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Post by mslo79 on Oct 6, 2018 6:07:49 GMT
While I do like and re-watch some super hero movies (not many are worth re-watching though) I think the genre as a whole is largely forgettable and surely nothing to warrant the high $$$ they make in the theaters. hell, my favorite super hero movie is Man of Steel (2013) and even that I still only enjoy enough to score a 6-6.5/10 which makes it within my Top 235 movies. all other super hero movies that I have seen are a 6/10 at best, which 6/10's are still worth re-watching, but once something hit a 5/10 or less it's no longer worth re-watching. but apparently super hero movies have enough appeal with the young crowds which probably make up the bulk of those who watch movies in the theaters I suspect. it's almost like if someone wants to make quick $, just make a super hero movie as unless it's pretty bad chances are your going to make a decent profit especially if the budget is nothing too large. like super hero movies with name characters pretty much sell themselves. but it makes me wonder if super hero movies will continue to make solid $$$ for the foreseeable future or not as you could basically say that, for the most part, they have only been real popular since the early 2000's to date. so call it roughly 15 years. I just wonder if those can roughly sustain the level of $$$ they are now for many years to come or will they slowly fizzle out in another 10-20 years? ; but if they ain't mostly fizzled in another 10-15 years my guess is they will be here to stay for a long time with them being made at least occasionally even if their popularity drops a fair amount from where they are now. but who knows... maybe super hero movies now are somewhat like Westerns used to be many years ago? ; as it seemed the Western, from what I can tell, was quite popular for decades back in the day but then eventually seemed to slow down and drop off the radar a bit. so maybe super hero movies will be similar in that we could still have 10-20+ years of solid popularity left? just some thoughts. moviemouthTrue, but I apply that standard to movies in general as the more a movie does that the higher I score it and the less it does that the lower I score it. with that said... I tend to find far more non-super hero movies to be more entertaining than super hero movies are. sure, like I already said in my post above, I do like and re-watch some super hero movies but they tend to fall shy of My Favorite Movie level status which separates the gems from 'just another movie', pretty much. or if I looked at things only in terms of movies I scored a 6/10 (i.e. movies I mildly like)... if I look strictly at movies I score a 6/10 (excluding any 6-6.5/10's), in this regard some super hero movies are probably on the higher tier of those for me. but I guess looking at it from another angle... depending on the super hero movie, the super hero movie 'may' be a slightly safer bet for me over a random non-super hero movie I have not seen, especially at this point in time given I feel I have pretty much seen just about all of the movies of any real worth for me from the past etc. so overall I can't really dis the genre too much like some do, but I can definitely say the genre as a whole is quite overrated by the masses based on $$$ they make in the theaters and the IMDb average ratings of a typical super hero movie seem quite inflated. just some thoughts. |
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Post by Primemovermithrax Pejorative on Oct 6, 2018 6:16:09 GMT
That may be true for SOME of the audience. Me and many others love and anticipate superhero movies. I only go to the cinema when there is something there I am interested in and superhero movies interest me.
People may want fantasy but that doesn't mean they only want the costumed crimefighter kind-and especially not the "let's sit and schlep about the Accords and your mother's name" kind.
Films dictated by hedge fund managers who attend social events with Hillary do not really have a pulse on public tastes.
Robocop was a good superhero film. Most modern ones don't come close to generating the same kind of action and excitement.
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Post by moviemouth on Oct 6, 2018 6:18:55 GMT
That may be true for SOME of the audience. Me and many others love and anticipate superhero movies. I only go to the cinema when there is something there I am interested in and superhero movies interest me.
People may want fantasy but that doesn't mean they only want the costumed crimefighter kind-and especially not the "let's sit and schlep about the Accords and your mother's name" kind.
Films dictated by hedge fund managers who attend social events with Hillary do not really have a pulse on public tastes.
Robocop was a good superhero film. Most modern ones don't come close to generating the same kind of action and excitement.
I disagree. I don't think RoboCop is all that exciting. |
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Post by Primemovermithrax Pejorative on Oct 6, 2018 6:32:59 GMT
I disagree. I don't think RoboCop is all that exciting. So what's your idea of excitement? Tony Stark doing a monologue about relieving himself in a suit of armor?
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Post by moviemouth on Oct 6, 2018 6:39:18 GMT
I disagree. I don't think RoboCop is all that exciting. So what's your idea of excitement? Tony Stark doing a monologue about relieving himself in a suit of armor?
I like Iron Man about as much as RoboCop. I actually do find that scene amusing though. It's just silly and that is why it is fun to watch. That scene shows what an irresponsible douchbag Tony Stark can be. I do find it a bit funny that you bring up many people's least favorite scene of the entire MCU to back up your argument though. Do I wish that more artistry and effort was put into these movies? Yes, but I still enjoy most of them for what they are. Silly fun. I just love the tropes of the genre and they never gets old for me. Basically I like the genre because it lets me pretend I am a kid again for a couple hours, it lets me imagine what it would be like to have super abilities. RoboCop still follows the same basic premise. Man becomes superhero, deals with his change emotionally and fights the bad guys. Throw in some commentary and OTT violence and there you have it. |
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Post by Roberto on Oct 7, 2018 13:40:40 GMT
Because they're interested in superheroes. No. Maybe initially that was the case. It's much more complicated than that. See my post above. Also have you made a steak yet using my method? |
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Post by Roberto on Oct 7, 2018 13:50:41 GMT
Partly, yeah. I talked about how they are controlled, currently, but not what caused them to become so insecure in the first place that they leave themselves so open to be for Hollywood to exploit them. I guess I did not word it correctly. People are just scared and everyone is weak in certain ways. I believe that the people who are part of the Hollywood system are brainwashed in a way too. Brainwashed by power and believing money and power gives their lives more meaning. Oh absolutely. Huey Boll actually made some excellent points on this topic in his rant he did a few years back. He may be an dick who makes dumb movies but he's pretty much 100% spot on in it. If only that video was made by someone with a better reputation, perhaps then people would have been more likely to listen to them and accept the truth, rather than instantly disregarding it just because it's Boll. But no, they'd rather just hate and continue living on in ignorance. Exactly. Well said. I hear you man. It's definitely scary, and it seems an impossible task. But we need to at least try. To spread awareness and share our knowledge. If we can at least get a few people to see the truth maybe it will have been worth it. |
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Post by Roberto on Oct 7, 2018 13:55:38 GMT
I watch superhero movies for the escapism and especially for the MCU films, see how the films build and interconnect with the previous films and then lead into the next chapter. It's not hard to interconnect movies when you're making 3-4 movies per year and paying the cast crazy money to stick around. Sure the movies are all connected, but if they're all mediocre garbage then who gives a crap? Why, because they wanted to try something different instead of playing it safe and sticking to the same formula like MCU? |
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Post by Roberto on Oct 7, 2018 14:00:20 GMT
You're asking the wrong question. The better question would be "Why do people keep going to see generic mass produced superhero movies?". I'm just going to go and assume that's what you meant. Because if Nolan or Raimi came back to make a 4th TDK or Spider-Man installment, then there would be absolutely nothing wrong with going to see said superhero movies. As for why people keep going to see generic mass produced superhero movies like the MCU? Well it's actually quite complicated. But basically it's because they have been brainwashed and conditioned to constantly feel the need to return to the cinemas to see the newest one. It's due to a combination of things like false hype, nostalgia and sheepism. Basically Hollywood uses social media to control the masses. Why do you think the IMDb boards were removed? Very possibly due to there being too much negative discussion on big Hollywood movies like these ones Disney make causing them to lose revenue. So now the discussion has moved to places like reddit and I assume facebook, which is far more easily controlled by Hollywood due to the massive amount of shills on there controlling the discussion. So then all the gullible people who are so bored with their pathetic rat race lives who need anything to distract them from how much their lives suck go online and see the constant false-praise and are tricked into heading to the cinemas. The movie is average, but they'll praise it too, because that's what "everyone" else is doing and they want to feel like they are part of something. Then they instantly dismiss any negative criticism by non-brainwashed moviegoers because they want to stay in denial. And since the brainwashed group has become so big, they seem to far outnumber the non-brainwashed people, thus making them less likely to speak out about these movies because they will just be silenced by the brainwashed idiots determined to defend their shitty movies. I partly agree with much of this. This applies to many more things in life than just movies too. Absolutely. The pop music industry is another big one. People listening to the same shitty Justin Beaver songs over and over and over again because the powers that be are paying the pop radio stations massive amounts of money to give these terrible songs constant airplay. I understand your pain.  It's a struggle daily but you have got to try and persevere. Better to struggle and be a free thinking person than just give up and live the rest of your life as a slave. Stay strong brah. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2018 14:31:38 GMT
Absolutely. The pop music industry is another big one. People listening to the same shitty Justin Beaver songs over and over and over again because the powers that be are paying the pop radio stations massive amounts of money to play these terrible songs.And listening to Katy Perry or any of the garbage you have the nerve to call music is any better??? |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2018 14:32:18 GMT
Because society nowadays is dumb.
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Post by Roberto on Oct 7, 2018 14:40:33 GMT
Absolutely. The pop music industry is another big one. People listening to the same shitty Justin Beaver songs over and over and over again because the powers that be are paying the pop radio stations massive amounts of money to play these terrible songs.And listening to Katy Perry or any of the garbage you have the nerve to call music is any better??? Oh I see I've struck a nerve. So you're a Beaver fan. No wonder you couldn't appreciate that wonderful music I shared over on General Discussion. I haven't listened to Katy in a while. Last album of hers that I heard was Prism, so I am not familiar with her new music at all other than that song she featured on with Pharrell about fishing. So I don't know if she's still a decent musician, but the Katy Perry I'm familiar with (One of the Boys - Prism) is a million times better than your Beaver shit. |
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Post by Roberto on Oct 7, 2018 14:41:48 GMT
Because society nowadays is dumb. Well at least your eyes and brain are working. That is good to know. Still make sure to see an audiologist though. |
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Post by ck100 on Oct 7, 2018 15:07:58 GMT
A problem with a lot of these films is they feel like product made by profiteers instead films by filmmakers. The studio creates some sort of need to see these product films and people go see them. There are exceptions to the rule I'm sure, but still.
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Post by FridayOnElmStreet on Oct 7, 2018 16:50:34 GMT
They are fun. Granted not all of them.
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Post by moviemouth on Oct 7, 2018 19:52:30 GMT
I partly agree with much of this. This applies to many more things in life than just movies too. Absolutely. The pop music industry is another big one. People listening to the same shitty Justin Beaver songs over and over and over again because the powers that be are paying the pop radio stations massive amounts of money to give these terrible songs constant airplay. I understand your pain. It's a struggle daily but you have got to try and persevere. Better to struggle and be a free thinking person than just give up and live the rest of your life as a slave. Stay strong brah. I do the best I can. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2018 20:07:19 GMT
Hey morons, wanna see some dude beat the crap out of some minions without getting a scratch, and then KINDA beat the villain, but not really, because we gots to have the sequels and keep you idiots coming back for more? Thanks for the money, morons!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2018 20:21:19 GMT
Because they're interested in superheroes. No. Maybe initially that was the case. It's much more complicated than that. See my post above. Also have you made a steak yet using my method? I looked. Originally my post said "Because they're interested in superheroes. That or there's a mass conspiracy and I'm just smarter than everyone else for not having the exact same taste in movies". I deleted the second part because I thought I was being too condescending. Go figure. I will the next time I buy some steaks. |
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Post by lowtacks86 on Oct 7, 2018 20:32:54 GMT
Short answer? They have a lot of universal appeal. Don't forget, english speakers aren't the only ones watching Hollywood blockbusters, China is becoming an increasing market and CGI filled action films (particularly with recognizable figures like Batman and Spider-man) are what they're mostly gonna watch from the US (I'd imagine they have their own drama and comedy films they go to)
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Post by Archelaus on Oct 8, 2018 1:13:35 GMT
I watch superhero movies for the escapism and especially for the MCU films, see how the films build and interconnect with the previous films and then lead into the next chapter. It's not hard to interconnect movies when you're making 3-4 movies per year and paying the cast crazy money to stick around. Sure the movies are all connected, but if they're all mediocre garbage then who gives a crap? I give a crap because the filmmakers are trying to go somewhere and progress the storyline and characters rather than rinse-and-repeat or copy their most recent success. Trust me, the interconnection angle of the MCU is not as easy as it looks. Sure, it's easy to reference a past movie or bring back a character, but it requires serious pre-planning and attention to detail and continuity because it all involves several writers with their own taste and view of the characters. It's not perfect since they have gone and back about whether Thor is a god or not. I did refuse to see superhero films like Batman v Superman and Fantastic Four (2015) because the trailers were horrible and didn't like the approach the filmmakers were going. Why, because they wanted to try something different instead of playing it safe and sticking to the same formula like MCU? I knew from the trailers and reading the production notes that Batman v Superman was going to cram so much stuff by telling its story and set-up Justice League. Plus, it looked like Zack Synder learned nothing from the backlash of Man of Steel that the true nature of Superman is not meant to be dark and brooding. That stuff works with Batman. As for Fantastic Four, you don't have to be a scientist to see that movie was going to be a mess. |
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