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Post by Schwarzwald Magnus on Oct 13, 2018 3:56:19 GMT
Today is my 29th birthday. Happy birthday. Don't fret like you always do about age. The peak is 33. That's when both Alexander the Great and Jesus died, after they had accomplished everything. You have 4 more years and then you can coast down from there. lol You said I was old when I turned 25.
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Post by movieliker on Oct 13, 2018 4:10:08 GMT
Why would I start my own business then? What's in it for me? The beauty of the idea. You don't understand that you can still reap the benefits, and if it's successful you will make money. But you can't own the earth's resources and that includes labor. You can take possession of material items, but that doesn't mean you own them. This is common sense. When you die you lose it all anyway. Sounds good in theory. But I don't believe it will work in reality. People want power and freedom. Nobody with money and a good idea is gonna want to have his workers tell him/her what to do. And they are not gonna start a business to make others rich. They don't mind if people make money along with them. But the movers and shakers are competitive. They measure success by how they stack up to others.
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Post by movieliker on Oct 13, 2018 4:46:25 GMT
Sounds good in theory. But I don't believe it will work in reality. People want power and freedom. Nobody with money and a good idea is gonna want to have his workers tell him/her what to do. And they are not gonna start a business to make others rich. They don't mind if people make money along with them. But the movers and shakers are competitive. They measure success by how they stack up to others. A smart manager takes input from others. The guy who starts the business is the natural leader and organizer. He'll be fine. If he's really a loner I suppose he can start a one man business. But once he needs the labor of others he must cooperate. I have my own business. I work by myself. When I need help, I hire help. If they don't do what I want, they're fired. And nobody makes more than me. I make the rules.
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Post by movieliker on Oct 13, 2018 17:54:54 GMT
I have my own business. I work by myself. When I need help, I hire help. If they don't do what I want, they're fired. And nobody makes more than me. I make the rules. If you had to hire unionized labor you wouldn't be so free to do you as choose with labor either. What we anarcho-syndicalists want is not so strange and much of the economy is organized very similarly. If you needed union labor you couldn't fire them either. Exactly. That is why this anarcho-syndicalism doesn't sound good to me. There is no freedom. And that is what people want. Seems like you are striving for security. Worker security. And no entrepenuer is going to want to give up their freedom and power. Risk is the opposite of security. Risk is exciting. Risk is what makes people take chances. Risk is what entrepreneurs live for.
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Post by them1ghtyhumph on Oct 13, 2018 19:18:02 GMT
Is it right or wrong?
Tribalism is why countries go to war.
Things like morality are seldom logical but emotional. It might make sense to try and find a cure for malaria but if someone loses a loved one to a rare disease, that's what they're going to advocate a cure for. Autism might seem like a disorder but if you have a child with autism, that's going to decide it.
If a country goes to war and is the aggressor, and you're a citizen of that country, you fight for your country.
If there's a social issue going on, you're supposed to go with your own. If there's something going on that's seen as sexist against women, any woman who isn't in favor of women is a traitor. A Jew is not on board with Israel is a wicked son. A Palestinian who is not for Palestine is also a traitor. But which is wrong or right?
You go with your blood. That's human nature. But it's not logical. But humanity is not logical. Humanity is emotional.
This is the issue I'm dealing with right now.
When you listen to fools............. The Mob Rules
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Post by movieliker on Oct 13, 2018 19:59:46 GMT
Exactly. That is why this anarcho-syndicalism doesn't sound good to me. There is no freedom. And that is what people want. Seems like you are striving for security. Worker security. And no entrepenuer is going to want to give up their freedom and power. Risk is the opposite of security. Risk is exciting. Risk is what makes people take chances. Risk is what entrepreneurs live for. Yeah, but you're believing that the end all and the be all of our current system is small business and individual entrepreneurship. That's a myth. We live in a world of giant corporations controlled by a tiny handful. There isn't much free market economy except for a tiny few. And big government protects monopolies so that works against you as well. When you own a small business you can't do all the work yourself. You require workers and anarcho-syndicalism gives them pride of ownership which increases their productivity. And ambitious men like yourself rise to management and leadership. Your expertise still gives you freedom and power. The point is that every worker owns his own labor. To entrust your labor to another so he reaps more benefits from them than you is a form of slavery. And you don't own the materials you work with. That's like saying you own the air and the water. Every worker benefits from material products made. I really see no downside. Corporations are like mini-governments. Businesses are passed down from strong creative founders to their weak and incompetent children. I've seen that on every job I've ever had. The current system is ineffective and wasteful. Maybe there is room for it on a small scale. But I don't see people like Bill Gates or Rupert Murdoch giving up power or control.
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Post by ant-mac on Oct 13, 2018 22:36:30 GMT
Humans might be one of many species on Earth, but Humans are one species on their own and in their own right.
I was making the point that despite all the differences and disputes that constantly occur between the various countries, cultures and races, at the ed of the day, we are one species.
Our similarities are greater than our differences and we use them to work together for the common good.
In terms of humans yes, we are only one species of human beings on earth, but with many variables. Yes.
And?
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Post by ant-mac on Oct 14, 2018 0:33:58 GMT
And the point of your post is...?
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Post by ant-mac on Oct 14, 2018 1:04:31 GMT
And the point of your post is...? I was agreeing with you. Didn't care to add anything else. Perhaps I should have just liked you post. Ah...
Thanks for the clarification.
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