ok with being pitied as a weak straight guy just like I'm Ok with being called self-loathing gay, a homophobe, or whatever else someone gets wrong about me.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2018 1:16:27 GMT
Yes, I agree. There is only one scale, heterosexual to homosexual with bisexual in between . Asexuals belong on a psychiatrist's couch not on that list. It's an illness, not a sexual orientation.I don't see it as a mental illness, but perhaps more of a lack of acknowledgement that they just aren't that attractive to most and no-one wants to f<>k them. Or they just lack confidence in themselves. Some people have more sex drive than others, but unless there is physiological issue, its all in the mind about not being sexual. So many people have those similar issues yet don't refer themselves as asexual. I think it has more to do with wanting to feel different from most people and probably because they're already different in other ways such as socially and emotionally. They probably don't feel a connection to most people either and that could indicate a deeper problem or some mental illness.
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Post by Aj_June on Oct 3, 2018 1:36:50 GMT
Gameboy - Magneto of homo movement.
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Post by Aj_June on Oct 3, 2018 2:15:05 GMT
The sheer assumptions people make about the people they don't know is absolutely mind boggling. If somebody is different then they have got to be mentally ill! At least think well of other groups if you don't care to educate yourself.
List of assumptions that have no basis and is coming from people's ass. 1) Asexual people do not have romantic relations with others. Lol someone doesn't understand difference between aromantic and asexual. 2) Asexual people are mentally ill . ( it would require an asexual person to feel severe distress because of lack of sexuality that inhibits his or her functioning to be called mentally ill). 3) Asexuality is choice because people want to feel special - OH OK, quacks. Celibacy is choice not asexuality.
Now people can continue with their stupid beliefs but none of that is supported by actual facts and views of medical and psychiatric experts. It is like stupid heteros deciding how homosexuality is mental illness because they are too stupid to think not everybody is supposed to be like them. Lol at people putting their own assumptions to people who are different from them.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2018 3:29:50 GMT
The sheer assumptions people make about the people they don't know is absolutely mind boggling. If somebody is different then they have got to be mentally ill! At least think well of other groups if you don't care to educate yourself. List of assumptions that have no basis and is coming from people's ass. 1) Asexual people do not have romantic relations with others. Lol someone doesn't understand difference between aromantic and asexual. 2) Asexual people are mentally ill . ( it would require an asexual person to feel severe distress because of lack of sexuality that inhibits his or her functioning to be called mentally ill). 3) Asexuality is choice because people want to feel special - OH OK, quacks. Celibacy is choice not asexuality. Now people can continue with their stupid beliefs but none of that is supported by actual facts and views of medical and psychiatric experts. It is like stupid heteros deciding how homosexuality is mental illness because they are too stupid to think not everybody is supposed to be like them. Lol at people putting their own assumptions to people who are different from them. The belief that asexuality is considered a sexual orientation is controversial. Part of me believes that it isn't because I see it as neglecting your own body and natural sexuality. Since we are sexual and emotional beings it would be more likely considered dysfunctional if someone didn't experience either of those and can be seen that some other environmental factors could have prevented them to express their sexuality. Mental illness can also be a possibility. I'm not making full on assumptions but I'm not discrediting the possibilities either. I think in order to classify something as a sexual orientation a person should at least be sexually attracted to someone. To me saying asexuality is a sexual orientation is like saying that atheism is a religion. It can get away with being called one but it technically isn't truly one based on the definition.
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Post by NewtJorden on Oct 3, 2018 3:30:50 GMT
Heterosexual
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Post by Aj_June on Oct 3, 2018 3:32:37 GMT
The sheer assumptions people make about the people they don't know is absolutely mind boggling. If somebody is different then they have got to be mentally ill! At least think well of other groups if you don't care to educate yourself. List of assumptions that have no basis and is coming from people's ass. 1) Asexual people do not have romantic relations with others. Lol someone doesn't understand difference between aromantic and asexual. 2) Asexual people are mentally ill . ( it would require an asexual person to feel severe distress because of lack of sexuality that inhibits his or her functioning to be called mentally ill). 3) Asexuality is choice because people want to feel special - OH OK, quacks. Celibacy is choice not asexuality. Now people can continue with their stupid beliefs but none of that is supported by actual facts and views of medical and psychiatric experts. It is like stupid heteros deciding how homosexuality is mental illness because they are too stupid to think not everybody is supposed to be like them. Lol at people putting their own assumptions to people who are different from them. Wait a second. We're talking about a sexual orientation. My problem here is that "asexuality" is being called a sexual orientation on par with others. Human beings are sexual creatures. That's why we have genitals and hormones. Be honest with yourself instead of being politically correct. Are not humans and all animals designed to be sexual beings? And if they are, how are we 'talking out of our ass' when we say asexuality is an illness? And it's not only you, but the leadership of the LGBT rights movement who are equating asexuality to homosexuality. Because homosexuality is healthy and normal, that does not mean every sexual aberration from bestiality to pedophilia is normal and healthy as well. No, I don't want asexuals trying to turn my movement for freedom of healthy sexuality into a joke which advocates every bizarre perversion known to man. And sorry, crazy people don't have to feel distress with their craziness in order to be crazy. But we can say as people who have full satisfying romantic and sexual relationships with other human beings that we are healthier. I may not be as a happy as an imbecile drooling and laughing at a piece of string. But I know I'm living a complete life. Asexuals are not. They need treatment, not pandering to their illness. I don't care a dime about what you or anyone else considers sexual orientation. It means zero to me if you do not count asexuality as a sexual orientation. I am not interested in defining sexual orientation. Asexual people are not mentally ill is my observation and a view supported by current experts in the field of psychiatry and medicine. I have personally known a few asexual people and there is nothing ill about their minds. They are all inteligent, normally functioning and attractive people. If you have to believe in your assumptions then I can't stop you. But that doesn't change my opinion or opinion held among relevant experts in the field. Another idiotic assumption that people make about asexuals- nobody finds them attractive and thus they become asexual!
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Post by Aj_June on Oct 3, 2018 4:22:57 GMT
The sheer assumptions people make about the people they don't know is absolutely mind boggling. If somebody is different then they have got to be mentally ill! At least think well of other groups if you don't care to educate yourself. List of assumptions that have no basis and is coming from people's ass. 1) Asexual people do not have romantic relations with others. Lol someone doesn't understand difference between aromantic and asexual. 2) Asexual people are mentally ill . ( it would require an asexual person to feel severe distress because of lack of sexuality that inhibits his or her functioning to be called mentally ill). 3) Asexuality is choice because people want to feel special - OH OK, quacks. Celibacy is choice not asexuality. Now people can continue with their stupid beliefs but none of that is supported by actual facts and views of medical and psychiatric experts. It is like stupid heteros deciding how homosexuality is mental illness because they are too stupid to think not everybody is supposed to be like them. Lol at people putting their own assumptions to people who are different from them. The belief that asexuality is considered a sexual orientation is controversial. Part of me believes that it isn't because I see it as neglecting your own body and natural sexuality. Since we are sexual and emotional beings it would be more likely considered dysfunctional if someone didn't experience either of those and can be seen that some other environmental factors could have prevented them to express their sexuality. Mental illness can also be a possibility. I'm not making full on assumptions but I'm not discrediting the possibilities either. I think in order to classify something as a sexual orientation a person should at least be sexually attracted to someone. To me saying asexuality is a sexual orientation is like saying that atheism is a religion. It can get away with being called one but it technically isn't truly one based on the definition. I personally have no objections to you if you do not count asexuality as sexual orientation but I do like to observe that you should not make unfavourable opinions of a group that you do not understand well. This is not a good behaviour because mental illness has a stigma attached to it and you shouldn't automatically label the term (even possibility) on a community whose members do not suffer from mental illness.
Mental illness may be defined as
"mental illness is a clinically diagnosable disorder that significantly interferes with an individual's cognitive, emotional or social abilities."
or another way mental illness can be defined as "A mental disorder, also called a mental illness[2] or psychiatric disorder, is a behavioral or mental pattern that causes significant distress or impairment of personal functioning."
These definitions of mental illness (and most definitions by medical experts or legal institutions) do not apply on asexual people unless one is suffering from mental illness for reasons other than asexuality. Further it seems from your post that I quote below that you do not fully understand asexuality.
Asexual people do not necessarily not experience sexual arousal. A vast number of them do experience sexual arousals. What separates them is how they respond to their sexual arousals.
There are no physiological differences between asexual people and those of any other sexual orientation. The only thing that's different is that the sexual response of asexuals is not connected to another person. If you have Netflix, go watch (A)sexual, because the people interviewed in the film do a good job of explaining what sexual arousal and masturbation are like for asexual people. A few use the phrase "cleaning out the plumbing." They can still feel sexual pleasure; they just don't fantasize about sharing it with someone else.
Now if these people choose not to respond to their sexual arousal in a way others do then it doesn't make them mentally ill just as celibate people are not mentally ill. These people do not necessarily not have romantic relations with others. Many of them do.
It’s not a disorder.
Whether or not asexuality should be considered a kind of sexual disorder — akin to hypoactive sexual desire disorder, for example — is something sex researchers have debated. But in this paper (and in others before it), Bogaert argues against the idea. For one, he writes, just because it’s rare doesn’t mean it’s necessarily a disorder. For another, to pathologize asexuality would imply that it is distressful in some way to those who have it, he argues — and yet the evidence suggests that those who identify as asexual aren’t bothered by their own asexuality. (By definition, a disorder must be something that causes the individual distress, disability, or something that poses a risk to their health.)
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Post by Aj_June on Oct 3, 2018 4:50:10 GMT
I don't care a dime about what you or anyone else considers sexual orientation. It means zero to me if you do not count asexuality as a sexual orientation. I am not interested in defining sexual orientation. Asexual people are not mentally ill is my observation and a view supported by current experts in the field of psychiatry and medicine. I have personally known a few asexual people and there is nothing ill about their minds. They are all inteligent, normally functioning and attractive people. If you have to believe in your assumptions then I can't stop you. But that doesn't change my opinion or opinion held among relevant experts in the field. Another idiotic assumption that people make about asexuals- nobody finds them attractive and thus they become asexual! Well then I don't know what thread you think you're on or what topic we're discussing. I'm talking about fools who think asexuality is healthy sexual orientation, like the politically correct agendist, like the LGBT movement, and like a politicized mental health establishment. I'm not arguing there is anything wrong with a widow who loses interest in sex after his wife dies. I'm not saying I don't understand why a woman who was physically and sexually abused would lose interest in sex. Since you seem to be confused, lets look at the definition of asexuality from an asexual rights organization. They call it a sexual orientation. There is a sex drive but ZERO sexual attraction to another human being, male or female. Sorry, these people are self-consumed narcissists who fear closeness with other people. I can think of no other reason why they look at the best looking man or the most beautiful woman, or even someone who loves and cares about them, as if they are a goddamn rock. They're sick, even sociopathic. And what a social science like psychology says doesn't concern me. They change their criteria with every new social trend which comes along. I didn't respect or believe the APA before 1973 when they claimed homosexuality was a mental illness. And I don't give one whit that those pretentious blowhards now say my sex life is normal. They've proven they tout a social science which follows social bias and trends, not hard facts. Once again, if you are against people who feel asexuality is separate sexual orientation then I have nothing to say about that. I do not care about sexual orientation. You are welcome to believe in whatever you want.
I had a point to make on particular mistaken assumptions people hold about asexuals that are contrary to facts and views of medical experts.
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Post by dirtypillows on Oct 3, 2018 5:06:51 GMT
I don't see it as a mental illness, but perhaps more of a lack of acknowledgement that they just aren't that attractive to most and no-one wants to f<>k them. Or they just lack confidence in themselves. Some people have more sex drive than others, but unless there is physiological issue, its all in the mind about not being sexual. So many people have those similar issues yet don't refer themselves as asexual. I think it has more to do with wanting to feel different from most people and probably because they're already different in other ways such as socially and emotionally. They probably don't feel a connection to most people either and that could indicate a deeper problem or some mental illness. Wow, you really hit the nail on the head! I have a friend who has Asperger's and says he hasn't had sex in about 20 years. He identifies as gay as men were the gender he used to have sex with, but also as asexual as he said his sex drive just kind of dissipated. He also seems to love being different. (It's kind of annoying at times.) But he's also extremely intelligent and he said that he has sublimated (gosh, I love that word) his sex drive into other channels. He's such a wizard at different things that I can't help but believe him. He's also ultra-sensitive and I would say genuine almost to a fault (that sounds weird when I type it out) that somehow the physical thrill of sex is not, for lack of a better word, spiritual enough for him. His thing is music. Music music music. I tell you it's music. And he does, like you have also said, have problems connecting with other people. I also think maybe sex confuses him. I don't think he understands normal give and take. Poor guy.
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Post by dirtypillows on Oct 3, 2018 5:24:22 GMT
Are you sure about this? I used to go the gym and guys were always checking each other out and not for the purpose of cruising. They were checking each others' bodies to see how the competition stacked up. They absolutely were comparing themselves to each other. Every bit as much as women do, and maybe even more, though males are going to be less likely to admit this. Maybe apprehension is a somewhat more accurate word. And sometimes I think it's like the elephant in the room. Nobody wants to talk about it, let alone straight guys. That's very much where women have an advantage. Though I suppose the gap is starting to narrow, even if in baby steps. One time I was in the men's sauna (I've shared this story before) and there were a couple of really well built guys in there and you could sense the admiration (possible a little envy) and the way they could command attention based on their physiques. This is not a new concept. Then after a little while, this skinny, underdeveloped guy walked in. Well, Mr. Skinny & Underdeveloped had a HUGE schlong and "BOOM POW WOW", the guys with the muscles totally dipped in status right then and there. Suddenly it was all about the dude with the huge dong. And believe me, he absolutely knew it! Guys check each other out BIG TIME!!! I don't think it's apprehension as much as it is indifference. We can acknowledge the appearance of other dudes and have it not impact out lives which Gameboy seems to equate with repulsion which is stupid. However, I would argue that gym culture is not normal behavior. When dudes check each other out at the gym it always appears to me to be about performance...similar to "Job well done" or when we are wowed by sheer athleticism... or maybe a big schlong. In any event, we aren't actually wanting that big schlong. I wouldn't even say we are envious of the big schlong unless we have a tiny one. Women will often concern themselves with their looks regardless of health implications or even if anyone is around to see how beautiful they are. So of course, this occurs when they are together because society has insisted that they constantly concern themselves with their appearance and track them against others and in particular the model industry. Guys have never had a similar pressure and even the commercials you mention have to do with comfort for the dude. I have never seen dudes referring to each other in an attracted sense except maybe as a morale booster unless they were gay. It is not unusual for a straight dude to never be attracted to another dude unless they are keeping to themselves.
I never said it impacted a guy's life for another guy to be better looking than him, or have a better physique or whatever. My gosh, what a dismal prospect that would be! But I do know that when I came out to friends at the age of 18, they were cool, and yet their common reaction was "well, that's fine if you're gay, but I'm 100% straight, man!" That sounds a little excitable to me. You seem like you're contradicting yourself. If a guy is wowed by a big schlong, then he is wowed by a big schlong and I know in my heart or hearts that a guy can be fascinated by another guy's big dick and not be gay. It would be like an extension of penis envy, I suppose. Of course, I also believe that there are a handful of guys out there who are, like you say, indifferent. But I would hesitate to place them in the majority. I think it's pretty normal. I think most guys would like to have a bigger dick. It may not be in their top three wishes for the genie in a bottle, but I think most guys have considered the prospect at least a couple times. When I used to take a group shower and there happened to be a guy who was unusually well-endowed, I loved to watch other guys' reactions! And they almost always did have some sort of reaction. They were trying so hard not to stare and then real quick they'd take a peek! I always wanted to shout "Hey! Caught you looking!" That was always so funny to me. Okay, so lastly, so if a straight guy is never attracted to another guy "unless they are keeping it to themselves", then doesn't that mean they're not straight? But rather closeted?
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Post by dirtypillows on Oct 3, 2018 5:24:55 GMT
Only four fags out of the entire bunch?!!! That's appalling!!!
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Oct 3, 2018 11:05:03 GMT
I don't think it's apprehension as much as it is indifference. We can acknowledge the appearance of other dudes and have it not impact out lives which Gameboy seems to equate with repulsion which is stupid. However, I would argue that gym culture is not normal behavior. When dudes check each other out at the gym it always appears to me to be about performance...similar to "Job well done" or when we are wowed by sheer athleticism... or maybe a big schlong. In any event, we aren't actually wanting that big schlong. I wouldn't even say we are envious of the big schlong unless we have a tiny one. Women will often concern themselves with their looks regardless of health implications or even if anyone is around to see how beautiful they are. So of course, this occurs when they are together because society has insisted that they constantly concern themselves with their appearance and track them against others and in particular the model industry. Guys have never had a similar pressure and even the commercials you mention have to do with comfort for the dude. I have never seen dudes referring to each other in an attracted sense except maybe as a morale booster unless they were gay. It is not unusual for a straight dude to never be attracted to another dude unless they are keeping to themselves.
I never said it impacted a guy's life for another guy to be better looking than him, or have a better physique or whatever. My gosh, what a dismal prospect that would be! But I do know that when I came out to friends at the age of 18, they were cool, and yet their common reaction was "well, that's fine if you're gay, but I'm 100% straight, man!" That sounds a little excitable to me. You seem like you're contradicting yourself. If a guy is wowed by a big schlong, then he is wowed by a big schlong and I know in my heart or hearts that a guy can be fascinated by another guy's big dick and not be gay. It would be like an extension of penis envy, I suppose. Of course, I also believe that there are a handful of guys out there who are, like you say, indifferent. But I would hesitate to place them in the majority. I think it's pretty normal. I think most guys would like to have a bigger dick. It may not be in their top three wishes for the genie in a bottle, but I think most guys have considered the prospect at least a couple times. When I used to take a group shower and there happened to be a guy who was unusually well-endowed, I loved to watch other guys' reactions! And they almost always did have some sort of reaction. They were trying so hard not to stare and then real quick they'd take a peek! I always wanted to shout "Hey! Caught you looking!" That was always so funny to me. Okay, so lastly, so if a straight guy is never attracted to another guy "unless they are keeping it to themselves", then doesn't that mean they're not straight? But rather closeted? Well, I don't agree that wow is the same no matter what. I's always contextual. Somebody's always going to be wowed in the same way they are if they see a bearded lady if someone walks in with something horse sized. So even though everyone may be seeing something freakish, the feeling that "wow" engenders is wildly different between different people. That's why I keep bringing up competition. If a player runs 100 yards for a touchdown, the act in and of itself is impressive, but the reaction is different depending on if he's on your team or not.
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