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Post by Deleted on Oct 10, 2018 1:41:44 GMT
Pros: Perkin's performance The shower scene The house (exterior) The overhead shot of Arbogast being stabbed The way Arbogast traps Bates with his questioning How Hitchcock puts us in the car with Marion, and makes us feel as guilty and scared of being caught as she does The swinging light in the reveal scene The zoom shot ALMOST straight through the hotel window The score (contrasted with the stuffed birds). "We all go a little mad sometimes." "I think that we're all in our private traps, clamped in them, and none of us can ever get out. We scratch and we claw, but only at the air, only at each other, and for all of it, we never budge an inch." Cons: Film drags a bit towards the end, after the shower scene |
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Post by James on Oct 10, 2018 1:47:00 GMT
Pros:
-Pretty much everything really
Cons:
-Only minor but for being an old film, it might not grab new viewers the same way back when it was released
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Post by ck100 on Oct 10, 2018 1:50:45 GMT
I think I'm someone who doesn't mind the psychiatrist explanation.
My only complaint is we don't need to see Norman cleaning up every little detail after the shower scene.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 10, 2018 2:36:50 GMT
Pros? Pretty much everything .
no cons for me .
flat out masterpiece . 10/10
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Post by them1ghtyhumph on Oct 10, 2018 2:49:03 GMT
Pros - At the time of it's release, no cons
Cons - Psycho II is better
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Post by mslo79 on Oct 10, 2018 2:50:08 GMT
It's a average movie in my mind as it's no where near as good as it's made out to be. hence, very overrated.
hell, come to think of it... I am willing to bet Hitchcock's movies are overrated in general.
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Post by Primemovermithrax Pejorative on Oct 10, 2018 2:51:22 GMT
I saw this with a classroom of film students and some idiots laughed when Norman comes in with the wig and dress and his weird gestures as the wig is removed.
Man I hate people laughing at old movies like that.
I read a testimonial of kids who saw it when it was first released. The flushing of a toilet made the kids laugh apparently.
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Post by dirtypillows on Oct 10, 2018 4:45:59 GMT
Pros: effective, spooky atmosphere, Anthony Perkins' performance, Janet Leigh's performance, the music, the cinematography, some great bits of humor, the twisted story of Mother-Son love gone bad, Norman Bates is genuinely likeable, Martin Balsam is appealing and attractive, Marion Crane's guilt makes for a pretty complex and sympathetic character, that house is so cool, the conversation between Norman and Marion in the parlor - that was very creepy and you felt like something else was going on under the surface, it's where Janet Leigh's performance really peaks, she didn't know what it was, but you could tell she knew that things were not quite right. The look on her face right after Norman loses his demeanor is chilling.
Cons: John Gavin's performance, making Lila Crane unnecessarily abrasive
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Post by BATouttaheck on Oct 10, 2018 5:24:59 GMT
It's a average movie in my mind as it's no where near as good as it's made out to be. hence, very overrated. So, let's see if I understand your logic on this What's wrong with it (for you) is that other people liked it too much ? k then ! |
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Post by mslo79 on Oct 10, 2018 10:06:53 GMT
BATouttaheckMovies are not really about 'logic'. they either connect with the viewer (i.e. Thumbs Up) or they don't (i.e. Thumbs Down) in a basic sense. this movie does not. like I always say, a movie has to interest/entertain me etc on some level which boils down to some sort of emotional response a movie gives me. in this regard Psycho (1960) is pretty middle-of-the-road/average. so because it's praised by many, it makes it overrated for me. so my logic is pretty simple when you know this info about how I feel about it. with that said... people can like the movie as much as they want to but, in my mind, it's praise far exceeds my enjoyment of the movie. hence, I feel it's overrated.
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Post by Captain Spencer on Oct 10, 2018 16:44:40 GMT
Pros:
The amazing and iconic shower scene; a brilliant set piece.
Bernard Herrmann's memorable and highly influential music score.
The final shot of Norman; very creepy!
The usual cool camerawork you would expect from a Hitchcock movie.
Cons:
Not really much in the way of cons. Perhaps a bit too talky?
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Post by twothousandonemark on Oct 10, 2018 21:12:45 GMT
Pro
- Less is soo much more.
Con
- The final scene is rather too expositional. It's such a far cry from the opening act being a minimalist bait & switch. Now we have an authority figure literally telling us every thing & reasons why.
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Post by WarrenPeace on Oct 10, 2018 21:28:05 GMT
I think I'm someone who doesn't mind the psychiatrist explanation. My only complaint is we don't need to see Norman cleaning up every little detail after the shower scene. And yet he somehow missed that piece of paper in or near the toilet. |
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Post by WarrenPeace on Oct 10, 2018 21:29:38 GMT
Pros? Pretty much everything . no cons for me . flat out masterpiece . 10/10 I agree. I recently re-watched it again after not seeing it for a loooong time and loved it. |
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Post by taylorfirst1 on Oct 10, 2018 23:37:01 GMT
All Pros
No Cons
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Post by kolchak92 on Oct 10, 2018 23:47:36 GMT
Con - The final scene is rather too expositional. It's such a far cry from the opening act being a minimalist bait & switch. Now we have an authority figure literally telling us every thing & reasons why. I disagree on two counts. Firstly, no one really knew what multiple personality disorder was back then, so it was important not to leave the audience hanging in that regard. Secondly I feel that the scene actually does serve as a bait and switch of sorts. You have Simon Oakland's character somewhat smugly and self-righteously describing what had happened, and then you have the final scene with Norman in his cell. The final inner-monologue you hear with Norman's mother suggests to me that the shrink was in fact wrong, at least wrong in the sense that he hadn't truly grasped the demented nature of Norman's psyche as well as he had thought. I know a lot of people disagree with me, but I feel it's an important and necessary scene. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 10, 2018 23:58:56 GMT
Cons:
-the shot of Arbigast falling down the stairs was always goofy
-I'm undecided on the psychiatrist scene. Never had a problem with it until other people pointed it out
Pros:
-everything else
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Post by BATouttaheck on Oct 11, 2018 0:28:28 GMT
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Post by twothousandonemark on Oct 11, 2018 1:55:11 GMT
Con - The final scene is rather too expositional. It's such a far cry from the opening act being a minimalist bait & switch. Now we have an authority figure literally telling us every thing & reasons why. I disagree on two counts. Firstly, no one really knew what multiple personality disorder was back then, so it was important not to leave the audience hanging in that regard. Secondly I feel that the scene actually does serve as a bait and switch of sorts. You have Simon Oakland's character somewhat smugly and self-righteously describing what had happened, and then you have the final scene with Norman in his cell. The final inner-monologue you hear with Norman's mother suggests to me that the shrink was in fact wrong, at least wrong in the sense that he hadn't truly grasped the demented nature of Norman's psyche as well as he had thought. I know a lot of people disagree with me, but I feel it's an important and necessary scene. I think many viewings has probably made it stand out more for me. I think he did get it correct that Norman doesn't exist any longer, it's his own realization of mother that has taken hold, unscored by Bates' closing lines. |
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