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Post by NormanClature on Oct 13, 2018 10:42:13 GMT
Surely it is better to fire "pedos" than to hire them?  |
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Oct 13, 2018 13:06:47 GMT
The correct question would be: Is Disney more socially responsible than WB? The answer in this context is : Yes.
Gunn gave Disney clear grounds for termination by breaching trust and policies, eg by tweeting pedophilic content before and during his tenure thereby damaging the group. Gunn did not do that with WB (yet).
However, I still think it's a unethical and strategically wrong business decision to employ such a controversial figure (and hack) so soon after his pedogate scandal. We do not know what is still coming from Gunn's side: What amount of pedophilia, misogyny and depravity have WB imported by hiring this man?
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Post by hobowar on Oct 13, 2018 13:13:46 GMT
Has anyone came out and accused Gunn of anything yet?
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Oct 13, 2018 13:16:29 GMT
Has anyone came out and accused Gunn of anything yet? Yeah, Disney. They accused him of being a sick fuck unfit to work for Disney, a "family company" and brand. And they backed it up with all of his previous sick, disgusting tweets. And so he was rightfully fired even though it means Guardians 3 will suck. |
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Post by hobowar on Oct 13, 2018 14:32:27 GMT
Has anyone came out and accused Gunn of anything yet? Yeah, Disney. They accused him of being a sick fuck unfit to work for Disney, a "family company" and brand. And they backed it up with all of his previous sick, disgusting tweets. And so he was rightfully fired even though it means Guardians 3 will suck. So no is the answer. Just checking. |
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Oct 13, 2018 14:39:58 GMT
Yeah, Disney. They accused him of being a sick fuck unfit to work for Disney, a "family company" and brand. And they backed it up with all of his previous sick, disgusting tweets. And so he was rightfully fired even though it means Guardians 3 will suck. So no is the answer. Just checking. The answer is yes. YOUR bizarrely immoral personal line regarding sexual abuse of kids might go right up to the criminal act, but the rest of us decent people don't really think publicly joking about it on social media platforms is okay either. And that's why he was dismissed. Not really hard to understand if you're not a pedophile, a moron, or a mindless McMarvel zombie; you likely hit at least two of these three, so... |
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Post by hobowar on Oct 13, 2018 14:48:47 GMT
So no is the answer. Just checking. The answer is yes. YOUR bizarrely immoral personal line regarding sexual abuse of kids might go right up to the criminal act, but the rest of us decent people don't really think publicly joking about it on social media platforms is okay either. And that's why he was dismissed. Not really hard to understand if you're not a pedophile, a moron, or a mindless McMarvel zombie; you likely hit at least two of these three, so... Normal people don't care about jokes on twitter which is why Disney hired him having already seen those tweets and also why WB is still so happy to work with him. It was only because of fake outrage from dickheads like you why Disney felt they needed to dismiss him. |
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Oct 13, 2018 14:51:43 GMT
The answer is yes. YOUR bizarrely immoral personal line regarding sexual abuse of kids might go right up to the criminal act, but the rest of us decent people don't really think publicly joking about it on social media platforms is okay either. And that's why he was dismissed. Not really hard to understand if you're not a pedophile, a moron, or a mindless McMarvel zombie; you likely hit at least two of these three, so... Normal people don't care about jokes on twitter which is why Disney hired him having already seen those tweets and also why WB is still so happy to work with him. It was only because of fake outrage from dickheads like you why Disney felt they needed to dismiss him. So, it's all three? Got it. |
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Oct 13, 2018 15:13:53 GMT
The answer is yes. YOUR bizarrely immoral personal line regarding sexual abuse of kids might go right up to the criminal act, but the rest of us decent people don't really think publicly joking about it on social media platforms is okay either. And that's why he was dismissed. Not really hard to understand if you're not a pedophile, a moron, or a mindless McMarvel zombie; you likely hit at least two of these three, so... Normal people don't care about jokes on twitter Don't ever assume you know about or speak for normal people, Hobe. Normal people care a lot about sexual abuse of children even when they are disguised in joke form, and do not want their children exposes to pedos. People like you who do not care for rape & pedo comments but only about sniffing their piece of turd are not normal, you are sick and depraved, the scum of society. WRONG and you lie. Disney when hiring Gunn made him remove and apologize for his HOMPAGE depravity (homophobia and misogyny content) but they had no idea about the pedo stuff and videos/photos. Or else they would have made him delete and apologize for them too. non sequitur lol, so let me get this straight: "Normal people do not care" about child abuse, but only some online phonies do, and Disney is so afraid of them phonies that they fire their money maker boy because of...why again? These phonies must have some awesome super powers to scare the Mouse out of their profits. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2018 17:40:24 GMT
The answer is yes. YOUR bizarrely immoral personal line regarding sexual abuse of kids might go right up to the criminal act, but the rest of us decent people don't really think publicly joking about it on social media platforms is okay either. And that's why he was dismissed. Not really hard to understand if you're not a pedophile, a moron, or a mindless McMarvel zombie; you likely hit at least two of these three, so... Normal people don't care about jokes on twitter which is why Disney hired him having already seen those tweets and also why WB is still so happy to work with him. It was only because of fake outrage from dickheads like you why Disney felt they needed to dismiss him. I agree. Although I will say I thought Disney's idea was to placate families, parents, the 'won't someone think of the children?' crowd. I didn't think it was aimed at twenty/thirty something fans.
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Post by President Ackbar™ on Oct 13, 2018 17:43:44 GMT
Normal people don't care about jokes on twitter which is why Disney hired him having already seen those tweets and also why WB is still so happy to work with him. It was only because of fake outrage from dickheads like you why Disney felt they needed to dismiss him. I agree. Although I will say I thought Disney's idea was to placate families, parents, the 'won't someone think of the children?' crowd. I didn't think it was aimed at twenty/thirty something fans.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2018 17:50:31 GMT
I agree. Although I will say I thought Disney's idea was to placate families, parents, the 'won't someone think of the children?' crowd. I didn't think it was aimed at twenty/thirty something fans.
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Oct 13, 2018 17:52:24 GMT
I agree. Although I will say I thought Disney's idea was to placate families, parents, the 'won't someone think of the children?' crowd. I didn't think it was aimed at twenty/thirty something fans.
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Oct 13, 2018 17:52:40 GMT
Socks agreeing with socks means nothing. Neither does that comment. Nah, it does. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2018 18:12:35 GMT
Neither does that comment. Nah, it does. After our exchange before, I never would have taken you for someone who gets the vapors over James Gunn's jokes. I mean, do you think Disney was right to fire him because of the circumstantial evidence or do you really believe full on that the man is a pedophile?
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Oct 13, 2018 18:25:39 GMT
After our exchange before, I never would have taken you for someone who gets the vapors over James Gunn's jokes. I mean, do you think Disney was right to fire him because of the circumstantial evidence or do you really believe full on that the man is a pedophile?
"Right" is a point of view, Anakin. I can see why they weighed the sick shit he wrote as enough of a liability to offset the perceived gains from his involvement with Guardians 3. I've also consistently expressed my disappointment about the fact that this will ultimately net out with a lesser movie for fans of the Guardians series, and I'm one of 'em. (Same goes, incidentally, for Roseanne being let go. I was really enjoying the new episodes and prolly won't even bother checking out The Connors.) The Gunn story was gaining enough traction that it's not absurd to me that they canned him. This was, mind you, a business decision rather than a primarily creative one. It's not "circumstantial evidence" of anything because he's not on trial, nor was he ostensibly fired for actually being a pedophile. I don't know why this is so tough for people defending the dude; even if YOU didn't find what he wrote offensive in and of itself, you really and truly and for serious can't even fathom why THE WALT DISNEY COMPANY™ wouldn't want to be associated with him?! |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2018 18:54:13 GMT
After our exchange before, I never would have taken you for someone who gets the vapors over James Gunn's jokes. I mean, do you think Disney was right to fire him because of the circumstantial evidence or do you really believe full on that the man is a pedophile?
"Right" is a point of view, Anakin. I can see why they weighed the sick shit he wrote as enough of a liability to offset the perceived gains from his involvement with Guardians 3. I've also consistently expressed my disappointment about the fact that this will ultimately net out with a lesser movie for fans of the Guardians series, and I'm one of 'em. (Same goes, incidentally, for Roseanne being let go. I was really enjoying the new episodes and prolly won't even bother checking out The Connors.) The Gunn story was gaining enough traction that it's not absurd to me that they canned him. This was, mind you, a business decision rather than a primarily creative one. It's not "circumstantial evidence" of anything because he's not on trial, nor was he ostensibly fired for actually being a pedophile. I don't know why this is so tough for people defending the dude; even if YOU didn't find what he wrote offensive in and of itself, you really and truly and for serious can't even fathom why THE WALT DISNEY COMPANY™ wouldn't want to be associated with him?! It was a few months ago. I would have thought if there were any substance to these jokes that it would have caught more fire by now, but it's been nothing but petitions asking him to come back. Which he shouldn't, by the way. There's no walking back being fired, but it seems to me like the only people with whom it caught fire was Disney themselves.
I've seen you on the Politics board too, you seem to be on the less right-wing less Republican side of things (thumbs up from me, on a personal note) but the guy who went after Gunn is more the Alex Jones/Rush Limbaugh type if misinformation spreader. The question sometimes in my head is are you people all Republicans?
I like this board because I just assumed I'd find people with similar interests. If you like, or even has so much as an opinion on the MCU, my gamble is you also might like Star Wars, Star Trek, maybe Doctor Who, maybe Avatar and The Legend of Korra, DC and comics in general, a handful of Terminators, Aliens and Predators; people with higher thresholds for what's weird and unconventional.
Suffice to say, as I've said before, I understand Disney's decision to react more than I understand people like us, this board and the people on it buying it. It's a little easier to understand Walt Disney not wanting the association now because conversing here has shown me there are people who take it seriously, yourselves, and if Disney's decision keeps you on board then the decision will have been vindicated in some way.
I see his firing as the failure of cooler heads prevailing. A few powerful people have toppled because allegations like this lead to investigations and investigations lead to Kevin Spacey and Harvey Weinstein. Based on his jokes, I just can't in good conscience believe James Gunn is in league with those guys. I think if there were something remotely credible, DC wouldn't go near him. I sure wouldn't. If I thought there was even the slightest chance there was truth to it, my respect for the man would turn to dust like it was in Infinity War. Chalk it up to human intuition but I just don't feel that spark.
My surprise not withstanding, I was clearly wrong about it not being taken seriously outside of Disney headquarters. I found their lack of faith disturbing, but that doesn't mean we all can't get along.
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Oct 13, 2018 19:20:41 GMT
"Right" is a point of view, Anakin. I can see why they weighed the sick shit he wrote as enough of a liability to offset the perceived gains from his involvement with Guardians 3. I've also consistently expressed my disappointment about the fact that this will ultimately net out with a lesser movie for fans of the Guardians series, and I'm one of 'em. (Same goes, incidentally, for Roseanne being let go. I was really enjoying the new episodes and prolly won't even bother checking out The Connors.) The Gunn story was gaining enough traction that it's not absurd to me that they canned him. This was, mind you, a business decision rather than a primarily creative one. It's not "circumstantial evidence" of anything because he's not on trial, nor was he ostensibly fired for actually being a pedophile. I don't know why this is so tough for people defending the dude; even if YOU didn't find what he wrote offensive in and of itself, you really and truly and for serious can't even fathom why THE WALT DISNEY COMPANY™ wouldn't want to be associated with him?! It was a few months ago. I would have thought if there were any substance to these jokes that it would have caught more fire by now, but it's been nothing but petitions asking him to come back. STOP. This is the disconnect: the substance is the jokes. To the extent that anyone anywhere is pissed or offended, that's what they're pissed about or offended by. Evidently not. This is where I'm at: Except it wasn't "misinformation" in this case, because the tweets speak for themselves and were the reason for his dismissal. The answer is no. You think @forceghostackbar or Hauntedknight87 are Republicans just because they dare criticize the MCU or Disney Wars? I don't even think Tristan's Journal is American, so his political affiliation would be "none of the above." I just said a post or two ago that I'm less likely to enjoy the flick without Gunn. It wasn't. This is what's called a strawman argument. I never alleged there were "allegations like" anything. There's nothing to allege; as a matter of fact, he wrote offensive shit in bad taste that got him fired from the family entertainment company for whom he worked. ... |
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Oct 13, 2018 19:40:51 GMT
It was a few months ago. I would have thought if there were any substance to these jokes that it would have caught more fire by now, but it's been nothing but petitions asking him to come back. STOP. This is the disconnect: the substance is the jokes. To the extent that anyone anywhere is pissed or offended, that's what they're pissed about or offended by. Evidently not. This is where I'm at: Except it wasn't "misinformation" in this case, because the tweets speak for themselves and were the reason for his dismissal. The answer is no. You think @forceghostackbar or Hauntedknight87 are Republicans just because they dare criticize the MCU or Disney Wars? I don't even think Tristan's Journal is American, so his political affiliation would be "none of the above." I just said a post or two ago that I'm less likely to enjoy the flick without Gunn. It wasn't. This is what's called a strawman argument. I never alleged there were "allegations like" anything. There's nothing to allege; as a matter of fact, he wrote offensive shit in bad taste that got him fired from the family entertainment company for whom he worked. ... I have grown frustrated with people who are too obtuse to even understand the meaning of the word "pedophilia" and ignorantly deny facts. What could you possibly tell a person who lacks the morals, the character and the intelligence to realize that countless tweets on raping and abusing children (many of them even as jokes) and on misogynistic abuse are ENOUGH to qualify as pedophilic or misogynistic statements - and to get you fired, especially when in a public top executive position working for a family company… What I do when debating with people on other social forums I frequently link to this forum to make a point about these lowlifes, especially in the "James Gunn Fired" thread, to show the depravity directly and without filter. |
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Post by President Ackbar™ on Oct 13, 2018 19:53:00 GMT
James Gunn made a joke, many years ago, and the worthless SJW liberal snowflakes couldn't handle it as they often can't so they fired him. But Marvel's stupidity and knee jerk reacting is DC's gain. Gunn made two good movies that made serious cash and now he might give DC the boost it needs. By the by, if Disney is such a family company then I'm sure the higher ups and big wigs there won't mind having their skeletons dragged out of the closet. Surely they've never made off color jokes or done anything even remotely unscrupulous in their lives.  |
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