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Post by j2 on Mar 28, 2017 2:58:09 GMT
And you miss the point. I haven't refuted or said anything against the definition of 'atheism' or anything about trying to convince you (fools) of anything. All I said was that those words which you spoke(typed/expressed/said) and which I pointed out are 'Not true', 'Not true' and 'False' in that specific order. Then I also explained exactly why I said it. You're still wrong and with falseness. Yes us "fools", and thus you prove you're not really here to discuss anything.Β You're just one of those posters who can't do anything but reduce words to no meaning and grind all conversations to a halt.Β No reason left to speak with you. I mean no offense. I just kind of had to name you a fool because of the way you misunderstood what I wrote. So I "prove" I'm 'not really here to discuss anything' by using the word 'fools'? Is that senseful? How exactly do I 'reduce words to no meaning' by considering carefully what they mean?
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Post by π΅ on Mar 28, 2017 8:31:40 GMT
Whether or not "2+2=4" is true does depend on the mathematical system we are using. Consider a clock with three numbers on it: 0, 1, 2. Start at 0. If you add 2, you end up at 2. Add another 2, you end up at 1. Which doesn't apply to the example. If I replaced the 1 with a Z it now equals Z, but all you've done is miss the point by doing that.
I can't believe you're serious when you get distracted this badly. It's just not worth responding to. You kids have fun.
The point was just to illustrate how modular arithmetics work. You could choose whatever labels you want ( a, b, c rather than 0, 1, 2); it makes no difference. I am serious. It seems to me that you have not justified your claims very well.
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Post by Arlon10 on Mar 28, 2017 9:09:42 GMT
that the Bible is no more valuable than popular movies. You are entitled to believe that the Bible is no more valuable than popular movies. That is the issue here, whether atheists have beliefs. Of course few people who believe in a god have such silly views as yours, but you are entitled to your beliefs as much as the most uneducated people who believe in a god.
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Post by Arlon10 on Mar 28, 2017 9:25:41 GMT
What is that supposed to mean? QED. Atheists have beliefs that there is no god. Not firsthand, but I have close and trusted friends who have had remarkable experiences. It has no value to you because you are not capable of reading at that level.
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Post by FilmFlaneur on Mar 28, 2017 9:50:25 GMT
Of course few people who believe in a god have such silly views as [Arch], This last sentence is only your belief Arlon. See how it works? This is also just a matter of belief is it not? It is also an ad hominem . Genesis is not one of the hardest books in the Bible and imho shows an almost childlike quality in its myth-making. I say that after 960 years of study, writing in my wooden boat, HMS Cthulhu, ready to repopulate the earth. An observation here is that the extended structures, literature, and rituals associated with the belief in the deliberate supernatural are, arguably, a sign of patterned and ingrained credulity among those deemed "uneducated" and others, far more than any mere belief.
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Post by Arlon10 on Mar 28, 2017 10:40:48 GMT
This last sentence is only your belief Arlon. See how it works? I have always seen how it works and have never pretended mine are more than beliefs about god. In fact it is I, not any of you lately, who has cautioned against using the word "gnosis" in modern times because what an individual "knows" about god is to the rest of us only what he believes he knows. I have explained that the "general audiences" point of view deserves respect whenever they are addressed. Please do not confuse the separate issues of "god" and "intelligent designer." A god is the central focus of a religion and serves as a foundation for a systematic approach to life. An intelligent designer is a discovery by extensive research in science. Science and religion are different disciplines with different modes of decision making. Science has proved the existence of an intelligent designer. It has not attempted to extract any details about which systematic approach to life might be involved.
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Post by FilmFlaneur on Mar 28, 2017 11:06:18 GMT
This last sentence is only your belief Arlon. See how it works? I have always seen how it works No one has seen how it works, since apparently It works in mysterious ways. Everything else is just inspiration. Good then; we can both agree that you know nothing about God. This is not something I have always noticed from your replies. This is not a separation which was apparent from the mendacity exposed at the landmark Dover trial say where, in the offending textbook under examination, the creationists simply transposed from one to the other, according to how they anticipated legal difficulties. Neither did such a suggested distinction find favour with the Federal Judge, who saw such a sleight-of-hand exposed as an attempt to legitimise and make respectable essentially the same old religious agenda. But I am sure your greatly anticipated, copyrighted, pending appeal will resolve this. I can see that you have really looked into this lol. Excellent news. Presumably you can link to some peer-reviewed publications which express this proof. Otherwise we are just back to what Arlon believes again.
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Post by j2 on Mar 28, 2017 11:13:53 GMT
What is that supposed to mean? QED. Β Atheists have beliefs that there is no god. Not firsthand, but I have close and trusted friends who have had remarkable experiences. It has no value to you because you are not capable of reading at that level. Clear.
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Post by puvo on Mar 28, 2017 11:40:38 GMT
This last sentence is only your belief Arlon. See how it works? Science has proved the existence of an intelligent designer. Oh great! Can you link to the actual science done by actual scientists please. Thanks. (And no, your website isnt actual science done by actual scientists.)
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2017 11:45:51 GMT
QED. Atheists have beliefs that there is no god. That's not what he said. And not what atheism is.
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Post by fatpaul on Mar 28, 2017 12:18:45 GMT
Is there free parking space? A good church needs good parking space.
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Mar 28, 2017 13:47:32 GMT
Which doesn't apply to the example. If I replaced the 1 with a Z it now equals Z, but all you've done is miss the point by doing that.
I can't believe you're serious when you get distracted this badly. It's just not worth responding to. You kids have fun.
The point was just to illustrate how modular arithmetics work. You could choose whatever labels you want ( a, b, c rather than 0, 1, 2); it makes no difference. I am serious. It seems to me that you have not justified your claims very well. And that doesn't address the point. Again, it's not worth talking to somebody that dishonest. Enjoy
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Mar 28, 2017 13:50:19 GMT
What is that supposed to mean? QED. Atheists have beliefs that there is no god. Not firsthand, but I have close and trusted friends who have had remarkable experiences. It has no value to you because you are not capable of reading at that level. For the last time, atheism is not the belief that there is no god. When this has to be explained repeatedly, you're either a troll or an idiot, and I don't care which, it's not worth talking to you.
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Post by vernuf on Mar 28, 2017 16:16:15 GMT
Science has proved the existence of an intelligent designer. It has not attempted to extract any details about which systematic approach to life might be involved. Your pants are on fire.
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Post by π΅ on Mar 28, 2017 17:00:02 GMT
The point was just to illustrate how modular arithmetics work. You could choose whatever labels you want ( a, b, c rather than 0, 1, 2); it makes no difference. I am serious. It seems to me that you have not justified your claims very well. And that doesn't address the point. Again, it's not worth talking to somebody that dishonest. Enjoy I'm not being dishonest. Just because you disagree with, or otherwise dislike, what I'm saying, that doesn't make me dishonest. I'd prefer it if you engaged in a bit of critical thinking and tried to respond to my points, but of course you don't have to if you're not interested. Either way, there's no need to be an ass.
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Post by Cinemachinery on Mar 28, 2017 17:26:41 GMT
Lots of name-tossing here. (It's always funny to note that Stanton tries to adopt a "from an atheist point of view" stance yet continually gets torn apart by atheists.) It's never bothered me terribly that a segment of theists want to argue that non-practitioners are also part of a "religion" - the term as a metaphor is so pliable that it approaches meaninglessness. (Sports is a religion. Money is a religion. Cars. Hobbies. Etc.) If it pleases people to insist those with no religious beliefs are actually religious, it's fine.... it has no bearing on being an atheist and only serves to soothe certain parties internally. However, the dynamic itself, the eagerness with which the topic is approached, it very telling to me. Because it's certainly not the positive aspects of religion which leads the religious to stretch the metaphor this way - the notion of "atheism being a religion" is certainly presented as a pejorative, and that's from the religious themselves. It's fairly easy to see that if criticism of various religious activities or organizations wasn't valid, we wouldn't see this argued so strenuously - no one would want to share the *virtues* of religion with "atheism" - it's the negatives that drive the comparison. In a very real way, every time you see this notion argued by a theist you're seeing them condemn their own organized practice, though I doubt many think it through to that extent.
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Post by blade on Mar 28, 2017 17:46:17 GMT
I'm glad it's established that Atheism is a religion. Atheists can realize now that they are a member of something they despise.
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Post by Marv on Mar 28, 2017 18:06:29 GMT
Why are there 7 pages worth of discussion over this?
This church is satire at its finest! They sing the hyms of Queen and Stevie Wonder and cite passages from Alice in Wonderland. Maybe in 100 years the satire will be lost and the masses will take this Church as a seriously display of belief but not now! Come on!
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Post by gadreel on Mar 28, 2017 18:43:02 GMT
Notice how the satire is lost on the dribbling retard that started this thread, but then the guy barely has two brain cells to rub together.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2017 1:24:17 GMT
I'm glad it's established that Atheism is a religion. Atheists can realize now that they are a member of something they despise. Still waiting on those beliefs and practices I have to have. For some strange reason you haven't been able to name any!
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