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Post by Deleted on Oct 10, 2018 23:44:25 GMT
I'm hoping they put them on ice for a while. Maybe bring them out in phase five. I do however, want a Fantastic Four movie in the MCU ASAP! Same here and, we'll get one that sees them as explorers and problem solvers rather than traumatized hipsters or dull paper cut outs. They really need to swing for the fences on the F4 movie. I mean, I want a real classic. The right director is key.
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Post by President Ackbar™ on Oct 10, 2018 23:45:28 GMT
Never ever trust a grown man in a skin tight JP tee.
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Post by Nalkarj on Oct 10, 2018 23:56:54 GMT
Same here and, we'll get one that sees them as explorers and problem solvers rather than traumatized hipsters or dull paper cut outs. They really need to swing for the fences on the F4 movie. I mean, I want a real classic. The right director is key. Posting this for the billionth time ( ), but I really think they should go with this plan: It’s the movie I’d want, at least…
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2018 0:00:46 GMT
They really need to swing for the fences on the F4 movie. I mean, I want a real classic. The right director is key. Posting this for the billionth time ( ), but I really think they should go with this plan: It’s the movie I’d want, at least… I LOVE the idea of FF movie in the 60s! It seems to be a really popular wish amongst fans too, because I've seen videos about it on YouTube. The whole asthetic of that decade is so perfect for these characters! Sadly, I don't think it will happen, because it would mean that they couldn't share screen time with the current heroes...
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Post by Nalkarj on Oct 11, 2018 0:05:35 GMT
Posting this for the billionth time ( ), but I really think they should go with this plan: It’s the movie I’d want, at least… I LOVE the idea of FF movie in the 60s! It seems to be a really popular wish amongst fans too, because I've seen videos about it on YouTube. The whole asthetic of that decade is so perfect for these characters! Sadly, I don't think it will happen, because it would mean that they couldn't share screen time with the current heroes… Reed invents a time portal? Though I doubt it'd be popular, I'd be perfectly fine with their not interacting with any other heroes. I didn’t know it was popular among fans… Tells ya how closely I follow videos on YouTube, huh? One of the things I loved about Captain America was that it was not only set in the ‘40s but had a real ‘40s charm and atmosphere—there’s a stroke of mad genius in an Andrews Sisters/ Buck Privates scene, a Menken song, and an original Richard M. Sherman song in the movie. I’d love if they could reproduce that for the ‘60s and FF… It’s probably too wishful to imagine Sue as an Emma Peel type and Reed as a Whit Bissell type, as no one nowadays probably knows who they are.
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Post by lenlenlen1 on Oct 11, 2018 2:52:46 GMT
Who are you? Who am I? It's the message that's important here, not the messenger.
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Post by lenlenlen1 on Oct 11, 2018 2:53:58 GMT
If they make good movies they can do it! Venom is not the best they can do and already they have the beginnings of something. With an 80 mill domestic/ 200 mill world opening weekend I think its fair to say they aint doing too shabby already. Its possible. I'd already like to see a Venom sequel. IF they can make good movies. I think they will go the way of the DCEU. Shaky foundations, patchy quality, and eventually the audience will lose faith and not turn out, as with Justice League. PG-13 Morbius, Kraven and Venom films does not fill me with confidence (and Venom was terrible in many other ways). Could go that way too. You never know.
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Oct 11, 2018 4:42:27 GMT
I would say you're right... But Sony isn't helping the situation either. In agreement we are, Skull Man. I have no love for Sony. Everything they've done since TASM has been misguided and subpar. I won't be seeing Venom or any of their Spiderverse movies. But I also don't have much love for the Homecoming series, though I do like Holland in the role. For me, on screen Spidey died with Spiderman 3.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2018 4:45:06 GMT
I just clicked on the video in the OP... I HATE this guy! I've seen his Marvel videos on YouTube before and they're always click bait garbage where he gushes about the MCU and pretends to know "inside" info that's just really speculative BS.
I honestly think this guy might be Archie Shanford or FormerSamhdmdmdmd
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2018 4:46:41 GMT
Never ever trust a grown man in a skin tight JP tee. But... I have a tee just like that!
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Post by Lord Death Man on Oct 11, 2018 5:01:46 GMT
I just clicked on the video in the OP... I HATE this guy! I've seen his Marvel videos on YouTube before and they're always click bait garbage where he gushes about the MCU and pretends to know "inside" info that's just really speculative BS. I honestly think this guy might be Archie Shanford or FormerSamhdmdmdmd I agree but, he's right. Venom's success spells doom for Spider-Man in the MCU. We just got the prince of the city back, we can't lose him now.
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Post by President Ackbar™ on Oct 11, 2018 5:53:27 GMT
Never ever trust a grown man in a skin tight JP tee. But... I have a tee just like that! Yeah, but you're funny, And cool. He is a Rood Crood YooToob Dooche Bag Dood.
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Post by lenlenlen1 on Oct 11, 2018 14:26:37 GMT
Venom's success spells doom for Spider-Man in the MCU. What? How? Homecoming did far better than Venom did. No one likes Venom MORE than Spider-Man: Homecoming. And now that Spider-Man is in the MCU proper they have every chance to enhance and improve as they go along. Venom would have had to be a monster hit (no pun) to be a threat. Not to mention, the two things can exist at the same time. Audiences have shown that they're willing to go see all kinds of stuff. Bring it down a notch.
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Post by Lord Death Man on Oct 11, 2018 16:56:24 GMT
Venom's success spells doom for Spider-Man in the MCU. What? How? Homecoming did far better than Venom did. No one likes Venom MORE than Spider-Man: Homecoming. And now that Spider-Man is in the MCU proper they have every chance to enhance and improve as they go along. Venom would have had to be a monster hit (no pun) to be a threat. Not to mention, the two things can exist at the same time. Audiences have shown that they're willing to go see all kinds of stuff. Bring it down a notch. The arithmetic is simple; Spider-Man plus Venom now equals billions of dollars. Spider-Man is only in the MCU by the good graces of Sony Pictures. They can pull the prince any time they want to and now, with the success of Venom, they are highly incentivized to do so. You come from a fandom that is, has been and, always will be --- fully unified with one entity managing the IP. There is no counterfeit, discount DCEU you can get from China (no disrespect to my Chinese friends) where the characters are the same as the real thing except for a missing logo on their chest plate. We want what you take for granted every single day and - by the fandom gods - we will have it. If Sony renages on or changes the parameters of the current Spider-Man deal by a single milimeter, it will be the start of a new fandom cold war.
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Post by lenlenlen1 on Oct 11, 2018 18:39:32 GMT
What? How? Homecoming did far better than Venom did. No one likes Venom MORE than Spider-Man: Homecoming. And now that Spider-Man is in the MCU proper they have every chance to enhance and improve as they go along. Venom would have had to be a monster hit (no pun) to be a threat. Not to mention, the two things can exist at the same time. Audiences have shown that they're willing to go see all kinds of stuff. Bring it down a notch. The arithmetic is simple; Spider-Man plus Venom now equals billions of dollars. Spider-Man is only in the MCU by the good graces of Sony Pictures. They can pull the prince any time they want to and now, with the success of Venom, they are highly incentivized to do so. You come from a fandom that is, has been and, always will be --- fully unified with one entity managing the IP. There is no counterfeit, discount DCEU you can get from China (no disrespect to my Chinese friends) where the characters are the same as the real thing except for a missing logo on their chest plate. We want what you take for granted every single day and - by the fandom gods - we will have it. If Sony renages on or changes the parameters of the current Spider-Man deal by a single milimeter, it will be the start of a new fandom cold war. But now you're saying that SONY will change the parameters of their arrangement, in part because of the success of Venom.
Firstly, they have a contract. They cant simply break that contract without a legal battle, and frankly I don't think SONY wants to take on Disney. Secondly, the deal is lucrative to them. If anything Disney is the one that is somewhat hurt by the arrangement. They have to make the movie and then share rights and profits with SONY. And not for nothing, while Homecoming was successful it's not like it was a monster success! It did ok, but it didn't make Black Panther money or anything. For what SONY is contributing I don't think they'll be looking to get out of the deal any time soon.
If, IF for some god forsaken reason they were to take back Spider-Man, they would have to reboot a fourth time! They wouldn't have access to what's been created under the Homecoming/MCU version of Spider-Man. They couldn't just pull Tom Holland over to SONY. The current version of Spider-Man is contractually linked to MCU.
A FOURTH reboot!?! Aaargh! Talk about franchise fatigue. That would kill Spider-Man in movies for at least a decade. Forget about it. Better to leave it alone. I think SONY knows that.
The best bet for everyone at this point in time is this: Spider-Man: Far from Home does well. Venom 2 does well. Disney and SONY do a crossover movie between them; fangasm is created = smash hit! Everybody makes money!
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Post by Lord Death Man on Oct 11, 2018 18:55:46 GMT
The arithmetic is simple; Spider-Man plus Venom now equals billions of dollars. Spider-Man is only in the MCU by the good graces of Sony Pictures. They can pull the prince any time they want to and now, with the success of Venom, they are highly incentivized to do so. You come from a fandom that is, has been and, always will be --- fully unified with one entity managing the IP. There is no counterfeit, discount DCEU you can get from China (no disrespect to my Chinese friends) where the characters are the same as the real thing except for a missing logo on their chest plate. We want what you take for granted every single day and - by the fandom gods - we will have it. If Sony renages on or changes the parameters of the current Spider-Man deal by a single milimeter, it will be the start of a new fandom cold war. But now you're saying that SONY will change the parameters of their arrangement, in part because of the success of Venom.
Firstly, they have a contract. They cant simply break that contract without a legal battle, and frankly I don't think SONY wants to take on Disney. Secondly, the deal is lucrative to them. If anything Disney is the one that is somewhat hurt by the arrangement. They have to make the movie and then share rights and profits with SONY. And not for nothing, while Homecoming was successful it's not like it was a monster success! It did ok, but it didn't make Black Panther money or anything. For what SONY is contributing I don't think they'll be looking to get out of the deal any time soon.
If, IF for some god forsaken reason they were to take back Spider-Man, they would have to reboot a fourth time! They wouldn't have access to what's been created under the Homecoming/MCU version of Spider-Man. They couldn't just pull Tom Holland over to SONY. The current version of Spider-Man is contractually linked to MCU.
A FOURTH reboot!?! Aaargh! Talk about franchise fatigue. That would kill Spider-Man in movies for at least a decade. Forget about it. Better to leave it alone. I think SONY knows that.
The best bet for everyone at this point in time is this: Spider-Man: Far from Home does well. Venom 2 does well. Disney and SONY do a crossover movie between them; fangasm is created = smash hit! Everybody makes money!
Holland was signed for six films. Three Spider-Man solo films and three appearances in the Marvel Cinematic Universe. He's done one solo film and completed another. He's also appeared in two MCU films and will likely appear in A4 (although that's not certain). The Solo films do not have to take place in the MCU but, as you say, it's currently to Sony's advantage for things to remain as they are. Keyword - currently. Venom is changing that narritive. Holland has one more Solo film to do for Sony after Far From Home and he's already burned through two of his MCU appearances with a possible third on the way. This isn't about breaking the current contract. This is about the RE-UP on the next contract. With the success of Venom, is Sony incentivized to keep Holland in the MCU or, would it be better to cast him in future SSU films? The point is that Sony is holding all of the cards and they do not have to deal with Disney AT ALL on Holland's RE-UP.
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